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Thu Feb-05-04 06:50 AM
Response to Reply #46 |
| 50. You quoted Clark's weaker answer |
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Edited on Thu Feb-05-04 07:17 AM by HFishbine
The previous question and answer from the same interview provides a clearer distinction between Clark and Kerry:
MR. RUSSERT: Would you support gay marriages?
GEN. CLARK: I support equal rights, and what that means is if people want to enter into a contract where they have the right to visitation in a hospital, just as though they were family, they should have that right. If they want the rights of survivorship, they should have that right. If they want the right to put their partner on an insurance policy, they should have that right. And whether that's called marriage or not is really--that's up to the church or synagogue or mosque and the states. But equal rights in America is a requirement; that's what we stand for as a nation, and that's what I support. ----------
If I'm interpreting this right, I find it very much in line with my views: marriage is a religious matter. Providing equal protection under the law is a fundemental obligation of those sworn to uphold the Constitution.
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| -I am disappointed. John Kerry is not my friend :( |
Brian_Expat |
Feb-05-04 03:03 AM |
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Don't worry, when the polls show gay people are mad |
Mobius |
Feb-05-04 03:04 AM |
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Gay activist leaders are WITH Kerry on this it seems: |
blm |
Feb-05-04 11:03 AM |
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"Gay leaders" |
Brian_Expat |
Feb-05-04 12:17 PM |
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No one elected these gay "leaders" |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 12:20 PM |
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Funny when I brought up this precise same point |
dsc |
Feb-05-04 03:17 PM |
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"Kerry's attempted straddle of the issue" John Kerry, the great STRADDLER |
mzmolly |
Feb-05-04 04:47 PM |
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like ive been sayin kerry isnt the real deal but the Raw Deal |
corporatewhore |
Feb-05-04 03:07 AM |
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I totally hear what you are saying. |
Mobius |
Feb-05-04 03:09 AM |
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He'll say anything |
creativelcro |
Feb-05-04 08:30 AM |
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He's wrong to oppose gay marriage |
lcordero |
Feb-05-04 03:08 AM |
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A Kerry gaffe in the making???? |
Mobius |
Feb-05-04 03:10 AM |
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I Agree! |
Jawja |
Feb-05-04 06:38 AM |
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Are homosexual couples more serious about their relationships? |
LeahMira |
Feb-05-04 10:34 AM |
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dude, you are OUT THERE! |
MaddogTerp |
Feb-05-04 10:31 AM |
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I'm afraid we all will have to get used to it! |
AnnitaR |
Feb-05-04 03:12 AM |
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Exactly, of all the Dems, he was only ahead of Joe |
LosinIt |
Feb-05-04 03:53 AM |
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BUT, he is also not your enemy. |
benburch |
Feb-05-04 03:13 AM |
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I disagree. Its huge if in nothing but symbolism. He agrees that there is |
roguevalley |
Feb-05-04 04:12 AM |
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If I'm correct |
dusty64 |
Feb-05-04 07:19 AM |
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Sorry, but that's not true |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 12:10 PM |
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Hmmmm.How about some of those so-called "leaders" |
revcarol |
Feb-05-04 03:29 PM |
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It's all back scratching, it seems. |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 04:36 PM |
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Isn't it hypocritical of you to bash him when you're a Dean-supporter? |
Bombtrack |
Feb-05-04 03:15 AM |
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Dean makes it clear that civil unions are synonymous with... |
joshcryer |
Feb-05-04 03:53 AM |
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Isn't it hypocritical of you to bash him when you're a Dean-supporter? |
Bombtrack |
Feb-05-04 03:16 AM |
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civil unions can lose the election |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 03:22 AM |
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would you say the same thing if the issue was marriage between a black and |
corporatewhore |
Feb-05-04 03:25 AM |
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No, it really isn't |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 03:33 AM |
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I beg to differ |
corporatewhore |
Feb-05-04 03:41 AM |
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It's not the same |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 03:54 AM |
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"its own cultural foundation" CAN KISS MY QUEER BROWN ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
corporatewhore |
Feb-05-04 03:56 AM |
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Other people have rights too |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 09:47 AM |
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I'm not gay |
OhioStateProgressive |
Feb-05-04 10:49 AM |
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Other people disagree |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 10:54 AM |
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the court ruled civil unions are NOT equal |
OhioStateProgressive |
Feb-05-04 11:04 AM |
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Aaah, |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 11:50 AM |
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other peoples opinions |
OhioStateProgressive |
Feb-05-04 12:09 PM |
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38 states |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 04:31 PM |
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Backing Civil Unions is bigotry |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 12:12 PM |
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Have nothing then |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 12:15 PM |
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the same attitude is why it took america 100 years to end slavery |
