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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 06:43 AM
Response to Reply #34
47. The Dean distinction
Dean is not out there saying "Gay people should be allowed to get married." But he distinguishes himself from other candidates in a very significant way on this issue. He basically says that it doesn't matter what states call it, but that they must provide EQUAL protection under the law for all people. If a state were to pass a law that failed to give gays and lesbians equality on the issue of unions (no matter what they may call it), that would be unacceptable.
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  -I am disappointed. John Kerry is not my friend :( Brian_Expat  Feb-05-04 03:03 AM   #0 
  - Don't worry, when the polls show gay people are mad  Mobius   Feb-05-04 03:04 AM   #1 
  - Gay activist leaders are WITH Kerry on this it seems:  blm   Feb-05-04 11:03 AM   #84 
     - "Gay leaders"  Brian_Expat   Feb-05-04 12:17 PM   #102 
     - No one elected these gay "leaders"  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 12:20 PM   #106 
     - Funny when I brought up this precise same point  dsc   Feb-05-04 03:17 PM   #123 
     - "Kerry's attempted straddle of the issue" John Kerry, the great STRADDLER  mzmolly   Feb-05-04 04:47 PM   #141 
  - like ive been sayin kerry isnt the real deal but the Raw Deal  corporatewhore   Feb-05-04 03:07 AM   #2 
  - I totally hear what you are saying.  Mobius   Feb-05-04 03:09 AM   #4 
  - He'll say anything  creativelcro   Feb-05-04 08:30 AM   #56 
  - He's wrong to oppose gay marriage  lcordero   Feb-05-04 03:08 AM   #3 
  - A Kerry gaffe in the making????  Mobius   Feb-05-04 03:10 AM   #5 
  - I Agree!  Jawja   Feb-05-04 06:38 AM   #45 
  - Are homosexual couples more serious about their relationships?  LeahMira   Feb-05-04 10:34 AM   #76 
  - dude, you are OUT THERE!  MaddogTerp   Feb-05-04 10:31 AM   #75 
  - I'm afraid we all will have to get used to it!  AnnitaR   Feb-05-04 03:12 AM   #6 
  - Exactly, of all the Dems, he was only ahead of Joe  LosinIt   Feb-05-04 03:53 AM   #20 
  - BUT, he is also not your enemy.  benburch   Feb-05-04 03:13 AM   #7 
  - I disagree. Its huge if in nothing but symbolism. He agrees that there is  roguevalley   Feb-05-04 04:12 AM   #27 
  - If I'm correct  dusty64   Feb-05-04 07:19 AM   #53 
  - Sorry, but that's not true  redqueen   Feb-05-04 12:10 PM   #98 
     - Hmmmm.How about some of those so-called "leaders"  revcarol   Feb-05-04 03:29 PM   #127 
        - It's all back scratching, it seems.  redqueen   Feb-05-04 04:36 PM   #136 
  - Isn't it hypocritical of you to bash him when you're a Dean-supporter?  Bombtrack   Feb-05-04 03:15 AM   #8 
  - Dean makes it clear that civil unions are synonymous with...  joshcryer   Feb-05-04 03:53 AM   #19 
  - Isn't it hypocritical of you to bash him when you're a Dean-supporter?  Bombtrack   Feb-05-04 03:16 AM   #9 
  - civil unions can lose the election  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 03:22 AM   #10 
  - would you say the same thing if the issue was marriage between a black and  corporatewhore   Feb-05-04 03:25 AM   #12 
  - No, it really isn't  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 03:33 AM   #14 
     - I beg to differ  corporatewhore   Feb-05-04 03:41 AM   #16 
     - It's not the same  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 03:54 AM   #21 
        - "its own cultural foundation" CAN KISS MY QUEER BROWN ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  corporatewhore   Feb-05-04 03:56 AM   #23 
        - Other people have rights too  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 09:47 AM   #71 
           - I'm not gay  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-05-04 10:49 AM   #80 
              - Other people disagree  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 10:54 AM   #82 
                 - the court ruled civil unions are NOT equal  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-05-04 11:04 AM   #85 
                 - Aaah,  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 11:50 AM   #89 
                    - other peoples opinions  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-05-04 12:09 PM   #97 
                       - 38 states  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 04:31 PM   #133 
                 - Backing Civil Unions is bigotry  redqueen   Feb-05-04 12:12 PM   #99 
                    - Have nothing then  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 12:15 PM   #101 
