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15. Oh, you were on the cusp but decided not to be a lifer?
IMO, you're a better person for it. I served for four years active duty and then Resigned my Commission. The military is way too Authoritarian for my taste. :hi:
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  -General Clark Backs Israeli Actions in Middle East "Conflict" AtomicKitten  Jul-22-06 08:02 PM   #0 
  - There goes my vote for Clark into the Crapper ...  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:04 PM   #1 
  - hubby always said  mzteris   Jul-22-06 08:05 PM   #3 
  - Your Hubby has it, IMO, half right ...  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:09 PM   #5 
  - ?  TacticalPeek   Jul-23-06 12:57 AM   #109 
  - I agree with your husband and I am a 10 year navy vet.  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 08:25 PM   #13 
  - Oh, you were on the cusp but decided not to be a lifer?  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:29 PM   #15 
     - oh yes. 10 years of being "undercover gay' was getting sketchy  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 08:34 PM   #17 
        - I'm glad you're free ... I felt so good when my time was served.  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:38 PM   #21 
        - and same to you.  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 08:42 PM   #24 
        - General Clark supports openly gay people in the military  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 10:28 PM   #55 
           - I know that. I saw his picture on the Advocate!  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 10:59 PM   #69 
              - He said that all NATO countries  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 11:17 PM   #80 
                 - i don't feel like getting shredded by Clark supporters tonight  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 11:25 PM   #87 
                    - This is not about you  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 11:42 PM   #92 
  - Has nothing to do with Military.  xultar   Jul-22-06 09:21 PM   #40 
  - Clarke would NEVER get the Dem nomination anyway, Hillary already has it.  Phrogman   Jul-23-06 12:36 AM   #104 
  - Hillary won't get the nomination.  Cascadian   Jul-23-06 11:11 AM   #129 
  - Just you watch!  Phrogman   Jul-23-06 07:07 PM   #167 
     - Hillary nomination = Republican victory in 2008.  Cascadian   Jul-24-06 03:39 AM   #183 
  - Drop the 'e' if you're going to post about Wes Clark  48percenter   Jul-24-06 02:43 AM   #182 
  - Hillary = Defeat in '08  PatGund   Jul-26-06 04:40 AM   #221 
     - I totally agree with you on this.  Totally Committed   Jul-26-06 08:11 AM   #223 
  - Yeah...trust  Donna Zen   Jul-23-06 05:12 PM   #156 
  - All this stuff turned me into a complete pacifist and anarchist  Hardrada   Jul-22-06 08:07 PM   #4 
  - AIPAC is the strongest and richest lobbying group  femrap   Jul-22-06 11:13 PM   #77 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-23-06 02:05 AM   #113 
  - What do you mean "There goes your vote?"  larissa   Jul-22-06 08:14 PM   #7 
  - To go into detail, I was willing to vote on a ticket with him as VP  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:19 PM   #10 
  - ShortNFeiry.. no behavior monitoring!  larissa   Jul-22-06 08:44 PM   #26 
  - Thanks for the Confession ...  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:48 PM   #28 
  - What Is It With People - Are They AFRAID Of Winning With Clark???  Dinger   Jul-22-06 11:12 PM   #74 
  - So who do you think can/will go to the Pentagon?  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 10:43 PM   #59 
  - An excellent point.  krkaufman   Jul-23-06 11:48 AM   #132 
  - I'm not buying your explanation  Jai4WKC08   Jul-23-06 11:26 AM   #131 
