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Did Dean leave the Episcopalians over a bike path?
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Well yes and no. Here is the whole story, the part that the Boston Globe and others won't tell you.

http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/10/franke-ruta-g.html

Dean's own conversion to Congregationalism was a more mundane political affair. He'd been christened as a Catholic and was raised Episcopalian. But he converted to the local Vermont religion as a consequence of his battle to make over the shoreline. "I had a big fight with a local Episcopal church about 25 years ago over the bike path," he told This Week with George Stephanopoulos in September. "We were trying to get the bike path built. They had control of a mile and a half of railroad bed, and they decided they would pursue a property-rights suit to refuse to allow the bike path to be developed." Dean eventually talked church leaders out of the lawsuit, recalls Sharp, but other railroad neighbors refused to budge and litigated the case all the way to U.S. Supreme Court.

Here is the Boston Globe's take for comparison.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/dean/arti... /

Dean himself made a decision about religion in the early 1980s, opting to leave the local Episcopal church when it sided with landowners seeking to preserve private property in lieu of a bike path in Burlington.

"Churches are institutions that are about doing the work of God on earth, and I didn't think was very Godlike and thought it was hypocritical of me to be a member of such an institution," Dean said.

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Let's take a look at the piece of work, now shall we. The American Prospect reported accuratly what Dean's problem actually was, the fact the church was being out and out selfish. They wanted money for right of way instead of helping the common good. All the while, of course, paying not one cent in taxes.

The Boston Globe has the church siding with landowners, completely leaving out the fact that it was one. Then in the middle of a quote for some odd reason whatever Dean said was replaced by (opposing the bike path). Maybe he just used it. But even if that were the case, it had an antecedent and we have to rely on this reporter to know if she supplied the correct one. Let me be blunt here. I don't think she did. I don't think she did due to her lying in our faces in the paragraph preceding. I don't think she did due to her lying about Richard Gephardt and Joe Lieberman.

"Some of Dean's competitors have made no secret of their religious beliefs. US Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri regularly describes his son's recovery from an illness as a gift of God, while Lieberman takes pains to emphasize his inability to attend campaign events on Saturdays because of the Jewish Sabbath"

This quote is an utter lie about both of those candidates. Richard Gephardt tells the story of his son at nearly every debate and his point isn't that it is a gift from God but a gift from health insurance. And Lieberman only lets people who wish him to speak or campaign on Saturday that he won't campaign on the Sabbath.

It is plain as day why Dean left that church. That wasn't the story the reporter liked so she made one up. Next time someone tells you this bildge don't believe them.
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  -Did Dean leave the Episcopalians over a bike path? dsc  Dec-25-03 06:19 PM   #0 
  - I left the Methodist Church  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-25-03 06:45 PM   #1 
  - very interesting  mmm   Dec-25-03 06:46 PM   #3 
  - The Methodist Church is Anti-Semetic?  maddezmom   Dec-25-03 06:54 PM   #4 
     - As I said  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-25-03 07:24 PM   #8 
        - sorry you are correct  maddezmom   Dec-25-03 08:08 PM   #10 
  - in that whole article, THIS is the issue you feel needs to be discused?  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-25-03 06:46 PM   #2 
  - I'm surprised he hasn't pulled out the states rights card n/t  SahaleArm   Dec-25-03 07:04 PM   #5 
  - I was thinking "school choice" . . .  pa28   Dec-25-03 08:26 PM   #13 
  - Are you going to get "God" removed from the money too?  Scott Lee   Dec-25-03 07:07 PM   #6 
  - awwwww.......look at the cut widdle attepmt at distraction  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-25-03 07:59 PM   #9 
  - I don't think churches should be discriminated against  dsc   Dec-25-03 07:14 PM   #7 
  - Give the money directly  Jim4Wes   Dec-25-03 08:15 PM   #12 
     - To use one example  dsc   Dec-25-03 08:39 PM   #15 
  - Once again...half a quote with no link  TLM   Dec-25-03 11:56 PM   #18 
     - The Boston Globe article is the source  dsc   Dec-26-03 08:07 AM   #23 
     - here ya go....  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-26-03 08:47 AM   #24 
  - Yes he did and talked about it., BFD!  caledesi   Dec-25-03 08:10 PM   #11 
  - I have gone back to Episcopal Church often and others have from the  izzie   Dec-25-03 08:39 PM   #14 
  - kick  dsc   Dec-25-03 11:07 PM   #16 
  - The bike path has been an enormous success,  ozone_man   Dec-25-03 11:33 PM   #17 
  - It's a freakin' bike path... in Vermont.  mouse7   Dec-26-03 12:25 AM   #19 
     - He left the church because the church was selfish  dsc   Dec-26-03 08:03 AM   #22 
     - Judy Woodruff started it as wedge issue. It worked.  madfloridian   Dec-26-03 12:28 PM   #34 
  - Does it strike anyone as odd  TexasPatriot   Dec-26-03 12:47 AM   #20 
     - Did you even read my post at all?  dsc   Dec-26-03 08:02 AM   #21 
     - of course i read it  TexasPatriot   Dec-26-03 11:43 AM   #25 
        - Dean's point isn't that bike paths are good  dsc   Dec-26-03 11:45 AM   #26 
           - ok  TexasPatriot   Dec-26-03 12:15 PM   #29 
              - That is quite true  dsc   Dec-26-03 12:19 PM   #30 
     - It strikes me as odd that we are discussing  dralston   Dec-26-03 12:00 PM   #27 
     - Did you even once find this odd  dsc   Dec-26-03 12:06 PM   #28 
        - Sorry dsc.  dralston   Dec-26-03 12:25 PM   #31 
           - sorry shouldn't have jumped on you  dsc   Dec-26-03 12:27 PM   #33 
     - The media has pushed, others here have addressed it.  madfloridian   Dec-26-03 12:26 PM   #32 
 

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