                       - the same attitude is why it took america 100 years to end slavery  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-05-04 12:17 PM   #103 
        - So what? So what if it is between men and women? Who cares? Its about  roguevalley   Feb-05-04 04:14 AM   #28 
           - Ditto  corporatewhore   Feb-05-04 05:00 AM   #30 
           - Civil Unions  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 09:34 AM   #69 
     - spoken as one who gets to marry who you want  dsc   Feb-05-04 05:56 AM   #36 
        - It sounds like the typical hetero condescension  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 06:18 AM   #39 
        - Spoken as one  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 09:37 AM   #70 
           - You cannot have justice with civil unions  redqueen   Feb-05-04 12:19 PM   #104 
           - It's not the same  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 04:33 PM   #134 
              - You must have missed this post.  redqueen   Feb-05-04 04:37 PM   #137 
           - Why should Christians tell gay Jews that they cannot marry?  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 12:24 PM   #109 
           - nice of you to tellus how we should be progressing  corporatewhore   Feb-05-04 01:01 PM   #118 
              - Reality is reality  sandnsea   Feb-05-04 04:35 PM   #135 
  - So could not voting for the war  quaker bill   Feb-05-04 03:55 AM   #22 
     - THANK YOU!!!!  redqueen   Feb-05-04 12:21 PM   #107 
  - Who is SJC and why did you put his words in Kerry's mouth?  Feanorcurufinwe   Feb-05-04 03:22 AM   #11 
  - Why don't you try reading the article?  parasim   Feb-05-04 03:34 AM   #15 
     - The link wouldn't work for me, it timed out. If you are done insulting me  Feanorcurufinwe   Feb-05-04 03:44 AM   #17 
        - Supreme Judicial Court (of MA)  maddezmom   Feb-05-04 04:02 AM   #24 
        - I apologize for insulting you...  parasim   Feb-05-04 12:34 PM   #113 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-04 03:28 AM   #13 
  - You are wasting your time.  Feanorcurufinwe   Feb-05-04 03:46 AM   #18 
     - Thank You  emanymton   Feb-05-04 04:04 AM   #25 
     - That thoughtful comment got deleted for some odd reason  redqueen   Feb-05-04 12:22 PM   #108 
  - Gay marriage is a good future goal, Gays should support Kerry  Chicago Democrat   Feb-05-04 04:10 AM   #26 
  - Gays should boycott the election if Kerry is the nominee!  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 05:02 AM   #31 
  - Welcome to DU!  aldian159   Feb-05-04 05:22 AM   #32 
  - Why don't we call for a total ban on abortions?  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 05:37 AM   #33 
     - oh totally if i dont need my civil rights because i am queer i certainly  corporatewhore   Feb-05-04 05:53 AM   #35 
  - "We should all applaud the wisdom of the court..."  HFishbine   Feb-05-04 06:38 AM   #44 
  - Kerry doesn't believe in equality before the law  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 04:35 AM   #29 
  - This is part of my problem with Kerry  dsc   Feb-05-04 05:51 AM   #34 
  - Dean has also explicitly said that civil unions afford all the same...  joshcryer   Feb-05-04 06:19 AM   #40 
  - The Dean distinction  HFishbine   Feb-05-04 06:43 AM   #47 
  - He honors marriage  dogman   Feb-05-04 06:01 AM   #37 
  - I cant believe people are defending Kerry on this  corporatewhore   Feb-05-04 06:14 AM   #38 
  - You'll notice  HFishbine   Feb-05-04 06:45 AM   #48 
  - Typical middle road politician  CWebster   Feb-05-04 06:22 AM   #41 
  - This siphoning off of energy is the precise function of the Dem Party...  RichM   Feb-05-04 09:21 AM   #66 
  - Typical Kerry Pandering  RetroLounge   Feb-05-04 06:25 AM   #42 
  - Compare Kerry to the Socialist position on GLBT rights  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 06:32 AM   #43 
  - If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao...  Chicago Democrat   Feb-05-04 03:18 PM   #124 
     - "Politics is about compromise"  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 03:31 PM   #128 
        - Dems Lost the South since 1964, Wanna loose the whole nation?  Chicago Democrat   Feb-05-04 04:15 PM   #130 
  - Clark agrees with the Mass court decision - consistent position:  robbedvoter   Feb-05-04 06:39 AM   #46 
  - Wes Clark is a true liberal unlike that Kerry "Phoney Deal"  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 06:48 AM   #49 
  - Oh for crying out loud, Kerry has a lengthy history of liberal votes  LuminousX   Feb-05-04 09:04 AM   #61 
  - Wes Clark Has Consistently Surprised Me, Too.  David Zephyr   Feb-05-04 10:48 AM   #79 
