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Fri Jul-21-06 07:37 PM
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| 52. Fundamentalism wasn't a Rovian creation. But he uses it to score |
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percentage points in elections. Israel/Palestine is also not his creation. Neither is it the neocons. Their creation was the slow war in Iraq. With no easy solution. Slow and long and painfull. In terms of hawks.. the wheat separated from the chaff (more like chaff separated from the wheat).
Are you saying Joe Lieberman is not a wedge? Cause really..Rove has a long standing pattern of targeting certain Dem leaders (of a certain narrow group..ie Texas)for flipping..and a few Dems will follow. That is his pattern. Are you saying he stopped using that pattern? Even Bill Clinton says that these issues, which Joe Lieberman cannot help but vote his soul on in a hawkish way,.. are not issues that he started or has had control over...just issues he is left to deal with.
In Assassin's Gate..the author goes into the neocon plan for remaking the middle east. Something about starting one war that leads to many other small ones.. where the radical islam lines up on one side and democracies on the other. Turning the ME black or white.
People can only handle so much. So push them all to the hilt and the group breaks apart. And Rove can pick up the pieces.
Why else would Melmann say "Today,We are all Israelis". Is that an appropriate statement? Was Israel attacked today? NOPE! When people use that statment is it not to express solidarity with a nation shocked by attack or trauma suddenly? Yes. So why three weeks in? Why now..Friday are we all Israelis? Statements like that are meant to divide. They are wedges in and of themselves.
All fun times for mystics and their patsies. While the victims on the ground cry every day, weep the loss of a loved one, suffer more and more psychological damage, and have their lives diminished one more time.
But if it makes for more power for the ones who want more power in the USA... for their narrow elite base.. it is fine and dandy and should be continually acted upon with relish and joy. Afterall - it is just another day - another war... a few more % points of the Democratic vote. What fun. They love the smell of napalm in the morning.
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| -I bet you $1500 if we could find the posters of "hate Israel" ... it would |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 03:31 PM |
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to say the hate "Israel" |
dufrenne |
Jul-21-06 03:37 PM |
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I hate all warmongers |
Juniperx |
Jul-21-06 03:38 PM |
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Warmongers |
dufrenne |
Jul-21-06 03:41 PM |
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Yes, warmongers seek war |
Juniperx |
Jul-21-06 04:51 PM |
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Israel is demonstrably uninterested in "everlasting peace" |
stranger81 |
Jul-22-06 02:31 AM |
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And I said.. I'm glad the UN made statements to the effect that if you |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 03:43 PM |
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so do I and I don't care who they are. |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-21-06 03:55 PM |
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I wish you believed too, jonnyblitz |
Juniperx |
Jul-21-06 04:52 PM |
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But does it exist in the numbers we see on the DU? Cause yeah there |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 03:42 PM |
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Applegrove |
dufrenne |
Jul-21-06 03:49 PM |
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Sweetheart.. Israel is in the news.. because of policies. A concerted |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 03:58 PM |
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Applegrove |
dufrenne |
Jul-21-06 04:00 PM |
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Point well taken on my use of language. But I never said there were |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 04:51 PM |
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No one hates Israel as a people...many of us deeply dislike their policies |
formernaderite |
Jul-21-06 04:40 PM |
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Could Israel ever be wrong? |
zanne |
Jul-21-06 05:56 PM |
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Those on the left mostly hate the Israeli GOVERNMENT and its crimes. |
Zhade |
Jul-21-06 06:53 PM |
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Did you poll Lebanon? I'd like to see the data. |
jseankil |
Jul-21-06 03:38 PM |
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I'll tell you, |
dufrenne |
Jul-21-06 03:39 PM |
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I'm not looking for guesses, I want data, polls. |
jseankil |
Jul-21-06 03:42 PM |
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I'm |
dufrenne |
Jul-21-06 03:45 PM |
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Hezbollah's social programs are often better than the Lebanese governments |
jseankil |
Jul-21-06 03:50 PM |
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Certainly |
dufrenne |
Jul-21-06 03:55 PM |
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Let's hope Hezbollah isn't voted in as the leading party next election./nm |
jseankil |
Jul-21-06 03:59 PM |
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lol |
dufrenne |
Jul-21-06 04:01 PM |
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I agree. Lebanese were dreaming and stretching. And wanting.. |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 04:39 PM |
