Reply #26: The problem was there before the machines were invented

[IronLionZion]

you seem to have missed my point and still managed to do what the OP was trying to stop.

They can steal elections without the damn machines. Election fraud is the problem. The machines are just a convenient tool.

Good old fashioned ballot stuffing, voter suppression, intimidation, bribery, and even free whiskey have been used throughout history...especially in our party. I bet that has nothing to do with the overwhelming Democratic dominance of much of our country's history. It just blows that to fix the problem we have to rely on leaders who were elected with this system or we have to find new leaders who are willing to tackle the issue but still we have to somehow elect them through this corrupt system. It's not going to take 1 person, or 10 people, or even 1000 people. It will take a wave of popular demand to bring about any real change. 92% of America already supports the public's right to know how votes are counted. And congresspeople are starting to take notice on just how innaccurate their election results really are.

It's great that you are concerned about the voting machines. What are you doing about it?

2 good threads today:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1948363
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446480

Cheers,
ILZ