Tom Rinaldo
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Mon Jul-31-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #97 |
| 113. Kindly point out the personal attack that you see please. Also... |
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I have a few things to say about people who, unlike Clark, actually once were Republicans First about that personal insult you claim. This is what I literally said: "Unlike our poster who talks about meeting many General Officers, Col Hackworth talks about meeting General Clark." Was it the overly aggressive use of the word "Unlike"? Do you feel the use of the phrase "our poster" is insulting? You really have me on this one. Actually I don't believe Clark ever said that he voted for the first George Bush, but what of it now, even I am wrong? In the furthest conceivable stretch Clark last voted for a Republican Presidential candidate 18 years ago, before some people who are now eligible to vote were even born. By that stretch Republicans should have never have accepted Ronald Reagan who voted for JFK and then ran for President as a Republican the first time in 1976 (he came close to getting the nomination that time, remember?) Kos that arch enemy of the Republican media today, is a literal converted Republican, as is Ariana Huffington, not a former Independent like Clark. James Webb who is running for Senate from Virginia now as a Democrat was a Republican who was Navy Chief under Reagan. Eric Massa who is running for Congress as a Democrat now in Upstate New York actually was a Republican once, and he served as Wes Clark's top aid. Eric Massa is also extremely well liked by the netroots you may have noticed. Check out the Kos netroots endorsed candidates list some time or Eric's Blog. Eric and Wes are still close friends. So that's another guy who knows Wes Clark really well who's opinion, formed from a very close personal association, you are willing to write off in favor of your own observations. OK, ad him to Jimmy Carter in that regard then. By the way who said this? "President-elect Bush inherits a nation whose citizens will be ready to assist him in the conduct of his large responsibilities." And this? "George W. Bush is my commander in chief" And this? "We are united behind our president George W. Bush, behind our country, behind the effort to seek justice not revenge, to make sure this can never, ever happen again, and to make sure that we have the strongest unity in America that we have ever had" Yes that would be Al Gore. That pesky matter of context is also dealt with in the thread, "The swiftboating of Clark has already begun..." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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| -How Many Of You Are REAL Clark Fans? |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 11:31 AM |
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He's not my first choice ... |
etherealtruth |
Jul-30-06 11:38 AM |
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I like Clark, but I don't think he would make a good President |
tridim |
Jul-30-06 11:40 AM |
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Thank You For Some Classy Replies (# 1 & 2 So Far) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 11:42 AM |
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I like the good General and think that he'd make a damn fine president! |
larissa |
Jul-30-06 11:44 AM |
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Oh No, It's Not Just You : ) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 11:47 AM |
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Not just you. Me too. |
calimary |
Aug-01-06 02:56 PM |
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He's |
The Deacon |
Jul-30-06 11:42 AM |
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# 4 Classy Too - Thanks : ) (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 11:42 AM |
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Kerry/Clark would've been better than Kerry/Whatshisname was |
MethuenProgressive |
Jul-30-06 11:47 AM |
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# 8 Classy Too - Thanks : ) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 11:51 AM |
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What? My response wasn't classy enough? |
larissa |
Jul-30-06 11:59 AM |
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Oh, Hell Yes It Was! |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 12:03 PM |
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Wes Clark is an international asset |
wiley |
Jul-30-06 03:56 PM |
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That would have been a nice ticket n/t |
politicasista |
Aug-02-06 07:16 PM |
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As a member of the Draft Clark |
Mz Pip |
Jul-30-06 11:50 AM |
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Imagine, Who'd Want To Support Someone Like That? (Sarcasm) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 11:54 AM |
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Me. |
ocelot |
Jul-30-06 11:58 AM |
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He's my first choice unless Gore runs. Gore/Clark : Dream Ticket. NT |
Benhurst |
Jul-30-06 11:59 AM |
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Hell, You're All Classy! |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 12:01 PM |
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Yeah, Gore/Clark. That's the ticket. |
graywarrior |
Jul-30-06 12:02 PM |
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That would be my choice. |
tinfoilinfor2005 |
Jul-30-06 05:29 PM |
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DREAM TICKET?? |
lisainmilo |
Aug-03-06 02:32 AM |
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Not my first choice, but he is definitely a quality choice. |
longship |
Jul-30-06 12:04 PM |
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Yet Another Classy Reply Thanks: ) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 12:13 PM |
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Clark has incredible qualities. |
longship |
Jul-30-06 12:28 PM |
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I am his biggest supporter here at DU!! |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-30-06 12:15 PM |
