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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. What I see...
Is you viewing everything as unacceptable except that which is not possible. It is easy to sit there and criticize proposals for actually accomplishing something, all the while pushing ideas that have zero chance in not only this political climate, but in any.

Give me a step by step strategy for passing universal, government run health care in the United States. Tell me how you are going to swing the 50% of Congress that is fundamentally opposed to any change in the current system, to that view. If an incremental approach is just another way to appease the insurance companies...give us the political roadmap that we can realistically follow to accomplish this goal!







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  -Democratic Leadership Council unveils - The American Dream Initiative nickshepDEM  Jul-24-06 07:42 PM   #0 
  - Here's a clue  bloom   Jul-24-06 07:45 PM   #1 
  - edited.  nickshepDEM   Jul-24-06 07:46 PM   #3 
     - It needs to be edited to "Democratic LOSERSHIP Council"  loudsue   Jul-25-06 02:56 PM   #46 
        - ahahahaha  nickshepDEM   Jul-25-06 07:26 PM   #54 
  - Well intentioned  burythehatchet   Jul-24-06 07:45 PM   #2 
  - The Leftcoaster Steve Soto responds to Clinton's American Dream Initiative  flpoljunkie   Jul-24-06 07:50 PM   #4 
  - Thanks for the link... Im off to read this.  nickshepDEM   Jul-24-06 07:52 PM   #5 
  - There is nothing here about marijuana.  LoZoccolo   Jul-25-06 07:39 AM   #19 
     - "responsibility to save for a secure retirement"  LincolnMcGrath   Jul-25-06 10:12 PM   #60 
  - A solid platform with proposals that appeal to a majority of Americans  MrBenchley   Jul-24-06 08:16 PM   #6 
  - sounds like neo-con corpora-whore hocus pocus to me  wyldwolf   Jul-24-06 09:49 PM   #9 
  - LOL!  MrBenchley   Jul-25-06 07:10 AM   #18 
  - You mean Noam "Who the hell said governments have the right  eridani   Jul-26-06 04:48 AM   #63 
     - Every time the dreary old crackpot farts  MrBenchley   Jul-26-06 05:05 AM   #64 
        - Not wisdom, just plain common sense. n/t  eridani   Jul-26-06 05:55 AM   #67 
           - It's sure as shit not wisdom leaking out of Chomsky's yap  MrBenchley   Jul-26-06 05:25 PM   #72 
              - Let's have an example of something that isn't n/t  eridani   Jul-27-06 12:41 AM   #82 
                 - LOL!  MrBenchley   Jul-27-06 05:11 AM   #87 
  - The American "Bankruptcy" Initiative  unlawflcombatnt   Jul-25-06 06:37 PM   #49 
     - LOL!  wyldwolf   Jul-25-06 07:01 PM   #52 
     - Can you bankrupt an already bankrupt government? n/t  greyhound1966   Jul-27-06 01:11 AM   #83 
  - It will probably appeal to Beltway yuppies, but  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-24-06 10:55 PM   #11 
  - It will appeal to pretty much everyone  MrBenchley   Jul-25-06 07:08 AM   #17 
     - Until they figure out what it really means, like  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-06 09:00 AM   #20 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-25-06 07:34 PM   #56 
           - Socialist youth!  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-26-06 11:59 PM   #80 
              - it sounds like something Rush Limbaugh would say, doesnt it?  Dr Fate   Jul-28-06 04:11 PM   #109 
                 - Sounds more like an apt description  MrBenchley   Jul-28-06 07:32 PM   #111 
  - Universal health care  eridani   Jul-26-06 04:46 AM   #62 
  - Yeah? Let's see the proposals....  MrBenchley   Jul-26-06 05:08 AM   #65 
     - What's the point?  eridani   Jul-26-06 05:54 AM   #66 
     - I don't think the far left has ever had any point....  MrBenchley   Jul-26-06 05:26 PM   #73 
