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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:54 AM
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3. "I do not see how a 'progressive' party...
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 09:55 AM by Totally Committed
can have a "conservative" wing and still be an opposition to a lock-step conservative party."

And, therein, lies the HUGE conundrum threatening to kill this Party even as I write this. We truly are not a genuine "opposition" Party as long as we have the DLC as a part of it. They don't "oppose" the RNC POV.... as a matter of fact, they aid, abet, and echo it, couched, as you have said, in pseudo "progressive language". It is a cynical and depraved practice, and I feel most of our elected Democrats, whether members of the DLC or not have had their integrity co-opted by the need for re-election against them.

What is needed is for the Electoral College to be killed completely, so that the truly Liberal wing of the Democrats can break away from this DLC/DINO wing and be real Democrats again -- who elect real Democrats to represent their socially responsible left-of-center POV. This would also allow the Religious Right to break away from the RNC and split their vote down the center or worse. It would be good all around.

As it stands now, no real opposition is expressed on a consistent basis. We are a Party of diluted, weak-ass wusses. Time to get up off our knees and die on our feet, or conquer by just standing up for ourselves again!

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  -The REAL stakes. alvarezadams  Jul-26-06 09:03 AM   #0 
  - Two major points of agreement here:  Totally Committed   Jul-26-06 09:14 AM   #1 
  - What I don't understand  alvarezadams   Jul-26-06 09:41 AM   #2 
     - "I do not see how a 'progressive' party...  Totally Committed   Jul-26-06 09:54 AM   #3 
        - Kick  alvarezadams   Jul-26-06 12:45 PM   #4 
        - Crickets, eh?  alvarezadams   Jul-26-06 03:44 PM   #6 
        - And THAT makes the DLC more dangerous....  bvar22   Jul-26-06 07:55 PM   #8 
        - So when are you "progressive purists" kicking out John Murtha?  MrBenchley   Jul-27-06 06:41 AM   #18 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-06 12:54 PM   #5 
  - Greatest Page vote!  ChipsAhoy   Jul-26-06 07:28 PM   #7 
  - Bravo! There is nothing CENTER about the dlcentrist-zellocrats!  LincolnMcGrath   Jul-26-06 08:24 PM   #9 
  - I think the example of American History argues against what you advocate..  SaveElmer   Jul-26-06 09:15 PM   #10 
  - Response  alvarezadams   Jul-27-06 12:14 AM   #11 
  - Re-response...  SaveElmer   Jul-27-06 01:10 AM   #12 
     - Is your argument is that because each time The People have stood  greyhound1966   Jul-27-06 01:52 AM   #13 
     - Excellent point, and right on-target!  Totally Committed   Jul-27-06 06:08 AM   #15 
     - Unfortunately that is wrong...  SaveElmer   Jul-27-06 08:13 AM   #21 
        - No, it is not. In every instance that you name The People voted for  greyhound1966   Jul-27-06 03:57 PM   #32 
     - Not at all...  SaveElmer   Jul-27-06 08:03 AM   #19 
        - The saying does not make it so.  greyhound1966   Jul-27-06 03:58 PM   #33 
     - Continuing  alvarezadams   Jul-27-06 05:59 AM   #14 
        - Well you are right about one thing...  SaveElmer   Jul-27-06 08:09 AM   #20 
  - Well said....  MrBenchley   Jul-27-06 06:26 AM   #17 
     - Well unless I am mistaken what Alvarez is saying...  SaveElmer   Jul-27-06 08:58 AM   #22 
     - Not exactly  alvarezadams   Jul-27-06 01:59 PM   #24 
        - May I ask..  SaveElmer   Jul-27-06 02:16 PM   #25 
        - I voted for all three  alvarezadams   Jul-27-06 02:19 PM   #26 
           - So you will not vote...  SaveElmer   Jul-27-06 02:25 PM   #28 
              - Unless they disavow the DLC  alvarezadams   Jul-27-06 02:37 PM   #29 
        - You acknowledge there are Democratic Libs in Congress...  SaveElmer   Jul-27-06 02:23 PM   #27 
           - I vastly overestimate?  alvarezadams   Jul-27-06 02:48 PM   #30 
           - Absolutely you do...  SaveElmer   Jul-27-06 04:00 PM   #34 
           - BTW, SaveElmer  alvarezadams   Jul-27-06 02:57 PM   #31 
     - BETTER said  alvarezadams   Jul-27-06 10:58 AM   #23 
  - And peel away all the posturing and what we get  MrBenchley   Jul-27-06 06:21 AM   #16 
  - Locking  The Magistrate   Jul-27-06 04:54 PM   #35 

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