  - Well, you can't vote for Gore or Kerry.  Clark2008   Jul-24-06 12:00 AM   #181 
  - I haven't listened  CJCRANE   Jul-24-06 05:38 AM   #184 
  - You clearly don't know much about Clark, so here's THE DUCK PRINCIPLE  xkenx   Jul-25-06 02:23 PM   #201 
  - Oops....got caught red handed!!!  fuzzyball   Jul-22-06 08:36 PM   #18 
     - Huh?  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:39 PM   #22 
  - So now Clark is a "warmonger", too? Gimme a break  mtnsnake   Jul-22-06 09:25 PM   #42 
  - General Clark hates war  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 10:36 PM   #57 
  - Same here.  lebkuchen   Jul-22-06 11:52 PM   #94 
     - Who is still on your list of options then?  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-23-06 01:34 AM   #111 
  - I usually like Clark  mzteris   Jul-22-06 08:05 PM   #2 
  - That was a dumb ass comment from Clark, Hezbollah is weaved into  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:13 PM   #6 
     - So now fundamentalist are the "good guys"  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 10:51 PM   #61 
  - Clark is right as usual.  MrSlayer   Jul-22-06 08:14 PM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-22-06 08:16 PM   #9 
  - Yeah, great schooling...  nickshepDEM   Jul-22-06 08:36 PM   #19 
  - Your source is more than lame, check out the specifics on  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:43 PM   #25 
     - The video is real, if you want to deny it  nickshepDEM   Jul-22-06 08:48 PM   #29 
     - "However, no one organization is pure evil"  wiley   Jul-23-06 07:43 PM   #170 
  - Hitler, Stalin & Mussolini all built hospitals and ran schools...so what  fuzzyball   Jul-22-06 08:40 PM   #23 
     - Ok, ask your self WHO is conducting Collective Punishment on an  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 08:46 PM   #27 
        - You would not be at the end of your patience if rockets were being fired  fuzzyball   Jul-22-06 08:53 PM   #30 
        - Attack the source not the symptom. The bottle rockets that  lastknowngood   Jul-22-06 09:10 PM   #34 
        - Oh heaven forbid I try for peace again, because MY patience has  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 09:18 PM   #39 
           - I think some people seriously need to be plunked down in  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 09:49 PM   #49 
           - I saw my brother come back from Vietnam a shell of the man he  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 09:52 PM   #50 
              - no, the operation was a failure...  theanarch   Jul-22-06 11:14 PM   #78 
           - Blame bush  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 11:20 PM   #83 
           - How did USA exercise patience after 911?  fuzzyball   Jul-23-06 11:33 PM   #179 
        - This is all bush's fault  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 10:54 PM   #63 
  - All else being equal, this would lead me to vote against Clark.  amBushed   Jul-22-06 08:21 PM   #11 
  - No political future  formactv   Jul-22-06 08:30 PM   #16 
  - exactly. he really has no choice no matter what one thinks of him.  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 08:37 PM   #20 
  - Fuckin' A.  Jim Sagle   Jul-23-06 12:44 AM   #106 
  - In fairness to Clark - these comments are choppy  karynnj   Jul-22-06 08:23 PM   #12 
  - Well, so much for my prior opinion of Clark as a grounded  joemurphy   Jul-22-06 08:28 PM   #14 
  - Well let me tell you it is slim-fuckin-pickins.  xultar   Jul-22-06 09:27 PM   #44 
  - If Wes keeps supporting Israel  DoYouEverWonder   Jul-23-06 07:16 AM   #117 
     - Ding! And I'm not a Gore fan and I'm a huge Clark fan. 'Splain to me  xultar   Jul-23-06 09:06 AM   #119 
     - They would be swiftboated  DoYouEverWonder   Jul-23-06 09:08 AM   #120 
