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173. Change tone? Change message?
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 07:36 PM by DireStrike
DU posters are hardly the public face of the party. Practically no prominent democratic figures ever talk about class warfare. The corporate media has forbidden it.

Remember Kerry's campaign? "Tax cuts for the wealthy", not "tax cuts for the rich". He wouldn't even say THAT. There is no way the D party can possibly tone down their talk about class warfare. It is already at the lowest possible setting, and it is possibly THE most important issue in America today.

Nobody stands up for the poor.
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  -Class warfare card, we must quit playing it, to win. warbustdotcom  Aug-06-06 10:57 AM   #0 
  - It's SHRUB who's playing the Cllass Warfare Card!  napi21   Aug-06-06 11:01 AM   #1 
  - true  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:05 AM   #7 
     - I do hate the rich.  gizmo1979   Aug-06-06 11:28 AM   #34 
        - 70 bil a year in tax revenue avoided by off-shore accounts, I hate'm too.  FreeStateDemocrat   Aug-06-06 07:58 PM   #126 
           - me too  unpossibles   Aug-07-06 02:51 PM   #152 
  - Hook line and sinker.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-06-06 11:01 AM   #2 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-06-06 11:06 AM   #9 
  - I worry about the recent vote to knock down the minimum wage increase  MrBenchley   Aug-06-06 11:03 AM   #3 
  - Problem with their bill is that...  w13rd0   Aug-06-06 11:06 AM   #10 
  - So fucking what?  MrBenchley   Aug-06-06 11:10 AM   #15 
  - Plenty of tip earners would have been very pissed with their pay CUT.  Cobalt Violet   Aug-06-06 03:32 PM   #107 
  - And plenty more workers have to go without a raise  MrBenchley   Aug-06-06 04:32 PM   #110 
     - I don't think low wage earners are so stupid they can't understand...  Cobalt Violet   Aug-06-06 05:24 PM   #117 
        - I don't know about that....  MrBenchley   Aug-07-06 04:58 PM   #162 
  - I wish they would spin it like that.  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-07-06 08:37 AM   #143 
  - I agree....and had it passed  MrBenchley   Aug-07-06 07:11 PM   #166 
  - Wha????  Breeze54   Aug-07-06 03:22 PM   #155 
     - Spoken like someone who's never struggled to get shoes for their kids  MrBenchley   Aug-07-06 07:12 PM   #167 
        - You missed the point!  Breeze54   Aug-07-06 09:14 PM   #179 
           - It's a hell of a waste of time  ProudDad   Aug-08-06 01:30 AM   #185 
           - I didn't miss a fucking thing....  MrBenchley   Aug-08-06 06:44 AM   #189 
  - States...  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-06-06 11:19 AM   #27 
  - Again so fucking what?  MrBenchley   Aug-06-06 11:33 AM   #36 
     - Local control...  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-06-06 11:35 AM   #38 
     - And it's worth screwing workers in 43 states  MrBenchley   Aug-06-06 11:39 AM   #42 
        - It's a national version...  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-06-06 11:48 AM   #48 
           - (Sigh) No shit, sherlock  MrBenchley   Aug-06-06 11:51 AM   #50 
              - Look, you're a Utilitarian...  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-06-06 12:01 PM   #54 
                 - Forty three is always going to be larger than seven  MrBenchley   Aug-06-06 01:33 PM   #94 
     - Awe poor Mr...Hey?  Breeze54   Aug-07-06 03:26 PM   #156 
  - Actually the problem with the bill was  TheFarseer   Aug-06-06 12:13 PM   #64 
  - It cut tipped workers' wages too  sandnsea   Aug-06-06 08:05 PM   #127 
     - How so? I haven't read the bill and I'm a tipped worker  HeeBGBz   Aug-08-06 09:06 AM   #190 