  - You quoted Clark's weaker answer  HFishbine   Feb-05-04 06:50 AM   #50 
  - But it's not a religious matter. Federal benefits from marriage  redqueen   Feb-05-04 12:31 PM   #111 
     - That's where the federal government comes in  HFishbine   Feb-05-04 03:28 PM   #126 
        - Edited  redqueen   Feb-05-04 04:40 PM   #140 
  - Thanks, Robbedvoter For Posting This.  David Zephyr   Feb-05-04 10:45 AM   #78 
  - This is an easy out  redqueen   Feb-05-04 12:28 PM   #110 
  - Kerry has the same stance as Dean & Edwards  Killarney   Feb-05-04 07:13 AM   #51 
  - Maybe we're just dumb.  HFishbine   Feb-05-04 07:18 AM   #52 
  - I am saying Kucinich is better  corporatewhore   Feb-05-04 07:22 AM   #54 
  - Dean was in front on this issue  dansolo   Feb-05-04 08:30 AM   #55 
  - Wrong. Noone has stepped forward more on gay issues than Kerry.  blm   Feb-05-04 08:43 AM   #59 
  - Dean has never said he's AGAINST gay marriage  soleft   Feb-05-04 09:17 AM   #63 
  - Dean's position is not "against" gay marriage...  Caliphoto   Feb-05-04 10:52 AM   #81 
  - It figures.  bitchkitty   Feb-05-04 08:30 AM   #57 
  - Kerry has never been for gay marriage mainly because of the religio/civil  blm   Feb-05-04 08:40 AM   #58 
  - he might be your friend if you belonged to AIG  Snivi Yllom   Feb-05-04 08:49 AM   #60 
  - Grrrrrr  bicentennial_baby   Feb-05-04 09:05 AM   #62 
  - I belong to AIG and he's not my friend  soleft   Feb-05-04 09:22 AM   #67 
  - All he had to say was....  GloriaSmith   Feb-05-04 09:18 AM   #64 
  - This is the first GOOD thing I've heard about Kerry in a while.  Merlin   Feb-05-04 09:18 AM   #65 
  - A "trap?!?"  Brian_Expat   Feb-05-04 11:47 AM   #87 
  - lots of people throwing stones in glass houses here  Ficus   Feb-05-04 09:29 AM   #68 
  - Well said  Uzybone   Feb-05-04 01:16 PM   #120 
     - No they do not  dsc   Feb-05-04 03:26 PM   #125 
  - One step at a time, my friend. First step: Get rid of Bush*  DemLikr   Feb-05-04 09:52 AM   #72 
  - That's how we got into this mess in the first place!!!  Paulie   Feb-05-04 10:01 AM   #73 
     - Amen! n/t  Brian_Expat   Feb-05-04 12:20 PM   #105 
     - your all or nothing attitude will work well as part of Rove's re-select  DemLikr   Feb-05-04 01:15 PM   #119 
  - Brian, recommend that you read this from clear-eyed gay, lesbian leaders  flpoljunkie   Feb-05-04 10:23 AM   #74 
  - I don't agree with their premise  Brian_Expat   Feb-05-04 11:49 AM   #88 
  - Kerry and Clarky are both problematic in this  MaddogTerp   Feb-05-04 10:39 AM   #77 
  - His record would contradict you but that's OK, believe what you want  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-05-04 10:56 AM   #83 
  - That's all well and good BUT  Brian_Expat   Feb-05-04 11:50 AM   #91 
  - This is another fine mess you have got us in  nolabels   Feb-05-04 11:42 AM   #86 
  - Do you want to win the GE or not? Kerry's position is the one of most  TexasSissy   Feb-05-04 11:50 AM   #90 
  - I don't "win" if I'm not equal  Brian_Expat   Feb-05-04 11:56 AM   #93 
  - ABB is a false choice  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 12:33 PM   #112 
     - your political "purity" is lovely and admirable and all that...  DemLikr   Feb-05-04 01:18 PM   #121 
  - Edwards and Dean also agree w/Kerry's position. Clark is the most  TexasSissy   Feb-05-04 11:52 AM   #92 
  - I have a problem with how it was expressed  Brian_Expat   Feb-05-04 11:59 AM   #94 
  - No, Kucinich is the most liberal on this subject,  redqueen   Feb-05-04 12:35 PM   #116 
  - Why isn't he fighting back like a leader should, you ask?  redqueen   Feb-05-04 11:59 AM   #95 
  - My ancient rule is simple  Brian_Expat   Feb-05-04 12:02 PM   #96 
     - I humbly ask  redqueen   Feb-05-04 12:36 PM   #117 
     - So it has to be MARRIAGE RIGHT NOW, or nothing else will do?  DemLikr   Feb-05-04 01:22 PM   #122 
        - Kerry's a lawyer. He knows exactly what's possible  NewYorkerfromMass   Feb-05-04 04:25 PM   #132 
           - Glad to know from an expert on gay life  dsc   Feb-05-04 04:39 PM   #139 
  - My guess  Forkboy   Feb-05-04 12:13 PM   #100 
  - Another example of Kerry's political cowardliness!  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-04 12:35 PM   #115 
  - It worked for him with the war.  rucky   Feb-05-04 12:35 PM   #114 
  - So, I guess the 35% of gays who vote republican...  mitchum   Feb-05-04 04:15 PM   #129 
  - It was 25%  dsc   Feb-05-04 04:22 PM   #131 
  - Kerry is a politician...  Hippo_Tron   Feb-05-04 04:38 PM   #138 
 

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