     - Does Gore not support Israel?  WesDem   Jul-23-06 11:12 PM   #177 
  - Heh?  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 11:13 PM   #76 
  - What is Wes talking about? Isn't Israel our enemy since 1949  FrenchieCat   Jul-22-06 08:53 PM   #31 
  - Nice post. The main post is about bashing on Clark not about  imlost   Jul-22-06 09:46 PM   #47 
  - Having posted the OP I think I am the only one qualified to  AtomicKitten   Jul-22-06 09:52 PM   #51 
  - Thanks for the 2 Clark conversations  lyonn   Jul-23-06 01:15 PM   #140 
  - Well making more than 700,000 Lebanese displaced persons  whistle   Jul-22-06 09:06 PM   #32 
  - Here are other's position on Israel....  FrenchieCat   Jul-22-06 09:09 PM   #33 
  - I have a challenge.  AtomicKitten   Jul-22-06 09:11 PM   #35 
  - AK, you won't find one..............  NativeTexan   Jul-22-06 09:13 PM   #37 
  - it would be nice to hear someone talking about a ceasefire  AtomicKitten   Jul-22-06 09:17 PM   #38 
     - I agree.....I am the same way.  NativeTexan   Jul-22-06 11:20 PM   #82 
        - for some reason, the issue of war boxes Dems in  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 12:54 AM   #108 
  - That man is Dennis Kucinich! God Bless the Peacemakers  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 09:45 PM   #46 
  - hallelujah!  AtomicKitten   Jul-22-06 09:55 PM   #52 
     - You're welcome AK ... love the cutie pie purple mouse :-) eom  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 10:03 PM   #53 
     - Oddly though, DK voted "Present" and not "NO"  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-22-06 10:55 PM   #65 
        - Yep. I noticed that too. nt  chill_wind   Jul-23-06 07:14 AM   #116 
           - Dennis Kucinich did that to prove that he's unbiased ...  ShortnFiery   Jul-23-06 02:36 PM   #144 
  - UN Peace keeping force  Donna Zen   Jul-23-06 12:01 AM   #97 
  - Right, except Dennis K, not a single prominent dem is calling for cease-  fuzzyball   Jul-23-06 11:38 PM   #180 
  - I tried a similar challenge, too, & they couldn't come up with any names  mtnsnake   Jul-24-06 12:12 PM   #185 
  - Neither the Kerry or Edwards quotes are relevent to now  karynnj   Jul-22-06 09:39 PM   #45 
     - Kerry Statement on Israel 7/21/06  oberliner   Jul-22-06 10:50 PM   #60 
     - This statement was responding to the smears  karynnj   Jul-22-06 11:29 PM   #90 
        - Kerry's statement was a good one.  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-22-06 11:49 PM   #93 
        - I posted earlier that it looked as though Clark's comments  karynnj   Jul-23-06 12:26 AM   #100 
           - A thoughtful reply. Appreciated. n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-23-06 12:33 AM   #103 
              - Your comments appreciated as well  karynnj   Jul-23-06 01:44 AM   #112 
        - Senate Resolution  oberliner   Jul-23-06 12:32 AM   #102 
     - Why haven't they? Isn't this an important enough issue? n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-22-06 10:53 PM   #62 
  - Of course he does!  DYouth   Jul-22-06 09:12 PM   #36 
  - Correct......Wes Clark is not a pacifist....neither is any other elected  FrenchieCat   Jul-22-06 09:21 PM   #41 
     - Right now, he's supporting Genocide. How's that?  ShortnFiery   Jul-22-06 09:49 PM   #48 
        - Do all of the Democrats support genocide?  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 10:57 PM   #66 
        - Genocide?  oberliner   Jul-22-06 11:08 PM   #72 
  - no surprises there  MATTMAN   Jul-22-06 09:27 PM   #43 
  - Could you clarify, please? n/t  NCarolinawoman   Jul-22-06 10:29 PM   #56 
     - ok  MATTMAN   Jul-22-06 10:38 PM   #58 
        - Was Hillary a general?  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 11:24 PM   #86 