        - Ours get $7.50, minimum wage  sandnsea   Aug-08-06 11:45 AM   #193 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-06-06 11:04 AM   #4 
  - Well said.  Jamastiene   Aug-07-06 03:47 AM   #137 
  - straw man...  w13rd0   Aug-06-06 11:04 AM   #5 
  - "..us Democrats..."  havocmom   Aug-06-06 11:04 AM   #6 
  - Class warfare is a FACT and our class has been losing  Warpy   Aug-06-06 11:05 AM   #8 
  - You hit it on the head, Warpy!  dmosh42   Aug-06-06 02:14 PM   #101 
  - Yeah. And let's collect that estate tax all at once  Wiley50   Aug-07-06 08:48 PM   #178 
  - Complaints of "Class warfare" are code talk...  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-06-06 11:06 AM   #11 
  - i wanna kick your reply.  xchrom   Aug-06-06 11:15 AM   #19 
  - I can't believe this ...  kentuck   Aug-06-06 11:07 AM   #12 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-06-06 11:08 AM   #13 
  - All i'm saying is...  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:10 AM   #14 
     - "... language of hate and scorn..."?  havocmom   Aug-06-06 11:13 AM   #17 
     - Are you a moron, or a Repub, or both?  TOJ   Aug-06-06 11:14 AM   #18 
     - "hate and scorn for those who have done well!" LOL!!!  Sparkly   Aug-06-06 11:15 AM   #20 
     - Just look at some of the replies to this post  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:17 AM   #23 
        - What can you do but shake your head and laugh  MrBenchley   Aug-06-06 11:20 AM   #29 
        - Please quote one so I know what you're referring to. nt  Sparkly   Aug-06-06 11:20 AM   #30 
        - go look at  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:28 AM   #33 
           - you also took some of the quotes  OhioBlue   Aug-07-06 09:41 PM   #180 
        - LOL not the rich we are scorning  havocmom   Aug-06-06 11:56 AM   #51 
           - "It's not the rich we are scorning," Say it, havocmom! ---- lol !  Breeze54   Aug-07-06 03:39 PM   #159 
              - WTF? Working class is not poor in my book, nor stupid  havocmom   Aug-07-06 11:35 PM   #183 
     - They are not all evil.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Aug-06-06 11:20 AM   #28 
     - What language of hate and scorn.  Cobalt Violet   Aug-06-06 03:36 PM   #108 
     - they are not evil because they are rich  annabanana   Aug-07-06 05:27 AM   #140 
     - They aren't evil because they are rich  ProudDad   Aug-08-06 01:32 AM   #186 
  - Like Chris Rock said...  FredScuttle   Aug-06-06 11:11 AM   #16 
  - Like William Buffett said:  El Fuego   Aug-06-06 11:58 AM   #53 
     - Warren. And Bill Gates' dad. nt  MookieWilson   Aug-06-06 04:32 PM   #111 
        - D'oh! I meant Warren. At least I didn't say Jimmy.  El Fuego   Aug-06-06 05:16 PM   #116 
           - Then I'll say it...'Jimmy Buffett'!!! nt  MookieWilson   Aug-06-06 07:35 PM   #124 
  - This is all I mean folks....  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:15 AM   #21 
  - What's this 'we' shit?  Husb2Sparkly   Aug-06-06 11:18 AM   #25 
  - "they are rich and you aren't!"  Sparkly   Aug-06-06 11:19 AM   #26 
  - go look  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:29 AM   #35 
     - Stop saying go look and provide an actual quote  havocmom   Aug-06-06 12:03 PM   #57 
     - ummm go look at my bold updates in my post  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 12:04 PM   #58 
        - Noticed that. And you quoted me, by the way.  havocmom   Aug-06-06 12:07 PM   #61 
        - Uh, last time I checked...  FredScuttle   Aug-06-06 02:19 PM   #102 
     - Most of us aren't angry because there are rich people  union_maid   Aug-06-06 01:53 PM   #99 
  - That is a crock of shit and a total straw man argument.  Raksha   Aug-06-06 10:33 PM   #131 
