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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 07:37 PM
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52. Fundamentalism wasn't a Rovian creation. But he uses it to score
percentage points in elections. Israel/Palestine is also not his creation. Neither is it the neocons. Their creation was the slow war in Iraq. With no easy solution. Slow and long and painfull. In terms of hawks.. the wheat separated from the chaff (more like chaff separated from the wheat).

Are you saying Joe Lieberman is not a wedge? Cause really..Rove has a long standing pattern of targeting certain Dem leaders (of a certain narrow Texas)for flipping..and a few Dems will follow. That is his pattern. Are you saying he stopped using that pattern? Even Bill Clinton says that these issues, which Joe Lieberman cannot help but vote his soul on in a hawkish way,.. are not issues that he started or has had control over...just issues he is left to deal with.

In Assassin's Gate..the author goes into the neocon plan for remaking the middle east. Something about starting one war that leads to many other small ones.. where the radical islam lines up on one side and democracies on the other. Turning the ME black or white.

People can only handle so much. So push them all to the hilt and the group breaks apart. And Rove can pick up the pieces.

Why else would Melmann say "Today,We are all Israelis". Is that an appropriate statement? Was Israel attacked today? NOPE! When people use that statment is it not to express solidarity with a nation shocked by attack or trauma suddenly? Yes. So why three weeks in? Why now..Friday are we all Israelis? Statements like that are meant to divide. They are wedges in and of themselves.

All fun times for mystics and their patsies. While the victims on the ground cry every day, weep the loss of a loved one, suffer more and more psychological damage, and have their lives diminished one more time.

But if it makes for more power for the ones who want more power in the USA... for their narrow elite base.. it is fine and dandy and should be continually acted upon with relish and joy. Afterall - it is just another day - another war... a few more % points of the Democratic vote. What fun. They love the smell of napalm in the morning.

