Donald Ian Rankin
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Mon Jul-24-06 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #123 |
| 142. I have done so further up the page. |
| -Simple Question: Does Israel have a right to defend itself? |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 10:34 AM |
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define "defend" |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 10:35 AM |
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exactly |
ret5hd |
Jul-23-06 10:35 AM |
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Including, but not limited to, use of force. nt |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 10:35 AM |
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How much force and where is it applied? |
democracyindanger |
Jul-23-06 10:38 AM |
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It is a simple question. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 10:39 AM |
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The problem is "it is too simple" ...war is not a simple question.. |
movonne |
Jul-23-06 11:24 AM |
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Absolutely. |
BayCityProgressive |
Jul-23-06 10:38 AM |
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When Israel kills 200+ civilians looking for the badguys? they're no |
Imagevision |
Jul-23-06 08:00 PM |
#116 |
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The question at hand is not "are they defending themselves, and only that" |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 08:02 PM |
#117 |
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How much force? |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 10:59 AM |
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If someone persists in harassing you, eventually you will be at the end of |
fuzzyball |
Jul-23-06 04:12 PM |
#84 |
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I bet you read |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 04:51 PM |
#86 |
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Actually I used to think that but then this opened my eyes... |
fuzzyball |
Jul-23-06 09:42 PM |
#124 |
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How did the British occupation of India end? |
MN Against Bush |
Jul-25-06 11:02 PM |
#176 |
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Yeah |
Debs |
Jul-24-06 03:51 PM |
#154 |
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I think it is a given that they have a right to defend themselves. |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Jul-23-06 10:47 AM |
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I think we all have a working knowledge of the general definition. I have |
MJDuncan1982 |
Jul-23-06 02:08 PM |
#38 |
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I disagree. |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 02:15 PM |
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Well it's not defensive if it's overkill. That's my point. We know what is |
MJDuncan1982 |
Jul-23-06 02:27 PM |
#44 |
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Well evidently the OP |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 02:39 PM |
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Israel Gov's definition of self-defense: slaughter innocent children |
God Almighty |
Jul-23-06 06:33 PM |
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In YOUR definition of self-defense.... |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 07:22 PM |
#110 |
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Of course they do, but that's NOT what they are doing. |
leesa |
Jul-23-06 10:39 AM |
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Push-Polling at its finest |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-24-06 05:24 PM |
#156 |
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The question is too simple..... |
panader0 |
Jul-23-06 10:40 AM |
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Agreed |
HooptieWagon |
Jul-23-06 10:48 AM |
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Actually, it's not a matter of "right' |
cali |
Jul-23-06 12:07 PM |
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I feel i am being manipulated. I can't participate in this poll. nt |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-23-06 10:43 AM |
#9 |
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Of course, but not preemptively |
WatchWhatISay |
Jul-23-06 10:47 AM |
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yep, manipulation...i won't participate either. |
NotGivingUp |
Jul-23-06 10:47 AM |
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I'm looking forward to your next polls, |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jul-23-06 10:47 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-23-06 10:51 AM |
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"The question isn't the RIGHT to defend one's self." |
LoZoccolo |
Jul-23-06 01:44 PM |
#29 |
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Ah, another one who wants to broadbrush? |
alvarezadams |
Jul-23-06 01:54 PM |
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This isn't turning one question into another question |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 01:57 PM |
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I don't believe you |
alvarezadams |
Jul-23-06 02:04 PM |
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"every country has such a right" -- okay. nt |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:05 PM |
#36 |
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Not exactly |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jul-23-06 02:03 PM |
#34 |
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Fair enough |
alvarezadams |
Jul-23-06 02:06 PM |
#37 |
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If these attacks are reprisals |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jul-23-06 02:50 PM |
#58 |
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I think that the problem... |
alvarezadams |
Jul-23-06 03:02 PM |
#67 |
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Perhaps a better link: |
alvarezadams |
Jul-23-06 03:06 PM |
#68 |
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I can't go along with lumping PNAC and the DLC |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jul-23-06 03:39 PM |
#80 |
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You'll have to just deal with it then |