  - That's exactly it. They use their wealth as leverage. nt  BullGooseLoony   Aug-07-06 12:57 AM   #134 
  - You're full of crap. Just because you say, doesn't make it so.  Dora   Aug-07-06 12:47 PM   #148 
  - the only people who say that democrats talk that way are republicans.  xchrom   Aug-06-06 11:16 AM   #22 
  - I'm unemployed, chronically ill, can't get a job OR health insurance  Pigwidgeon   Aug-06-06 11:18 AM   #24 
  - And George Soros. nt  Sparkly   Aug-06-06 11:26 AM   #32 
  - Hateful quotes from people who replied to this post!  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:26 AM   #31 
  - I seem to remember...  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-06-06 11:33 AM   #37 
  - and that preachers tone was  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:37 AM   #40 
     - Let me ask you this...  Sparkly   Aug-06-06 11:40 AM   #43 
        - Of course the GOP plays it  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:45 AM   #45 
           - so what you are saying is we gotta be "nice"...  ldf   Aug-06-06 07:52 PM   #125 
  - I don't see the first two as "hateful."  Sparkly   Aug-06-06 11:36 AM   #39 
     - Objecting to massive greed and corruption by the elites  Warren Stupidity   Aug-06-06 12:31 PM   #75 
        - no conspiracies here  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 12:56 PM   #79 
  - Welcome to DU and I agree with you...  Finder   Aug-06-06 11:37 AM   #41 
  - Is this joe lieberman?  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:41 AM   #44 
  - You, I just figured you out .......  Husb2Sparkly   Aug-06-06 11:46 AM   #46 
  - First, I think you really need to calm down  Book Lover   Aug-06-06 11:47 AM   #47 
  - you just proved my point  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 11:56 AM   #52 
     - You have not replied to a single point of mine  Book Lover   Aug-06-06 12:09 PM   #62 
     - Because it's one of the basic tenants of inequality in the USA.  ReadTomPaine   Aug-06-06 12:26 PM   #73 
  - Wrong, no one "hates" the rich.  El Fuego   Aug-06-06 11:50 AM   #49 
  - Your subject line is a false accusation.  gulliver   Aug-06-06 12:02 PM   #55 
  - zot, goober.  elehhhhna   Aug-06-06 12:03 PM   #56 
  - huh?  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 12:06 PM   #59 
     - Sorry. I get your point.  elehhhhna   Aug-06-06 12:16 PM   #69 
  - What have we gotten from the toned down DLC talk?  bronxiteforever   Aug-06-06 12:06 PM   #60 
  - there it is again  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 12:15 PM   #67 
     - You should quit reading your own emotions into it, and remember the $5.15  El Fuego   Aug-06-06 12:18 PM   #70 
     - Those are classic GOP talking points.  El Fuego   Aug-06-06 12:28 PM   #74 
     - I totally agree with your points 1,2,3. But without outrage  bronxiteforever   Aug-06-06 12:58 PM   #82 
     - there is nothing wrong with being wealthy  newspeak   Aug-07-06 03:16 PM   #154 
  - How are Dems playing the "class warfare" card, anyway? LINK??  El Fuego   Aug-06-06 12:10 PM   #63 
  - Not necessarily  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 12:21 PM   #71 
     - By "rationale," I assume you mean "proving they're not just jealous"?  El Fuego   Aug-06-06 01:04 PM   #83 
     - "to the already wealthy"  Warren Stupidity   Aug-06-06 01:06 PM   #86 
     - What exactly is the rationale for wanting to repeal it?  Warren Stupidity   Aug-06-06 01:04 PM   #84 
  - "us Democrats" "If we are going to" "every time I hear a Democrat"  Vickers   Aug-06-06 12:14 PM   #65 
  - what card should we be playing?  TheFarseer   Aug-06-06 12:15 PM   #66 
  - I don't think you're hearing what I'm saying  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 12:22 PM   #72 