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Which is what Hizbollah wanted. Time magazine says so. They were |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 04:05 PM |
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Yes it was. And that is telling. Half of Lebannon.. wanted peace so |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 03:45 PM |
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Hezbollah has a minority presence in the Lebanese parliament |
rman |
Jul-23-06 03:43 AM |
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I think you are wrong about the Hezbollah |
tocqueville |
Jul-21-06 03:44 PM |
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But why the debate in Lebannon about whether or not to disband them? |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 03:48 PM |
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I think that you are spot on! This has been a huge error on |
Dhalgren |
Jul-21-06 03:49 PM |
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I disagree completely |
dufrenne |
Jul-21-06 03:53 PM |
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But it is the opinion of many international observers |
tocqueville |
Jul-21-06 04:03 PM |
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Wishfull thinking that pro & anti Israel people will take a step back.. |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 04:22 PM |
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I agree completely with you on the above |
tocqueville |
Jul-21-06 04:35 PM |
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But we disagree on what the firecracker was. To me it was Hamas |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 04:44 PM |
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Yes it was the Hamas |
tocqueville |
Jul-21-06 05:24 PM |
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key word: minority |
rman |
Jul-23-06 03:45 AM |
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I've seen plenty of very strong anti-Israel sentiment here on DU. |
brmdp3123 |
Jul-21-06 04:32 PM |
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the anti-israel diatribes |
adriennui |
Jul-21-06 04:49 PM |
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I'm with you all the way. |
brmdp3123 |
Jul-21-06 05:40 PM |
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Me, too |
Josh |
Jul-21-06 06:43 PM |
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thank god your orwellian view is in the minority. |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-22-06 05:40 AM |
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actually....you are in the minority... |
Behind the Aegis |
Jul-22-06 05:49 AM |
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In the US, regretablly so, but not worldwide. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-22-06 12:50 PM |
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I'm getting frustrated. I hear the left that I agree with on so much |
CTyankee |
Jul-22-06 07:12 PM |
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I feel the same way - |
Josh |
Jul-23-06 02:55 AM |
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Anti-Israel? Or pro-peace? |
Juniperx |
Jul-21-06 04:55 PM |
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Anti-Israel, as I said. |
brmdp3123 |
Jul-21-06 05:41 PM |
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I have family in Israel |
Juniperx |
Jul-21-06 06:14 PM |
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Try the I/P forum |
Marie26 |
Jul-21-06 06:29 PM |
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i could give you the names of the most virulent |
adriennui |
Jul-21-06 06:50 PM |
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I've been all over the I/P threads... |
Juniperx |
Jul-21-06 06:53 PM |
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Feel free to just link to the threads. We can find them, if they exist. |
Zhade |
Jul-21-06 06:55 PM |
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haha..I know I would be one of the first ones on your list. |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-21-06 07:12 PM |
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Anti-the-country-of-Israel, or anti-Israeli government? |
Zhade |
Jul-21-06 06:54 PM |
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well... |
Behind the Aegis |
Jul-22-06 04:20 AM |
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"Israelis aren't civilized enough to have their own country" does not, no. |
Zhade |
Jul-22-06 06:48 PM |
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I'm with you |
bostonbabs |
Jul-21-06 04:33 PM |
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Just simply that they don't see war and the ensuing destabilization |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 04:45 PM |
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I seriously doubt that. |
Marie26 |
Jul-21-06 06:26 PM |
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Fundamentalism wasn't a Rovian creation. But he uses it to score |
applegrove |
Jul-21-06 07:37 PM |
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Why do we have to love Israel? |
Orangeone |
Jul-21-06 08:03 PM |
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I don't think you do have |
cali |
Jul-22-06 05:03 AM |
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whoa |
dionysus |
Jul-22-06 10:37 AM |
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Ethnic cleansing, anyone. |
mitchtv |
Jul-22-06 01:12 PM |
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"hate the country" - that's just silly |
rman |
Jul-23-06 03:48 AM |
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