           - Are you telling me Edwards and Gore and Warner etc.  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-23-06 12:03 AM   #98 
              - They will take a position  Sparkly   Jul-23-06 07:49 PM   #171 
                 - gratuitous statement  AtomicKitten   Jul-25-06 04:12 PM   #207 
                 - I do have a position  MATTMAN   Jul-25-06 08:41 PM   #216 
                    - The opposite of Clark's position would be that Hezbollah is the cure.  dogman   Jul-25-06 09:19 PM   #218 
                    - The opposite of Clark's position  Jai4WKC08   Jul-25-06 09:37 PM   #219 
                       - My position is for a ceasefire.  MATTMAN   Jul-26-06 08:19 AM   #224 
                          - That's not the opposite of Clark's position  Jai4WKC08   Jul-26-06 11:59 AM   #226 
                             - I don't believe in military action to achieve a ceasefire.  MATTMAN   Jul-26-06 12:06 PM   #228 
  - Is this news?  dogman   Jul-22-06 10:23 PM   #54 
  - Well, General, I've been an admirer but it's adios now.  ladjf   Jul-22-06 10:54 PM   #64 
  - Adios to all Democrats who said that Israel can defend herself  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 10:59 PM   #68 
  - I doubt there will be a single DEM that is going to want to be  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 11:05 PM   #71 
     - I wasn't "singling" Clark out. The thread subject was Clark's  ladjf   Jul-22-06 11:09 PM   #73 
        - I wasn't referring to you specificially. I am not a Clark fan to  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 11:17 PM   #79 
        - Even thousands of Israelis are protesting the war. The British  ladjf   Jul-22-06 11:22 PM   #85 
        - But while you blame Clark  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 11:27 PM   #89 
        - Please don't rewrite my statement.  ladjf   Jul-23-06 10:42 PM   #174 
           - So...are you going to say goodbye to all of the other Dems?  Donna Zen   Jul-25-06 05:09 PM   #211 
              - If every single Congress person supports the Israeli destruction  ladjf   Jul-25-06 06:58 PM   #213 
        - Careful, the joooooooooos might be listening.  Jim Sagle   Jul-23-06 12:48 AM   #107 
           - "The jooooooooooos"?  Jai4WKC08   Jul-23-06 06:18 PM   #162 
  - Do you prefer the candidates who are avoiding making comments?  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-22-06 11:03 PM   #70 
     - I'm looking for a good Democrat that thinks that Israel is grossly  ladjf   Jul-22-06 11:26 PM   #88 
        - Well that's a good question, isn't it?  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-22-06 11:59 PM   #96 
  - Has Al Gore made any statements on this issue?  Crunchy Frog   Jul-22-06 10:58 PM   #67 
  - good question  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 01:06 AM   #110 
  - don't expect a response. he only comments on moot issues  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jul-24-06 09:40 PM   #194 
     - harsh words  AtomicKitten   Jul-25-06 03:19 PM   #205 
  - In General Clark's words....  Sparkly   Jul-22-06 11:13 PM   #75 
  - More of Clark's own words  Sparkly   Jul-22-06 11:20 PM   #81 
  - this administration should be streaming supplies... to help the government  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-22-06 11:39 PM   #91 
     - Pretty much puts to lie a lot of Bush/Rice rhetoric on that so-called  chill_wind   Jul-23-06 07:05 AM   #115 
     - Exactly... Has any prominent Dem said "Israel shouldn't do this?"  Sparkly   Jul-23-06 10:25 AM   #125 
        - Again Dennis Kucinich has. Indeed!  ShortnFiery   Jul-23-06 12:00 PM   #135 
           - I see a lot of commonality between Kucinich and Clark  Sparkly   Jul-23-06 12:19 PM   #137 
              - I don't see it at all ...  ShortnFiery   Jul-23-06 04:11 PM   #149 