     - You didn't have a constructive solution  TheFarseer   Aug-06-06 12:45 PM   #77 
     - The OP was about tone in discussing. n/t  Finder   Aug-06-06 12:55 PM   #78 
        - Outside of snarks in this discussion  Warren Stupidity   Aug-06-06 01:08 PM   #87 
        - Any thread on the estate tax or fair tax is an example of broadbrush...  Finder   Aug-06-06 01:28 PM   #92 
        - I got that, but what should we be saying instead?  TheFarseer   Aug-06-06 01:29 PM   #93 
           - The "intended audience" is an important thing to remember.  Finder   Aug-06-06 01:59 PM   #100 
     - you're not saying anything bright, new or constructive.  xchrom   Aug-06-06 01:10 PM   #88 
     - Funny, I've read all your crap here and I don't think you're saying  acmavm   Aug-06-06 09:24 PM   #129 
  - You make some good points -- thanks. nt  DeepModem Mom   Aug-06-06 12:16 PM   #68 
  - This thread makes at least ONE thing blatantly, glaringly obvious:  dicksteele   Aug-06-06 12:42 PM   #76 
  - Must everyone preach to the choir to gain "friends"? n/t  Finder   Aug-06-06 12:58 PM   #80 
  - Newbies giving advice and admonitions are obnoxious.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-06-06 01:35 PM   #95 
  - umm i haven't made one demeaning reply  warbustdotcom   Aug-06-06 12:58 PM   #81 
     - The fact that you probably believe that...  dicksteele   Aug-06-06 01:17 PM   #90 
     - Telling us we are hateful is not a "nice polite tone" n/t  MN Against Bush   Aug-06-06 04:55 PM   #114 
  - you have a typo  Cocoa   Aug-06-06 01:05 PM   #85 
  - If there were any TRUTH in his advertising, it would actually say:  dicksteele   Aug-07-06 02:20 AM   #136 
  - I think you're being sincere  OzarkDem   Aug-06-06 01:15 PM   #89 
  - you assume we are all capitalists here.  xchrom   Aug-06-06 01:19 PM   #91 
  - I hope your experience here today has been an education. n/t  iconocrastic   Aug-06-06 01:35 PM   #96 
  - we should strip the rich of all their wealth and use if for the common  leftofthedial   Aug-06-06 01:40 PM   #97 
  - Pardon my skepticism, but with that Marxist rhetoric are you  iconocrastic   Aug-06-06 03:23 PM   #105 
  - Sadly, he's not kidding....  MrBenchley   Aug-06-06 04:36 PM   #112 
     - Democrats are cowards.  leftofthedial   Aug-06-06 06:56 PM   #122 
        - That's what the Freepers say about us. Your brethern?  iconocrastic   Aug-07-06 02:58 PM   #153 
        - bite my ass  leftofthedial   Aug-07-06 03:53 PM   #160 
        - Don't let the door hit you in the ass, then  MrBenchley   Aug-07-06 05:24 PM   #163 
           - "love it or leave it" . . . hmmmmmmm  leftofthedial   Aug-07-06 07:01 PM   #164 
              - I'd be willing to bet that everywhere you go  MrBenchley   Aug-07-06 07:08 PM   #165 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-07-06 07:20 PM   #168 
                    - LOL!  MrBenchley   Aug-07-06 07:25 PM   #169 
                       - Oh that. I just didn't want you to remain perpetually surprised.  leftofthedial   Aug-07-06 07:30 PM   #170 
                          - Of course you're waiting for two or three others...  MrBenchley   Aug-07-06 07:32 PM   #172 
                             - we seem to be speaking different languages  leftofthedial   Aug-07-06 07:36 PM   #174 
                                - Hey, maybe when your two or three others show up  MrBenchley   Aug-07-06 07:40 PM   #176 
                                   - Most congressional Democrats ARE cowards  leftofthedial   Aug-07-06 08:37 PM   #177 
  - Guess I'm fucked  Pavulon   Aug-06-06 04:07 PM   #109 
  - Oh, we've got class warfare all right  union_maid   Aug-06-06 01:41 PM   #98 
  - Concern that Dems "are drifting towards outdated classwar arguments" is  oasis   Aug-06-06 02:26 PM   #103 