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  -I bet you $1500 if we could find the posters of "hate Israel" ... it would applegrove  Jul-21-06 03:31 PM   #0 
  - to say the hate "Israel"  dufrenne   Jul-21-06 03:37 PM   #1 
  - I hate all warmongers  Juniperx   Jul-21-06 03:38 PM   #3 
  - Warmongers  dufrenne   Jul-21-06 03:41 PM   #5 
  - Yes, warmongers seek war  Juniperx   Jul-21-06 04:51 PM   #34 
  - Israel is demonstrably uninterested in "everlasting peace"  stranger81   Jul-22-06 02:31 AM   #54 
  - And I said.. I'm glad the UN made statements to the effect that if you  applegrove   Jul-21-06 03:43 PM   #8 
  - so do I and I don't care who they are.  jonnyblitz   Jul-21-06 03:55 PM   #18 
     - I wish you believed too, jonnyblitz  Juniperx   Jul-21-06 04:52 PM   #36 
  - But does it exist in the numbers we see on the DU? Cause yeah there  applegrove   Jul-21-06 03:42 PM   #6 
  - Applegrove  dufrenne   Jul-21-06 03:49 PM   #13 
     - Sweetheart.. Israel is in the news.. because of policies. A concerted  applegrove   Jul-21-06 03:58 PM   #19 
        - Applegrove  dufrenne   Jul-21-06 04:00 PM   #21 
           - Point well taken on my use of language. But I never said there were  applegrove   Jul-21-06 04:51 PM   #35 
  - No one hates Israel as a people...many of us deeply dislike their policies  formernaderite   Jul-21-06 04:40 PM   #30 
  - Could Israel ever be wrong?  zanne   Jul-21-06 05:56 PM   #41 
  - Those on the left mostly hate the Israeli GOVERNMENT and its crimes.  Zhade   Jul-21-06 06:53 PM   #47 
  - Did you poll Lebanon? I'd like to see the data.  jseankil   Jul-21-06 03:38 PM   #2 
  - I'll tell you,  dufrenne   Jul-21-06 03:39 PM   #4 
  - I'm not looking for guesses, I want data, polls.  jseankil   Jul-21-06 03:42 PM   #7 
     - I'm  dufrenne   Jul-21-06 03:45 PM   #10 
        - Hezbollah's social programs are often better than the Lebanese governments  jseankil   Jul-21-06 03:50 PM   #15 
           - Certainly  dufrenne   Jul-21-06 03:55 PM   #17 
           - Let's hope Hezbollah isn't voted in as the leading party next election./nm  jseankil   Jul-21-06 03:59 PM   #20 
           - lol  dufrenne   Jul-21-06 04:01 PM   #22 
           - I agree. Lebanese were dreaming and stretching. And wanting..  applegrove   Jul-21-06 04:39 PM   #29 
           - Which is what Hizbollah wanted. Time magazine says so. They were  applegrove   Jul-21-06 04:05 PM   #24 
  - Yes it was. And that is telling. Half of Lebannon.. wanted peace so  applegrove   Jul-21-06 03:45 PM   #11 
  - Hezbollah has a minority presence in the Lebanese parliament  rman   Jul-23-06 03:43 AM   #65 
  - I think you are wrong about the Hezbollah  tocqueville   Jul-21-06 03:44 PM   #9 
  - But why the debate in Lebannon about whether or not to disband them?  applegrove   Jul-21-06 03:48 PM   #12 
  - I think that you are spot on! This has been a huge error on  Dhalgren   Jul-21-06 03:49 PM   #14 
  - I disagree completely  dufrenne   Jul-21-06 03:53 PM   #16 
  - But it is the opinion of many international observers  tocqueville   Jul-21-06 04:03 PM   #23 
     - Wishfull thinking that pro & anti Israel people will take a step back..  applegrove   Jul-21-06 04:22 PM   #25 
        - I agree completely with you on the above  tocqueville   Jul-21-06 04:35 PM   #28 
           - But we disagree on what the firecracker was. To me it was Hamas  applegrove   Jul-21-06 04:44 PM   #31 
              - Yes it was the Hamas  tocqueville   Jul-21-06 05:24 PM   #38 
  - key word: minority  rman   Jul-23-06 03:45 AM   #66 
  - I've seen plenty of very strong anti-Israel sentiment here on DU.  brmdp3123   Jul-21-06 04:32 PM   #26 
  - the anti-israel diatribes  adriennui   Jul-21-06 04:49 PM   #33 
  - I'm with you all the way.  brmdp3123   Jul-21-06 05:40 PM   #39 
  - Me, too  Josh   Jul-21-06 06:43 PM   #45 
  - thank god your orwellian view is in the minority.  jonnyblitz   Jul-22-06 05:40 AM   #57 
  - are in the minority...  Behind the Aegis   Jul-22-06 05:49 AM   #58 
     - In the US, regretablly so, but not worldwide.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jul-22-06 12:50 PM   #60 
  - I'm getting frustrated. I hear the left that I agree with on so much  CTyankee   Jul-22-06 07:12 PM   #63 
     - I feel the same way -  Josh   Jul-23-06 02:55 AM   #64 
  - Anti-Israel? Or pro-peace?  Juniperx   Jul-21-06 04:55 PM   #37 
  - Anti-Israel, as I said.  brmdp3123   Jul-21-06 05:41 PM   #40 
     - I have family in Israel  Juniperx   Jul-21-06 06:14 PM   #42 
        - Try the I/P forum  Marie26   Jul-21-06 06:29 PM   #44 
        - i could give you the names of the most virulent  adriennui   Jul-21-06 06:50 PM   #46 
           - I've been all over the I/P threads...  Juniperx   Jul-21-06 06:53 PM   #48 
           - Feel free to just link to the threads. We can find them, if they exist.  Zhade   Jul-21-06 06:55 PM   #50 
           - haha..I know I would be one of the first ones on your list.  jonnyblitz   Jul-21-06 07:12 PM   #51 
  - Anti-the-country-of-Israel, or anti-Israeli government?  Zhade   Jul-21-06 06:54 PM   #49 
     - well...  Behind the Aegis   Jul-22-06 04:20 AM   #55 
        - "Israelis aren't civilized enough to have their own country" does not, no.  Zhade   Jul-22-06 06:48 PM   #62 
  - I'm with you  bostonbabs   Jul-21-06 04:33 PM   #27 
  - Just simply that they don't see war and the ensuing destabilization  applegrove   Jul-21-06 04:45 PM   #32 
  - I seriously doubt that.  Marie26   Jul-21-06 06:26 PM   #43 
  - Fundamentalism wasn't a Rovian creation. But he uses it to score  applegrove   Jul-21-06 07:37 PM   #52 
  - Why do we have to love Israel?  Orangeone   Jul-21-06 08:03 PM   #53 
     - I don't think you do have  cali   Jul-22-06 05:03 AM   #56 
     - whoa  dionysus   Jul-22-06 10:37 AM   #59 
     - Ethnic cleansing, anyone.  mitchtv   Jul-22-06 01:12 PM   #61 
     - "hate the country" - that's just silly  rman   Jul-23-06 03:48 AM   #67 

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