alvarezadams |
Jul-24-06 10:59 AM |
#151 |
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What principle of International Law requires a state to exhaust all |
MJDuncan1982 |
Jul-23-06 02:09 PM |
#39 |
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The UN Charter |
alvarezadams |
Jul-23-06 02:41 PM |
#49 |
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I agree with the responders who call this the wrong question. |
Jim__ |
Jul-23-06 11:23 AM |
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I think it's a great question. It's a base question that must be answered |
MJDuncan1982 |
Jul-23-06 02:11 PM |
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No, we can't be allowed to set our principles first. |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-24-06 06:11 AM |
#137 |
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All nations have a right to defend themselves. |
Crunchy Frog |
Jul-23-06 11:27 AM |
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Wow |
Debs |
Jul-24-06 03:58 PM |
#155 |
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kick |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 11:53 AM |
#20 |
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Is invading another nation an act of defense? Bush says yes. |
Radical Activist |
Jul-23-06 12:12 PM |
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Itself, yes; its conquests, no. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-23-06 12:12 PM |
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Defend yes, unleash a blitzkrieg on another country....NO. |
Cascadian |
Jul-23-06 12:19 PM |
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yes and so do the Palestinians and neither has the right to harm civilians |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jul-23-06 12:54 PM |
#25 |
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In proportion to the threat |
JNelson6563 |
Jul-23-06 01:00 PM |
#26 |
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Those who voted "no" -- would you explain your point of view, please? nt |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 01:28 PM |
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If you wanted more than a "simple yes or no" |
democracyindanger |
Jul-23-06 01:43 PM |
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Interesting. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 01:46 PM |
#30 |
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What do you think the odds are |
democracyindanger |
Jul-23-06 01:52 PM |
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Well that's pretty intellectually dishonest. If you don't like the poll, |
MJDuncan1982 |
Jul-23-06 02:12 PM |
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I don't disagree |
democracyindanger |
Jul-23-06 02:31 PM |
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I wouldn't have a problem saying, "No, we should not kill babies." |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:40 PM |
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Define "baby". n/t |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 02:42 PM |
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LOL |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:48 PM |
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"Pro-lifers" say |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 02:50 PM |
#59 |
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Easy answer: No. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:58 PM |
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You HAVE to define "baby" |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 04:52 PM |
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I've defined "baby." |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 04:54 PM |
#89 |
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Ah - but you're asking people |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 04:56 PM |
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That's right. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 05:17 PM |
#93 |
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*I* understand what you're saying..... |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 05:52 PM |
#95 |
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Someplace inbetween |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 06:23 PM |
#99 |
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take a look |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 06:27 PM |
#101 |
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That's a push-poll. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 07:18 PM |
#108 |
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And that makes you a good debater. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-24-06 06:19 AM |
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No, you don't. I'm pro-choice whether it's a baby or not. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-24-06 06:18 AM |
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So you don't think women should have control of their bodies? |
democracyindanger |
Jul-23-06 02:49 PM |
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Do you think a fetus is a baby? |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jul-23-06 02:52 PM |
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You're getting into details. |
democracyindanger |
Jul-23-06 02:55 PM |
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LOL!!! |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:59 PM |
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What's funny |
democracyindanger |
Jul-23-06 03:24 PM |
#76 |
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Yeah, I'm a little slow, huh... |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 03:35 PM |
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One gets that a lot around here. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-24-06 06:06 AM |
#136 |
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I voted no because "right" implies an absolute right. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-24-06 08:15 AM |
#140 |
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As you can see, and knew already, it is not as you claimed |
bennywhale |
Jul-24-06 10:38 AM |
#147 |
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Does Iraq |
skeeters2525 |
Jul-23-06 02:18 PM |