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Well, all the replies so far WERE classy... |
ocelot |
Jul-30-06 12:24 PM |
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Yup, That's One For The Definitely NOT Classy Crowd (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 01:16 PM |
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This is quite disquieting ... |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-30-06 04:50 PM |
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scratching the surface |
CarolNYC |
Jul-31-06 07:13 AM |
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Oh, and no offense meant |
CarolNYC |
Jul-31-06 08:44 AM |
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It's precisely because I'm a former Military Officer that I've met |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-31-06 03:50 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jul-31-06 04:10 PM |
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I refer readers to Post #62 below, regarding Col Hackworth |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-31-06 04:10 PM |
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Another personal attack, "Your Good General" would not approve |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-31-06 04:45 PM |
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Shit, you've even got the FLYER from the GOP! |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-31-06 07:33 PM |
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Kindly point out the personal attack that you see please. Also... |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-31-06 08:23 PM |
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Sure, let's talk about Acxiom, shall we? |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-31-06 08:27 PM |
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If you have the same feelings about Jack Murtha and Al Gore, then |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-30-06 12:58 PM |
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Roger That! |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-30-06 04:25 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jul-30-06 04:31 PM |
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It's kind of ironic that you have a pictue of Carter as your avatar. |
Sopianae |
Jul-30-06 08:32 PM |
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There's the difference between those who take other peoples WORD |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-31-06 05:09 PM |
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Love Clark, Love Gore, Love Feingold |
madmunchie |
Jul-30-06 12:17 PM |
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sorry, no ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Jul-30-06 12:26 PM |
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A Classy Disagreement. Thank You (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 01:19 PM |
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Even with your area(s) of disagreement WT2 |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-30-06 01:26 PM |
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I think he's a perfectly good guy |
WildEyedLiberal |
Jul-30-06 12:47 PM |
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Every leading Democrat has a cadre of people who don't like him or her |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-30-06 01:02 PM |
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That's my point |
WildEyedLiberal |
Jul-30-06 11:16 PM |
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I know that was your point, I was just showing agreement. |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-30-06 11:43 PM |
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Well, . . .O.K. (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 01:20 PM |
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I would never do that either |
politicasista |
Aug-02-06 07:18 PM |
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A great man. A full standard deviation above anyone else ... |
gulliver |
Jul-30-06 01:05 PM |
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Dinger your poll questions left no room for middle ground |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-30-06 01:07 PM |
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O.K. I See Your Point |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 01:22 PM |
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Nah, your words are always clear in their passion |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-30-06 01:31 PM |
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I couldn't vote, Tho I like the General |
mitchtv |
Jul-30-06 01:34 PM |
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Ok.. you've stumped the band mitchtv! |
larissa |
Jul-30-06 10:45 PM |
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Whaaat? |
mitchtv |
Jul-31-06 03:00 PM |
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I would vote for him |
flblu2 |
Jul-30-06 01:08 PM |
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I would give blood, sweat, tears and toil to see him elected |
Larry in KC |
Jul-30-06 01:31 PM |
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My public arena hero was Bobby Kennedy, and |
xkenx |
Jul-30-06 02:06 PM |
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I think we're very much on the same page |
Larry in KC |
Jul-30-06 04:08 PM |
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I've met Clark in person 3 times, and |
xkenx |
Jul-30-06 08:43 PM |
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I like Clark |
MATTMAN |
Jul-30-06 01:31 PM |
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I admire Clark a lot |
MrBenchley |
Jul-30-06 02:09 PM |
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Another Classy Reply - Thanks : ) (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 03:54 PM |
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Who is your first choice? |
wiley |
Jul-30-06 03:57 PM |
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Right now it's Hillary |
MrBenchley |
Jul-30-06 04:20 PM |
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I like Hillary |
xkenx |
Jul-30-06 08:49 PM |
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And the second I care what you want to know |