OhioStateProgressive |
Feb-05-04 12:17 PM |
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So what? So what if it is between men and women? Who cares? Its about |
roguevalley |
Feb-05-04 04:14 AM |
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Ditto |
corporatewhore |
Feb-05-04 05:00 AM |
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Civil Unions |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 09:34 AM |
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spoken as one who gets to marry who you want |
dsc |
Feb-05-04 05:56 AM |
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It sounds like the typical hetero condescension |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 06:18 AM |
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Spoken as one |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 09:37 AM |
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You cannot have justice with civil unions |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 12:19 PM |
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It's not the same |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 04:33 PM |
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You must have missed this post. |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 04:37 PM |
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Why should Christians tell gay Jews that they cannot marry? |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 12:24 PM |
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nice of you to tellus how we should be progressing |
corporatewhore |
Feb-05-04 01:01 PM |
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Reality is reality |
sandnsea |
Feb-05-04 04:35 PM |
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So could not voting for the war |
quaker bill |
Feb-05-04 03:55 AM |
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THANK YOU!!!! |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 12:21 PM |
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Who is SJC and why did you put his words in Kerry's mouth? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Feb-05-04 03:22 AM |
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Why don't you try reading the article? |
parasim |
Feb-05-04 03:34 AM |
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The link wouldn't work for me, it timed out. If you are done insulting me |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Feb-05-04 03:44 AM |
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Supreme Judicial Court (of MA) |
maddezmom |
Feb-05-04 04:02 AM |
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I apologize for insulting you... |
parasim |
Feb-05-04 12:34 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-05-04 03:28 AM |
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You are wasting your time. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Feb-05-04 03:46 AM |
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Thank You |
emanymton |
Feb-05-04 04:04 AM |
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That thoughtful comment got deleted for some odd reason |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 12:22 PM |
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Gay marriage is a good future goal, Gays should support Kerry |
Chicago Democrat |
Feb-05-04 04:10 AM |
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Gays should boycott the election if Kerry is the nominee! |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 05:02 AM |
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Welcome to DU! |
aldian159 |
Feb-05-04 05:22 AM |
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Why don't we call for a total ban on abortions? |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 05:37 AM |
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oh totally if i dont need my civil rights because i am queer i certainly |
corporatewhore |
Feb-05-04 05:53 AM |
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"We should all applaud the wisdom of the court..." |
HFishbine |
Feb-05-04 06:38 AM |
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Kerry doesn't believe in equality before the law |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 04:35 AM |
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This is part of my problem with Kerry |
dsc |
Feb-05-04 05:51 AM |
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Dean has also explicitly said that civil unions afford all the same... |
joshcryer |
Feb-05-04 06:19 AM |
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The Dean distinction |
HFishbine |
Feb-05-04 06:43 AM |
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He honors marriage |
dogman |
Feb-05-04 06:01 AM |
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I cant believe people are defending Kerry on this |
corporatewhore |
Feb-05-04 06:14 AM |
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You'll notice |
HFishbine |
Feb-05-04 06:45 AM |
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Typical middle road politician |
CWebster |
Feb-05-04 06:22 AM |
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This siphoning off of energy is the precise function of the Dem Party... |
RichM |
Feb-05-04 09:21 AM |
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Typical Kerry Pandering |
RetroLounge |
Feb-05-04 06:25 AM |
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Compare Kerry to the Socialist position on GLBT rights |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 06:32 AM |
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If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao... |
Chicago Democrat |
Feb-05-04 03:18 PM |
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"Politics is about compromise" |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 03:31 PM |
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Dems Lost the South since 1964, Wanna loose the whole nation? |
Chicago Democrat |
Feb-05-04 04:15 PM |
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Clark agrees with the Mass court decision - consistent position: |
robbedvoter |
Feb-05-04 06:39 AM |
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Wes Clark is a true liberal unlike that Kerry "Phoney Deal" |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 06:48 AM |
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Oh for crying out loud, Kerry has a lengthy history of liberal votes |
LuminousX |
Feb-05-04 09:04 AM |
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Wes Clark Has Consistently Surprised Me, Too. |
David Zephyr |
Feb-05-04 10:48 AM |
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You quoted Clark's weaker answer |
HFishbine |
Feb-05-04 06:50 AM |