  - Do you really think that, lets say, Mel Gibson is going to vote for the  greyhound1966   Aug-06-06 02:26 PM   #104 
  - I have no problem with wealth. I have a problem with corrupt wealth.  ClassWarrior   Aug-06-06 03:25 PM   #106 
  - How exactly are these quotes hateful?  MN Against Bush   Aug-06-06 04:46 PM   #113 
  - You could not be more wrong..  sendero   Aug-06-06 04:57 PM   #115 
  - I do think our wording could be different  Awsi Dooger   Aug-06-06 05:30 PM   #118 
  - WE ARE LISTENING TO YOU  Pigwidgeon   Aug-06-06 05:47 PM   #119 
  - i'm gonna kick your reply.  xchrom   Aug-06-06 06:57 PM   #123 
  - "There is a class war going on and my side is winning" -Warren Buffet  Odin2005   Aug-06-06 06:05 PM   #120 
  - I don't think we have the same definition of "class warfare"  rucky   Aug-06-06 06:40 PM   #121 
  - Nah. Thanks for playing, though!  Finnfan   Aug-06-06 08:15 PM   #128 
  - I could NOT disagree more!!!  Raksha   Aug-06-06 10:18 PM   #130 
  - .  El Fuego   Aug-06-06 11:42 PM   #132 
  - the repubs have been crying about the "class warfare" bit for years, even  fishwax   Aug-07-06 12:40 AM   #133 
  - oh PLEASE  Skittles   Aug-07-06 01:23 AM   #135 
  - Ok now  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Aug-07-06 04:47 AM   #138 
  - I don't think the OP wants us to be "wussies"...but is talking...  Finder   Aug-07-06 10:41 AM   #146 
     - I have nothing against "rich" people or wealth  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Aug-07-06 11:03 PM   #181 
  - The day we quit is the day the middle class will cease to exist.  MrsGrumpy   Aug-07-06 05:21 AM   #139 
  - warbust, could I see you for just a moment?  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Aug-07-06 05:39 AM   #141 
  - Since you are telling us not to do something, I suggest we do more of it  Robbien   Aug-07-06 06:35 AM   #142 
  - I hear someone buying a rightwing lie.  izzybeans   Aug-07-06 08:42 AM   #144 
  - Perhaps a little satire will help.......  smokey nj   Aug-07-06 10:22 AM   #145 
  - The problem with the Onion  ProudDad   Aug-08-06 01:37 AM   #187 
  - Why are you lecturing us about "tone" on OUR BOARD?  Dora   Aug-07-06 11:57 AM   #147 
  - Geez, what a crock  dmesg   Aug-07-06 12:51 PM   #149 
  - The repukes vilified Kerry for being rich  blue cat   Aug-07-06 01:07 PM   #150 
  - there are two types of people this applies to  unpossibles   Aug-07-06 02:47 PM   #151 
  - WE'RE playing the "class warfare" card??  HughBeaumont   Aug-07-06 03:32 PM   #157 
  - No, we just need to show  mmonk   Aug-07-06 03:37 PM   #158 
  - Yeah, cuz if we talk about class war...  GOTV   Aug-07-06 04:38 PM   #161 
  - Look. I live on $603 a month SSI disability  Wiley50   Aug-07-06 07:31 PM   #171 
  - Change tone? Change message?  DireStrike   Aug-07-06 07:35 PM   #173 
  - there are a lot of jealous, bitter haters on this site  mopinko   Aug-07-06 07:38 PM   #175 
  - Heavens to Betsy!  JeffR   Aug-07-06 11:12 PM   #182 
  - Fuck the rich!  ProudDad   Aug-08-06 01:28 AM   #184 
  - I love these 'you guys gotta' threads .....  Trajan   Aug-08-06 02:55 AM   #188 
  - Quit playing it?  sadiesworld   Aug-08-06 10:14 AM   #191 
  - Next you'll probably tell us we're not allowed to use the guillotine.  El Fuego   Aug-08-06 10:19 AM   #192 
  - My mother loves class warfare talk.  igil   Aug-08-06 11:50 AM   #194 
  - well  SPCAworks   Aug-08-06 12:48 PM   #195 
  - What crap this is. Please stomp on my face and piss on my beaten body  leesa   Aug-08-06 01:01 PM   #196 
  - Disagree totally. Face TRUTH head-on. It IS "class warfare." Katrina was  zann725   Aug-08-06 01:03 PM   #197 
  - I'm locking this thread  proud patriot   Aug-08-06 03:55 PM   #198 
 

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