MrBenchley |
Jul-31-06 07:19 AM |
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I think the two would actually make a great ticket |
wiley |
Jul-30-06 11:12 PM |
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I would agree.... |
MrBenchley |
Jul-31-06 07:17 AM |
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He's #2 for consideration in 2008. |
AtomicKitten |
Jul-30-06 02:11 PM |
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Classy (Again) - Thanks! (nt) : ) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 03:55 PM |
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Gore/Clark is a slam dunk |
Sam Odom |
Jul-30-06 08:10 PM |
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I think he could be a truly great president |
union_maid |
Jul-30-06 02:19 PM |
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Clark/Feingold... |
hayu_lol |
Jul-30-06 04:11 PM |
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Clark is alright, but he's nothing special. |
Placebo |
Jul-30-06 04:08 PM |
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My first choice from those currently on the scene. |
greyhound1966 |
Jul-30-06 04:16 PM |
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100% Clarkie here. |
MrSlayer |
Jul-30-06 04:21 PM |
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As a man? Shoot, this old Army vet loves that old Army vet. |
LincolnMcGrath |
Jul-30-06 05:42 PM |
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I'm a Clark Democrat |
high density |
Jul-30-06 06:05 PM |
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I support him 100%. Always have...always will! |
Auntie Bush |
Jul-30-06 06:11 PM |
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Colonel David H. Hackworth on General Wes Clark |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-30-06 07:19 PM |
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Oh, Tom, I love this piece by Hackworth |
CarolNYC |
Jul-31-06 08:47 AM |
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No one is discrediting Clark's Military Service ... only that |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-31-06 04:49 PM |
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False again |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-31-06 07:58 PM |
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You don't want A President, you want A Hero. |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-01-06 07:19 AM |
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That came close to an insult, since you really don't know me |
Tom Rinaldo |
Aug-01-06 09:05 AM |
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That is an insult to Tom, and any supporter of Wes's, actually... |
Totally Committed |
Aug-01-06 10:21 AM |
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Clark HAS a voting record, |
xkenx |
Aug-02-06 11:07 AM |
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Me with a reservation |
Sam Odom |
Jul-30-06 07:36 PM |
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I Could Be Happy With That : ) (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 07:38 PM |
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Yea, that's a winner |
Sam Odom |
Jul-30-06 08:04 PM |
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Hell Yes |
WoodrowFan |
Jul-30-06 07:38 PM |
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I'm a Clark supporter....and to most, it goes without saying! |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-30-06 08:00 PM |
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He would be a good strong president |
MODemocrat |
Jul-30-06 08:30 PM |
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Clark was my choice in 2004 but by the time the Ohio primary |
OhGodNotAgain |
Jul-30-06 08:36 PM |
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Dream Ticket Indeed : ) |
Dinger |
Jul-30-06 09:10 PM |
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He knows what our military (strong defense) needs |
ShockediSay |
Jul-31-06 12:15 AM |
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I am a Proud Clark Democrat!! |
Tinksrival |
Jul-31-06 01:14 AM |
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Wesley Clark is amazing |
zcflint09 |
Jul-31-06 01:23 AM |
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I was a Clark fan back when... |
wyldwolf |
Jul-31-06 08:51 AM |
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Well, You Must Have Already Been Cool : ) |
Dinger |
Jul-31-06 09:45 AM |
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LOL! I was too wyldwolf.. |
larissa |
Jul-31-06 03:29 PM |
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Boy does that bring up memories and |
Auntie Bush |
Jul-31-06 08:50 PM |
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Ah, but all is not fair in love and war, not really |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-31-06 08:57 PM |
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Excellent Idea Tom |
Dinger |
Jul-31-06 09:02 PM |
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Yeh, many remember that. Thanks for the admission. |
madfloridian |
Aug-01-06 01:34 PM |
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It was ugly all the way around. I don't fondly recall those days |
Tom Rinaldo |
Aug-01-06 01:42 PM |
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You left out the rest of my quote. |
Auntie Bush |
Aug-01-06 10:05 PM |
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Always been my first choice. He was in '04 and he will be in '08. |
truebrit71 |
Jul-31-06 03:31 PM |
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Clark has been at the top of my list since I saw him as NATO commander |
DemExpat |
Jul-31-06 03:55 PM |
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I'm TOTALLY a Clark supporter! |
MyPetRock |
Jul-31-06 03:58 PM |
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I think Clark is the type of President we would need right now. |
loudsue |
Jul-31-06 04:21 PM |
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Vote no, as I did, even if you support Clark. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-31-06 04:50 PM |
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I am a die-hard Clarkie. I ran for Clark delegate in '04 and will again |
femmocrat |
