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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:11 PM
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94. No, I don't at all
I accept that your question is honest. Clark completely disagrees with that policy. You can read his book himself, below are some quotes from when he first was unofficially "briefed" on the extent of the Iraq "gateway" thinking:

"As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan I left the Pentagon that afternoon deeply concerned." Wesley Clark, page 130, Winning Modern Wars.

I moved the conversation away, for this was not something I wanted to hear, and it was not something I wanted to see moving forward, either.

I heard Clark explain that the "not wanting to hear" aspect involved him no longer having a security clearance as a retired officer. But it has been a centerpiece of Clarks frontal attack on Bush's foreign policy that Bush wants to go after States, not terrorists, and he goes on at great length, if you listen to him ,as to way that strategy is completely wrong and will result in the U.S. being less, not more safe. It is the fact that Clark can speak knowledgably and authoritatively on this subject that makes him so threatening to the Bush Administration. You do know that Clark was an early national security advisor to Dean.
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  -"Black Commentator" exposes Clark and Rangel Scott Lee  Dec-25-03 07:05 PM   #0 
  - deja vu all over again  JVS   Dec-25-03 07:06 PM   #1 
  - BC is kissing up to Jesse Jackson, Jr. - Chronology of Events  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 07:10 PM   #2 
  - what - no ad hominem for Jesse Jackson Jr. this go round?  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 07:16 PM   #5 
     - Calling BC a suck-up is an attack on JJ-Jr?  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 07:20 PM   #6 
        - No, but this old post of yours is....  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 07:37 PM   #9 
           - I never deanied that was my post...  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 07:43 PM   #10 
  - Didn't you just get locked Dearie ?  SayitAintSo   Dec-25-03 07:13 PM   #3 
  - Yes, over the implied swear word in the title. Its been changed.  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 07:15 PM   #4 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-25-03 07:32 PM   #7 
        - If peddling tripe were a lockable offense, you'd see no anti-Dean threads  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 07:35 PM   #8 
  - Cloak and Dagger? RE: Debate  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 08:28 PM   #11 
  - I ask again - why are you fearful of a public debate?  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 08:40 PM   #14 
     - And I ask you again...  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 08:47 PM   #19 
     - Why are you avoiding this in favor of hiding in a chat room?  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 08:49 PM   #21 
     - Wasting your time, Mr. Wolf... he'll dodge like he did before...  bushclipper   Dec-25-03 08:49 PM   #22 
        - yeah, I know...  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 08:54 PM   #25 
           - Suit yourself. You know where to find me if you want a debate.  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 09:11 PM   #30 
              - That's the pont: You, like them, equate "fight" with "debate."  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 09:17 PM   #33 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-25-03 09:21 PM   #36 
                    - You're here only if you are allowed to take days at a time to "invent"  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 09:25 PM   #40 
                    - No, I'm here quite often. Let me know when you're serious.  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:04 PM   #59 
                       - More "cutesy."  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 10:10 PM   #68 
                    - debates are best in sync with the message forum environment?  bushclipper   Dec-25-03 09:29 PM   #44 
                       - as opposed to wolfie's alternative - the chat room  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:05 PM   #61 
                          - Well, sure "dude" (LOL!) If it is to be done online...  bushclipper   Dec-25-03 10:08 PM   #66 
                             - Not online....see a debate is more structured  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:23 PM   #76 
                                - On the contrary...  bushclipper   Dec-25-03 10:28 PM   #81 
                                   - Wrong again.  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:42 PM   #89 
                                      - I believe it is you that is wrong...  bushclipper   Dec-25-03 10:50 PM   #91 
                                         - Nope. sorry - there's something you're forgetting  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 11:01 PM   #93 
                                            - hmmm... Scott Lee, aren't YOU forgetting something?  wyldwolf   Dec-26-03 06:01 AM   #105 
     - Frightened?  Scoopie   Dec-26-03 02:24 AM   #103 
  - Black Commentator is spot on and very politically astute  Tinoire   Dec-25-03 08:35 PM   #12 
  - So where did the Black Commentator get their info from?  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 08:37 PM   #13 
     - The conspiricy is self-fullfilling...  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 08:41 PM   #16 
     - You only see the far left and the far right extremes do this...  bushclipper   Dec-25-03 08:59 PM   #27 
        - Facts only get in the way of the model.  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 09:02 PM   #28 
           - None of this stuff would pass as scholarship in the context of academia.  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 09:07 PM   #29 
              - You're right - none of your tactics so far (hit and run) would pass  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 09:17 PM   #34 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-25-03 09:27 PM   #42 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-25-03 10:07 PM   #64 
                       - more cutesy...  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 10:14 PM   #73 
                          - I was hoping for a more spirited response  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:23 PM   #77 
                             - more cutesy...  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 10:31 PM   #84 
     - So Black Americans aren't allowed an opinion?  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 08:41 PM   #17 
     - And you didn't hear it now...  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 08:52 PM   #23 
        - You "pointed out" the obvious to insinuate that it was trivial.  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 09:13 PM   #31 