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Okay, I'll respond.... This has been fascinating. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:32 PM |
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so have you stopped beating your wife? |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 02:41 PM |
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Do you think I asked a trick question? |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:43 PM |
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under the circumstances, yes. |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 02:47 PM |
#54 |
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That's a separate question. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:49 PM |
#56 |
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Why do you say that? |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 02:52 PM |
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Yes, that's what this thread shows. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:55 PM |
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It shouldn't be astonishing. |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 04:54 PM |
#88 |
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:) |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 05:16 PM |
#92 |
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By george - I think you're getting it! |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 05:46 PM |
#94 |
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"the methodology" -- I don't think you're getting it |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 06:07 PM |
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Probably not the best example to use for me...... |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 06:26 PM |
#100 |
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Some things need to be stated in black and white terms. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 07:16 PM |
#107 |
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You're talking to the wrong person |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 08:14 PM |
#118 |
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You still don't get it. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 08:20 PM |
#119 |
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No - YOU don't get it! |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 08:28 PM |
#120 |
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Some people just want to be right and will not "get " . . . |
Sugarcoated |
Jul-25-06 06:29 PM |
#175 |
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That's not a fair comparison |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jul-23-06 03:15 PM |
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(sigh) - - define "defend"....... |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 04:55 PM |
#90 |
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It helps when you explain your reasoning |
alvarezadams |
Jul-23-06 02:46 PM |
#53 |
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Raised eyebrows |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 02:54 PM |
#62 |
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Aw c'mon |
alvarezadams |
Jul-23-06 03:08 PM |
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My answer would be "yes." |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 03:08 PM |
#70 |
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You wouldn't have thought twice... |
alvarezadams |
Jul-23-06 03:11 PM |
#71 |
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Good grief. What have we become when |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 03:17 PM |
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Jul-23-06 03:25 PM |
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unambigious |
oberliner |
Jul-23-06 03:13 PM |
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Precisely. nt |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 03:18 PM |
#75 |
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New Question -- do the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves? n/t |
stranger81 |
Jul-23-06 03:41 PM |
#81 |
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Yes. nt |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 03:49 PM |
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Have the Israeli's instigated or started any attacks on Palestinians? |
fuzzyball |
Jul-23-06 04:16 PM |
#85 |
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I can't believe you're asking this. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-24-06 08:20 AM |
#141 |
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The real question is who STARTS the trouble first? |
fuzzyball |
Jul-24-06 10:30 AM |
#145 |
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Probably, but not certainly, not. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-24-06 10:57 AM |
#150 |
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Agree & disagree. Agree that Israeli retribution is far too disproportiona |
fuzzyball |
Jul-24-06 10:26 PM |
#157 |
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Ah, not exactly |
Debs |
Jul-25-06 06:59 AM |
#164 |
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Looks like you have better information than the MSM.....congrats! |
fuzzyball |
Jul-25-06 12:47 PM |
#170 |
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Actually I think its silly |
Debs |
Jul-25-06 05:20 PM |
#172 |
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If I were the government of Israel |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-25-06 09:43 AM |
#169 |
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My guess is Israel would basically go along with your plan IF |
fuzzyball |
Jul-25-06 12:51 PM |
#171 |
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I think you're overoptimistic. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-25-06 05:38 PM |
#173 |
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Yes I believe Israel would attack Lebbanon |
Debs |
Jul-25-06 06:55 AM |
#163 |
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Who here remembers the name |
Debs |
Jul-25-06 07:12 AM |
#167 |
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what a straw man |
stranger81 |
Jul-23-06 03:38 PM |
#79 |
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"Whether Israel ...has the right to DEFEND itself is not in question." |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 03:49 PM |