                 - Both urge diplomacy.  Sparkly   Jul-23-06 04:45 PM   #152 
  - Ah. So Israel is 'helping' Lebanon rid itself of Hezbollah.  niallmac   Jul-22-06 11:21 PM   #84 
  - Part of the UN agreement that got Syria out  Donna Zen   Jul-22-06 11:53 PM   #95 
     - I'm having a hard time finding the full text but  niallmac   Jul-23-06 12:42 PM   #139 
  - I love the General....  dennis4868   Jul-23-06 12:19 AM   #99 
  - I refuse to idolize any one individual, most especially a Politician  ShortnFiery   Jul-23-06 12:02 PM   #136 
  - This war has convinced me that in primaries I will vote my conscience  Douglas Carpenter   Jul-23-06 12:28 AM   #101 
  - Clark RRRRRAWWWWWWXXXXXX!!!!!!!!  Jim Sagle   Jul-23-06 12:43 AM   #105 
  - The only good Arab is a dead one, right Jim?  martymar64   Jul-24-06 08:27 PM   #191 
  - A snippet of a hint of his thinking...?  sampsonblk   Jul-23-06 03:16 AM   #114 
  - I can't support Wes's position on this....  Totally Committed   Jul-23-06 08:47 AM   #118 
  - TC  WesDem   Jul-23-06 02:06 PM   #141 
  - we are in agreement  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 04:00 PM   #146 
  - I watched his 4 appearances on FAUX (up until tonights which  Gloria   Jul-23-06 10:47 PM   #176 
     - Did you read the Q & A  Donna Zen   Jul-24-06 01:07 PM   #188 
     - From Clark's 7/23 comments on Lebanon, Israel, and Iran:  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-24-06 01:11 PM   #190 
        - Yes, I've read it all. There are serious gaps here for me...  Gloria   Jul-24-06 09:08 PM   #192 
           - OK, now I'll be doing some guessing here...  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-25-06 12:30 AM   #196 
  - No surprise there. Bombing is the answer.  leesa   Jul-23-06 09:13 AM   #121 
  - YEARS ago I posted here on DU that I didn't trust Clark...  truth2power   Jul-23-06 09:44 AM   #122 
  - his endorsement for the "School of the America's" is all I needed  jonnyblitz   Jul-23-06 10:23 AM   #124 
     - Sure, why bother with the truth?  dogman   Jul-23-06 10:43 AM   #127 
     - Just as a favor  alvarezadams   Jul-23-06 11:53 AM   #134 
        - Seems the link in your link is missing.  dogman   Jul-23-06 08:37 PM   #172 
     - So what do you know about Murtha? Why not go attack him now?  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-23-06 11:07 AM   #128 
  - Then Clark is a pandering loser.  dand   Jul-23-06 10:01 AM   #123 
  - Then who will get your vote and why? Politicians who stay quiet  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-23-06 11:19 AM   #130 
     - You are right on the money Tom,  dand   Jul-23-06 12:42 PM   #138 
  - Zionism is also a cancer, but I do not advocate massive bombing of  mom cat   Jul-23-06 10:38 AM   #126 
  - Wesley Clark is a wise man....  SaveElmer   Jul-23-06 11:49 AM   #133 
  - Let's try this: Policy  Donna Zen   Jul-23-06 02:27 PM   #142 
  - and sometimes "Genocide Happens!" Move along nothing to see. eom  ShortnFiery   Jul-23-06 02:33 PM   #143 
     - Nothing to see but your indictment of one when you should be  FrenchieCat   Jul-23-06 03:33 PM   #145 
        - Stop putting words into my mouth ...  ShortnFiery   Jul-23-06 04:05 PM   #147 
        - If it is time to stop the killing  Donna Zen   Jul-23-06 05:21 PM   #157 
        - not nice  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 04:10 PM   #148 
           - I'm also guilty AK  ShortnFiery   Jul-23-06 04:16 PM   #150 
           - this thread took a bent  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 04:20 PM   #151 
           - Why aren't you "sorely disappointed"  Jai4WKC08   Jul-23-06 04:48 PM   #153 
           - you fail to grasp my point  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 04:57 PM   #154 
              - No, I understand your point  Jai4WKC08   Jul-23-06 06:10 PM   #160 