           - This is another example of your cutesy hit -and-run replies ...  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 09:21 PM   #37 
              - You attempted to trivialize the site by noting it is an opinion, no?  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 09:27 PM   #43 
                 - Why, no, no I didn't  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 09:32 PM   #47 
                    - an odd response, considering the majority of anti Dean bile  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 09:53 PM   #53 
                       - What a stretch!  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 09:59 PM   #56 
                          - Well stop being such an easy target!  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:06 PM   #63 
                             - More cutesy... and dodge, divert, and duck!  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 10:11 PM   #71 
                                - Hey, I'm not the one afraid to debate  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:25 PM   #78 
                                   - Sure you are...  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 10:33 PM   #85 
                                      - I can't get you to agree to one, so there it is. Oh well.  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:43 PM   #90 
     - From our own disbeliving eyes at the BS being peddled and bought  Tinoire   Dec-25-03 08:57 PM   #26 
  - "save the negative slime attacks for Bush in the general" You're a gem.  oasis   Dec-25-03 08:41 PM   #15 
  - thank you.  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 08:42 PM   #18 
  - Dishonest to the Core and Probably Nuts (BC Article)  Tinoire   Dec-25-03 08:47 PM   #20 
  - I've read BC's hit piece - the cycle continue.  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 08:52 PM   #24 
  - It's a "hit piece" unless it's targeted at Howard Dean  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 09:14 PM   #32 
  - Arguing like Counterpunch and BC? Hit, Run, and Hide...  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 09:18 PM   #35 
     - Is BC hiding? Last I checked, the site is still there.  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 09:23 PM   #38 
        - It's called hiding behind empty rhetoric...  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 09:30 PM   #45 
           - "Empty rhetoric" in the (rose colored?) vision of the Dean opponent  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 09:56 PM   #54 
           - Hmm, kind of like the article I linked below? n/t  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 09:58 PM   #55 
           - What empty rhetoric? They've quoted Clark himself  Tinoire   Dec-25-03 10:08 PM   #65 
              - An illogical leap - based on a tenuous rumor that Clark overhead.  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 10:15 PM   #74 
                 - The illogical leap is in your specious defense  Tinoire   Dec-25-03 11:24 PM   #97 
                    - Whoa, cut-copy-and paste...  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 11:49 PM   #101 
  - No- they're not fawning over Dean. In their own words  Tinoire   Dec-25-03 09:23 PM   #39 
  - Barbarians comment was published on 10/2/03 - Issue 58  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 09:34 PM   #48 
     - So because they reported that Jesse Jackson Jr endorsed Dean  Tinoire   Dec-25-03 10:26 PM   #79 
        - Like Katrina's version of the Pristina incident in the Nation?  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 10:35 PM   #86 
           - We're all over the place.  Tinoire   Dec-25-03 11:33 PM   #98 
              - Hmm - change the course of the topic then blame me...  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 11:38 PM   #99 
                 - If it makes you happy to call it an unsourced opinion piece  Tinoire   Dec-26-03 02:10 AM   #102 
  - I have been doing research on Clark  candy331   Dec-25-03 09:31 PM   #46 
     - It's really not Clark I have a huge problem with - its his "followers"  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:02 PM   #58 
        - Turning a blind eye?  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 10:04 PM   #60 
        - One more time, in English please?  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:08 PM   #67 
           - Does the pot calling the kettle black ring a bell? n/t  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 10:11 PM   #70 
              - Yes, but what's its relevence here?  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:27 PM   #80 
        - Josh Marshall at talkingpoints memo said it best:  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 10:06 PM   #62 
           - John Marshall has clearly not been to DU lately  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:10 PM   #69 
              - More cutesy!  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 10:12 PM   #72 
                 - Sorry then, HAS he been on DU lately?  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:29 PM   #82 
                    - Why not ask him?  wyldwolf   Dec-25-03 10:36 PM   #87 
                       - Well golly, let's see what he has to say in email.  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 10:53 PM   #92 
  - You like the title, huh?  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-25-03 09:41 PM   #50 
     - Considering the entire Bush agenda has been published since 1998  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 09:46 PM   #51 
  - Wow, this does not sound anti-war to me.  madfloridian   Dec-25-03 09:26 PM   #41 
  - Candidate Dean Is a Warmonger - And other reasons to support his campaign  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 09:38 PM   #49 
  - whoa...and Dean supporters whine about what they see in DU  windansea   Dec-25-03 09:53 PM   #52 
     - correction: Dean supporters on DU fight the slime they see on DU  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 09:59 PM   #57 
  - Here are the paragraphs that immediately preceded those quotes.  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-25-03 10:19 PM   #75 
     - An honest question, though.  madfloridian   Dec-25-03 10:30 PM   #83 
        - No, I don't at all  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-25-03 11:11 PM   #94 
           - If that were so- why did he go back to the Pentagon for more details?  Tinoire   Dec-25-03 11:43 PM   #100 
  - wow, this thread is all grown up  JVS   Dec-25-03 10:37 PM   #88 
  - Unfortunately, with a savage tet a tet between four of us  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 11:18 PM   #95 
     - I figured it was just some good natured Christmas day fun...  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 11:23 PM   #96 
  - You mean black people don't all agree on politics?  eileen_d   Dec-26-03 03:03 AM   #104 
  - I am locking this.....  Moderator   Dec-26-03 08:48 AM   #106 

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