#82 |
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nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-24-06 05:41 AM |
#134 |
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When did "an eye for an eye" become "an eye for you and your kids' lives"? |
Czolgosz |
Jul-23-06 06:01 PM |
#96 |
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I didn't ask, "Is Israel defending itself, and only defending itself?" |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 06:09 PM |
#98 |
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Does an alcoholic have a |
mzteris |
Jul-23-06 06:28 PM |
#102 |
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So your answer is "yes." |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 07:25 PM |
#112 |
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I didn't respond to your poll question. But while we're chatting when did |
Czolgosz |
Jul-23-06 06:36 PM |
#104 |
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I'm neither asking that, nor debating it. See my reply above. nt |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 07:19 PM |
#109 |
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How about this one: Does Israel's right to defend itself exceed Lebanon's? |
Czolgosz |
Jul-23-06 07:25 PM |
#111 |
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No. nt |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 07:25 PM |
#113 |
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How 'bout: Does Israel have a right to attack a whole country to defend |
Czolgosz |
Jul-23-06 07:33 PM |
#114 |
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That's a debate on what constitutes defense -- a second question. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 07:37 PM |
#115 |
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But the debate you ask about is not a real debate, as your results suggest |
Czolgosz |
Jul-23-06 10:40 PM |
#125 |
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Huh? What's the "debate I ask about?" Splain, I'm slow.... nt |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 10:42 PM |
#126 |
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The question "does Israel have a right to defend itself" is a false debate |
Czolgosz |
Jul-23-06 11:09 PM |
#127 |
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I disagree. It's a real question. |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 11:20 PM |
#128 |
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You know (or should know) the 13% saying "no" are those objecting to your |
Czolgosz |
Jul-24-06 12:03 AM |
#129 |
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If every democracy has a right to defend itself |
Sparkly |
Jul-24-06 12:07 AM |
#130 |
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Do you disagree your thread is more debate about the bias of your question |
Czolgosz |
Jul-24-06 12:17 AM |
#131 |
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Yes, and isn't that amazing? |
Sparkly |
Jul-24-06 01:10 AM |
#132 |
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I voted no because it includes disproportionate force n/t |
Slaughtermeyer |
Jul-24-06 08:23 AM |
#143 |
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I think you are making assumptions |
Debs |
Jul-25-06 07:05 AM |
#165 |
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Well, Bush says he's defending USA in Iraq. Poll that |
Little Star |
Jul-23-06 06:46 PM |
#105 |
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"Does America have a right to defend itself?" |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 07:12 PM |
#106 |
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Stupid question, refuse to answer. |
guidod |
Jul-23-06 08:56 PM |
#121 |
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"Stupid question?" |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 09:31 PM |
#122 |
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It's clearly a loaded question... |
V. Kid |
Jul-24-06 04:36 AM |
#133 |
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I hope the 15% who voted "no" will come out of the closet |
Sparkly |
Jul-23-06 09:34 PM |
#123 |
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I have done so further up the page. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-24-06 08:22 AM |
#142 |
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In theory, yes. |
BullGooseLoony |
Jul-24-06 05:57 AM |
#135 |
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Not a simple question, and no simple answer. |
LWolf |
Jul-24-06 08:42 AM |
#144 |
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Stupid question which leads to the wrong place. There's lies, lies |
bennywhale |
Jul-24-06 10:35 AM |
#146 |
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Attacked First? |
cookiebird |
Jul-24-06 10:40 AM |
#148 |
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And statements from Jews that |
Debs |
Jul-25-06 07:09 AM |
#166 |
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of course. |
ulysses |
Jul-24-06 10:42 AM |
#149 |
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Why don't we make a special place for these posts so we don't have |
Sapere aude |
Jul-24-06 11:06 AM |
#152 |
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Of course Israel has a right to defend itself |
Debs |
Jul-24-06 03:48 PM |
#153 |
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Yes, every nation has the right of self-defense, however |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-24-06 10:36 PM |
#158 |
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from what? |
leftofthedial |
Jul-24-06 10:40 PM |
#159 |
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does anyone have the right to defend themselves while |
samsingh |
Jul-25-06 12:00 AM |
#160 |
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yes, Israel has a right to defend itself.... |
unkachuck |
Jul-25-06 12:45 AM |
#161 |
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of course, but that doesn't justify it's current actions |
rman |
Jul-25-06 01:16 AM |
#162 |
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Yes. Every sovereign nation has the right to defend itself. |
baldguy |
Jul-25-06 08:00 AM |
#168 |
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Yes, but not to the extent of indiscriminately bombing innocent civilians. |
Zhade |
Jul-25-06 05:54 PM |
#174 |
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