        - "Far left " =  eridani   Jul-27-06 12:40 AM   #81 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-06 05:08 AM   #86 
              - Yeah, they hate universal health care--  eridani   Jul-27-06 05:51 AM   #90 
                 - Hey, there's a reason  MrBenchley   Jul-27-06 05:59 AM   #91 
                    - Obviously because they loathe the idea of universal health care--  eridani   Jul-28-06 01:31 AM   #92 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-28-06 01:56 AM   #95 
     - Ok, I'll call your bluff  ProudDad   Jul-28-06 01:55 AM   #94 
        - So which of your heroes is proposing that?  MrBenchley   Jul-28-06 07:35 PM   #113 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-28-06 01:53 AM   #93 
  - Lots of goodies in there  creeksneakers2   Jul-24-06 08:22 PM   #7 
  - Hillary and the DLC will keep the war going, as they would PATRIOT  IndianaGreen   Jul-24-06 11:11 PM   #13 
  - Exactly-- It's the American "Fantasy" Initiative  unlawflcombatnt   Jul-25-06 06:47 PM   #51 
  - OK, 5 grand for college, total?  Solon   Jul-24-06 08:27 PM   #8 
  - Universal Healthcare for kids sounds good until...  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-06 09:31 AM   #23 
  - UC Berkeley  ProudDad   Jul-28-06 02:04 AM   #96 
  - Too verbose, too spiritless, too filled with NOTHINGNESS.  Doremus   Jul-24-06 10:19 PM   #10 
  - Hillary Clinton: 'It's the American dream, stupid'  IndianaGreen   Jul-24-06 11:09 PM   #12 
  - A conservative platform  alvarezadams   Jul-24-06 11:16 PM   #14 
  - Not really  AJH032   Jul-24-06 11:52 PM   #15 
  - You sure?  alvarezadams   Jul-25-06 04:49 AM   #16 
     - Yes, you've seen through the empty words, too  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-06 09:02 AM   #21 
        - I've been screaming about this for months if not years  alvarezadams   Jul-25-06 09:26 AM   #22 
        - Come to think of it, you're right  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-06 09:33 AM   #25 
           - I've followed  alvarezadams   Jul-25-06 10:01 AM   #29 
        - Ultimately...  alvarezadams   Jul-25-06 09:32 AM   #24 
  - A conservative "Corporatist" platform  unlawflcombatnt   Jul-25-06 06:40 PM   #50 
  - Excellent...  SaveElmer   Jul-25-06 09:49 AM   #26 
  - If "average" means "duped"  alvarezadams   Jul-25-06 09:56 AM   #27 
     - Insightful...  SaveElmer   Jul-25-06 09:58 AM   #28 
     - Scroll on up  alvarezadams   Jul-25-06 10:02 AM   #30 
        - What I see...  SaveElmer   Jul-25-06 10:12 AM   #31 
           - Step-by-step strategy for achieving universal health care?  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-06 10:33 AM   #33 
              - Actually I am a Minnesota Native....  SaveElmer   Jul-25-06 10:50 AM   #34 
              - Since nobody has actually TRIED to get this through Congress  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-06 11:14 AM   #36 
              - Why the fuck not? Where are the far left's heroes?  MrBenchley   Jul-25-06 07:35 PM   #57 
                 - Maybe I'll answer you one of these days when  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-06 10:00 PM   #59 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-06 04:01 AM   #61 
                       - I'm not going to do your googling for you  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-26-06 11:37 AM   #70 
                       - In other words, you got nothing and we both know it  MrBenchley   Jul-26-06 05:24 PM   #71 
                          - Speak for yourself  DancingBear   Jul-26-06 06:00 PM   #74 
                          - No, I'm just not going to do your googling for you  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-26-06 09:24 PM   #75 