                 - You bet it's black and white --- CEASEFIRE  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 06:17 PM   #161 
                    - I have plenty of compassion  Jai4WKC08   Jul-23-06 07:13 PM   #168 
           - Two things:  Donna Zen   Jul-23-06 05:32 PM   #158 
              - oh, okay  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 05:44 PM   #159 
                 - Okay  Donna Zen   Jul-23-06 06:20 PM   #163 
                    - this is all I have to say further on this subject  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 06:29 PM   #164 
                       - You claim the last word! Very clever move.  Donna Zen   Jul-23-06 06:50 PM   #165 
                       - I know your done with comments  Donna Zen   Jul-23-06 07:29 PM   #169 
                          - the comments  AtomicKitten   Jul-23-06 11:17 PM   #178 
                             - Information  Donna Zen   Jul-24-06 12:13 PM   #186 
                                - I will reiterate  AtomicKitten   Jul-24-06 01:03 PM   #187 
                                - Well good  Donna Zen   Jul-24-06 01:11 PM   #189 
                                - Kerry never spoke about cabinet positions to my knowledge  karynnj   Jul-25-06 08:35 AM   #199 
                                   - Yes he did  Jai4WKC08   Jul-25-06 02:52 PM   #202 
                                      - I would take anything said on Imus with a grain of salt  karynnj   Jul-25-06 05:17 PM   #212 
                                         - It was also in Newsweek  Donna Zen   Jul-25-06 07:29 PM   #214 
                                         - Are you saying Kerry was lying? Or joking?  Jai4WKC08   Jul-25-06 08:36 PM   #215 
                                            - Good point  karynnj   Jul-25-06 11:19 PM   #220 
  - Ok. Wes Clark speaks for me!  wyldwolf   Jul-23-06 05:07 PM   #155 
  - You go, Wes.  robcon   Jul-23-06 07:05 PM   #166 
  - What is warmongering about the General's remarks?  nealmhughes   Jul-23-06 09:05 PM   #173 
  - As a great admirer of Kucinich...  Sparkly   Jul-23-06 10:45 PM   #175 
  - Clark is a General in the US Army  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jul-24-06 09:35 PM   #193 
  - Wrong on both counts!  dogman   Jul-24-06 09:51 PM   #195 
  - Sorry, seems like you couldn't be more wrong:  Texas_Kat   Jul-25-06 12:36 AM   #197 
  - And this......from the same Hounds "fox" review.....  FrenchieCat   Jul-25-06 01:39 AM   #198 
  - Read my post #201, THE DUCK PRINCIPLE  xkenx   Jul-25-06 02:57 PM   #203 
  - This thread has gotten long  WesDem   Jul-25-06 11:22 AM   #200 
  - Good For Him, He's Right.  RedstDem   Jul-25-06 03:11 PM   #204 
  - Oh. Well, he's wrong to do so.  Zhade   Jul-25-06 04:02 PM   #206 
  - Clark does not support "indiscriminate bombing of civilians"  Jai4WKC08   Jul-25-06 04:39 PM   #209 
     - But still he's not calling for an immediate ceasefire.  AtomicKitten   Jul-25-06 04:56 PM   #210 
        - Oh get the burr out from under your saddle  Jai4WKC08   Jul-25-06 09:08 PM   #217 
  - Yay, I agree with Gen. Clark.....  Catchawave   Jul-25-06 04:17 PM   #208 
  - If the Democratic Party nominates "The Good General"  ShortnFiery   Jul-26-06 05:38 AM   #222 
  - Hi ShortnFiery.....  Catchawave   Jul-26-06 11:22 AM   #225 
  - General Clark doesn't agree with  Donna Zen   Jul-26-06 12:42 PM   #231 
  - ?  MATTMAN   Jul-26-06 01:03 PM   #232 
  - Yes, Clark would make a fetching Sec. of Defense or State.  ShortnFiery   Jul-26-06 01:27 PM   #233 
  - Clark is NOT center-right and NOT militaristic  Jai4WKC08   Jul-26-06 12:06 PM   #227 
  - I respectfully disagree.  MATTMAN   Jul-26-06 12:08 PM   #229 
  - Clark gets it right  Snivi Yllom   Jul-26-06 12:17 PM   #230 
 

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