Jul-31-06 05:09 PM |
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Speaking of "Marching into Battle" |
xkenx |
Jul-31-06 07:15 PM |
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Not in line for the presidency. |
Son Of Spy |
Jul-31-06 05:21 PM |
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very "blanket Indictment" of you! Me, If you want my prejudice, I don't |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-31-06 06:00 PM |
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O.K. Mods, Please Do Something |
Dinger |
Jul-31-06 06:37 PM |
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My #1 choice. n/t |
imlost |
Jul-31-06 06:57 PM |
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I am not a fan... but he's a Dem so... |
MrsGrumpy |
Jul-31-06 07:46 PM |
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Mrs. Grumpy, Thank You |
Dinger |
Jul-31-06 08:00 PM |
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I like him, but I don't like this post |
Cocoa |
Jul-31-06 07:50 PM |
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Actually we can dispense with the fantasies |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-31-06 08:00 PM |
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Besides being the most intellectually qualified person.... |
Clark_2008 |
Jul-31-06 10:15 PM |
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Aug-01-06 07:05 AM |
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Your distrust for the military is yours to own |
Tom Rinaldo |
Aug-01-06 09:17 AM |
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As a former Military Officer ... |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-01-06 09:30 AM |
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Sorry, but any rigid categorical statement about a group of people |
Tom Rinaldo |
Aug-01-06 09:48 AM |
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Aug-01-06 09:58 AM |
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My post #138 was an open non defensive reply to you |
Tom Rinaldo |
Aug-01-06 10:13 AM |
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Simple: General Officers TODAY |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-01-06 10:21 AM |
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Closing on a more positive note, just for the hell of it |
Tom Rinaldo |
Aug-01-06 10:58 AM |
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No, I'm not "a believer" |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-01-06 11:04 AM |
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And on this note, I too will agree to disagreee. Hopefully... |
Tom Rinaldo |
Aug-01-06 11:08 AM |
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Thank you. Part of me hopes that I'm proven wrong, and if so ... |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-01-06 11:11 AM |
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Yeah, it took us a while to get there, but... |
Tom Rinaldo |
Aug-01-06 11:18 AM |
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Well written ... |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-01-06 11:23 AM |
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Now that things have cooled down... |
abburdlen |
Aug-01-06 02:06 PM |
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I've cooled down, but I make my own decisions ... |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-01-06 02:13 PM |
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Don't worry |
abburdlen |
Aug-01-06 04:11 PM |
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The Duck Principle |
xkenx |
Aug-01-06 11:11 AM |
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Dude ... |
Cosmocat |
Aug-01-06 10:22 AM |
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Well said, Cosmocat.... |
DemExpat |
Aug-01-06 11:06 AM |
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Then I'll answer you both ... |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-01-06 11:08 AM |
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He is great |
KKKarl is an idiot |
Aug-01-06 09:48 AM |
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Fact is ... |
Cosmocat |
Aug-01-06 12:40 PM |
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Clark Fan and Supporter |
Crewleader |
Aug-01-06 11:30 AM |
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Love him, love him, love him!! |
ChipsAhoy |
Aug-01-06 09:05 PM |
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Had I my druthers, I would love to see DK or Bernie our president. |
nealmhughes |
Aug-01-06 09:58 PM |
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Someone above asked "What makes him different?" |
Sparkly |
Aug-01-06 10:28 PM |
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Bravo! |
Auntie Bush |
Aug-01-06 10:39 PM |
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Oooh.....good one, Sparkly! |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-02-06 02:41 AM |
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Sparkly, I Am At A Loss For Words |
Dinger |
Aug-02-06 09:30 AM |
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A post script to your wonderful post Sparkly: |
Donna Zen |
Aug-02-06 07:05 PM |
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Hey Mainer Donna... |
CarolNYC |
Aug-02-06 09:18 PM |
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Highest % of tree cover in the Union |
Donna Zen |
Aug-02-06 09:47 PM |
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Great Story Carol, Thanks : ) |
Dinger |
Aug-02-06 11:11 PM |
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I'm a 100% Kerry supporter... |
WildEyedLiberal |
Aug-02-06 11:03 PM |
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I Strongly Sujpported Kerry In The GE, And I Should Repost Pics |
Dinger |
Aug-02-06 11:15 PM |
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Cool, that would be awesome |
WildEyedLiberal |
Aug-02-06 11:52 PM |
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Absolutely! This says so much about Clark so well! |
DemExpat |
Aug-03-06 02:09 AM |
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I didn't vote in your poll because it's not that clear to me. |
karlrschneider |
Aug-02-06 07:14 PM |
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Not my first choice-- |
eridani |
Aug-03-06 08:22 PM |
#167 |