                             - In other words, you got nothing and we both know it  MrBenchley   Jul-27-06 05:11 AM   #88 
                       - If universal health care is such a far left concept,  Telly Savalas   Jul-26-06 10:24 PM   #76 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-06 05:15 AM   #89 
                             - Mr Benchley  alvarezadams   Jul-28-06 08:48 AM   #104 
                             - Yeah, I am. I'm proud to be in the same party as the DLC  MrBenchley   Jul-28-06 07:37 PM   #114 
                             - Wanker means "dick"- this a slur and a personal attack. n/t  Dr Fate   Jul-28-06 04:58 PM   #110 
                                - LOL!  MrBenchley   Jul-28-06 07:38 PM   #115 
              - As long as you fans of the DLC  ProudDad   Jul-28-06 02:10 AM   #97 
                 - Liberal... despite  alvarezadams   Jul-28-06 04:57 AM   #103 
                 - LOL!  MrBenchley   Jul-28-06 07:33 PM   #112 
              - He has a point  alvarezadams   Jul-25-06 11:16 AM   #37 
                 - However, a REAL president could borrow a page from Reagan and  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-06 11:23 AM   #40 
                 - think big  GreenArrow   Jul-25-06 11:27 AM   #41 
                    - CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!!  ProudDad   Jul-28-06 02:15 AM   #98 
     - Or if "average" means "affluent suburban mid-management"  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-06 10:16 AM   #32 
  - "The American dream has just begun"  GreenArrow   Jul-25-06 11:04 AM   #35 
  - Tepid, timid, tired and trite  JeffR   Jul-25-06 11:19 AM   #38 
  - Where is the PDA plan?  SaveElmer   Jul-25-06 11:21 AM   #39 
  - There isn't one....  MrBenchley   Jul-25-06 07:37 PM   #58 
  - Non-DLC politicians have ideas too.  Dr Fate   Jul-26-06 11:33 PM   #78 
  - this is a good start  paulk   Jul-25-06 12:58 PM   #42 
  - Agreed: there's some good ideas, but it's not ambitious enough.  Telly Savalas   Jul-26-06 11:20 PM   #77 
  - anything for the folks who don't go to college?  ulysses   Jul-25-06 02:29 PM   #43 
  - they get the same thing as those who do go to college  GreenArrow   Jul-25-06 02:42 PM   #44 
     - truly said.  ulysses   Jul-25-06 02:44 PM   #45 
     - or  ProudDad   Jul-28-06 02:18 AM   #99 
  - Some decent proposals, some not so good.........  PaDem   Jul-25-06 03:52 PM   #47 
  - I think the universal health care for children...  nickshepDEM   Jul-25-06 07:25 PM   #53 
  - People have big problems  union_maid   Jul-25-06 07:28 PM   #55 
  - Agree, its pandering  OzarkDem   Jul-26-06 07:33 AM   #69 
  - How about these for two good issues  ProudDad   Jul-28-06 02:21 AM   #100 
  - A lot of it is good....but...not as good as I'd hoped.  union_maid   Jul-25-06 05:33 PM   #48 
  - Your health care plan is poor - red flag for pandering  OzarkDem   Jul-26-06 07:33 AM   #68 
  - I like some of it but it contradicts itself with facts  beyurslf   Jul-26-06 11:36 PM   #79 
  - I'm shocked that nobody has said this yet, but  greyhound1966   Jul-27-06 01:25 AM   #84 
  - This is a conservative agenda  ndcohn   Jul-27-06 02:18 AM   #85 
  - Don't worry too much  ProudDad   Jul-28-06 02:22 AM   #101 
  - What senseless drivel  ProudDad   Jul-28-06 02:30 AM   #102 
  - Why does the DLC isolate itself from the rest of the party and  wisteria   Jul-28-06 01:18 PM   #105 
  - Ask the Bradleys and the Olins  alvarezadams   Jul-28-06 01:22 PM   #106 
     - Oh - and its a cardinal sin  alvarezadams   Jul-28-06 01:23 PM   #107 
  - Needs minimum wage platform, protection against job outsourcing.  Czolgosz   Jul-28-06 02:32 PM   #108 
 

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