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But it's not a religious matter. Federal benefits from marriage |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 12:31 PM |
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That's where the federal government comes in |
HFishbine |
Feb-05-04 03:28 PM |
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Edited |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 04:40 PM |
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Thanks, Robbedvoter For Posting This. |
David Zephyr |
Feb-05-04 10:45 AM |
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This is an easy out |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 12:28 PM |
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Kerry has the same stance as Dean & Edwards |
Killarney |
Feb-05-04 07:13 AM |
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Maybe we're just dumb. |
HFishbine |
Feb-05-04 07:18 AM |
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I am saying Kucinich is better |
corporatewhore |
Feb-05-04 07:22 AM |
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Dean was in front on this issue |
dansolo |
Feb-05-04 08:30 AM |
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Wrong. Noone has stepped forward more on gay issues than Kerry. |
blm |
Feb-05-04 08:43 AM |
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Dean has never said he's AGAINST gay marriage |
soleft |
Feb-05-04 09:17 AM |
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Dean's position is not "against" gay marriage... |
Caliphoto |
Feb-05-04 10:52 AM |
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It figures. |
bitchkitty |
Feb-05-04 08:30 AM |
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Kerry has never been for gay marriage mainly because of the religio/civil |
blm |
Feb-05-04 08:40 AM |
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he might be your friend if you belonged to AIG |
Snivi Yllom |
Feb-05-04 08:49 AM |
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Grrrrrr |
bicentennial_baby |
Feb-05-04 09:05 AM |
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I belong to AIG and he's not my friend |
soleft |
Feb-05-04 09:22 AM |
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All he had to say was.... |
GloriaSmith |
Feb-05-04 09:18 AM |
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This is the first GOOD thing I've heard about Kerry in a while. |
Merlin |
Feb-05-04 09:18 AM |
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A "trap?!?" |
Brian_Expat |
Feb-05-04 11:47 AM |
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lots of people throwing stones in glass houses here |
Ficus |
Feb-05-04 09:29 AM |
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Well said |
Uzybone |
Feb-05-04 01:16 PM |
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No they do not |
dsc |
Feb-05-04 03:26 PM |
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One step at a time, my friend. First step: Get rid of Bush* |
DemLikr |
Feb-05-04 09:52 AM |
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That's how we got into this mess in the first place!!! |
Paulie |
Feb-05-04 10:01 AM |
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Amen! n/t |
Brian_Expat |
Feb-05-04 12:20 PM |
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your all or nothing attitude will work well as part of Rove's re-select |
DemLikr |
Feb-05-04 01:15 PM |
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Brian, recommend that you read this from clear-eyed gay, lesbian leaders |
flpoljunkie |
Feb-05-04 10:23 AM |
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I don't agree with their premise |
Brian_Expat |
Feb-05-04 11:49 AM |
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Kerry and Clarky are both problematic in this |
MaddogTerp |
Feb-05-04 10:39 AM |
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His record would contradict you but that's OK, believe what you want |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-04 10:56 AM |
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That's all well and good BUT |
Brian_Expat |
Feb-05-04 11:50 AM |
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This is another fine mess you have got us in |
nolabels |
Feb-05-04 11:42 AM |
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Do you want to win the GE or not? Kerry's position is the one of most |
TexasSissy |
Feb-05-04 11:50 AM |
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I don't "win" if I'm not equal |
Brian_Expat |
Feb-05-04 11:56 AM |
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ABB is a false choice |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 12:33 PM |
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your political "purity" is lovely and admirable and all that... |
DemLikr |
Feb-05-04 01:18 PM |
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Edwards and Dean also agree w/Kerry's position. Clark is the most |
TexasSissy |
Feb-05-04 11:52 AM |
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I have a problem with how it was expressed |
Brian_Expat |
Feb-05-04 11:59 AM |
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No, Kucinich is the most liberal on this subject, |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 12:35 PM |
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Why isn't he fighting back like a leader should, you ask? |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 11:59 AM |
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My ancient rule is simple |
Brian_Expat |
Feb-05-04 12:02 PM |
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I humbly ask |
redqueen |
Feb-05-04 12:36 PM |
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So it has to be MARRIAGE RIGHT NOW, or nothing else will do? |
DemLikr |
Feb-05-04 01:22 PM |
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Kerry's a lawyer. He knows exactly what's possible |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Feb-05-04 04:25 PM |
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Glad to know from an expert on gay life |
dsc |
Feb-05-04 04:39 PM |
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My guess |
Forkboy |
Feb-05-04 12:13 PM |
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Another example of Kerry's political cowardliness! |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-05-04 12:35 PM |
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It worked for him with the war. |
rucky |
Feb-05-04 12:35 PM |
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So, I guess the 35% of gays who vote republican... |
mitchum |
Feb-05-04 04:15 PM |
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It was 25% |
dsc |
Feb-05-04 04:22 PM |
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Kerry is a politician... |
Hippo_Tron |
Feb-05-04 04:38 PM |
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