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| 101. Obama: Enough with the praying - talk about health care and jobs |
| -Obama: Politicans Need Not Abandon Religion |
ndcohn |
Jul-10-06 07:03 PM |
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Which ones have, Obama? Do you have a list? Is Bush on it? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:07 PM |
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I second that request.... |
vi5 |
Jul-10-06 07:10 PM |
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Obama has decided to go with Karl Rove's framing of the issue. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:14 PM |
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DING DING DING! Dr Fate, you're our grand prize winner! |
rocknation |
Jul-10-06 07:37 PM |
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I believe you have a wrong impression of the Sojourners movement |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jul-11-06 09:46 AM |
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So when Obama castigates "politicians"- he means the GOP, right? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 02:09 PM |
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I guess I can forget Obama forever. What I care is what he believes in, |
Mass |
Jul-10-06 07:09 PM |
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Politicians Appealing To the Devout, Sir, Does Not Trouble Me |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:12 PM |
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Few people do that. More people are trying to impose their christian |
Mass |
Jul-10-06 07:16 PM |
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Your Meaning Is Unclear, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:31 PM |
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Which Democrats are on record against Nativity scenes in parks? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:37 PM |
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It Does Not Matter, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:46 PM |
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So what you are saying is that... |
vi5 |
Jul-11-06 06:08 AM |
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The Senator Is Concerned Over It, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 09:53 AM |
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Right- and Obama reinforces that Rove/media inspired perception. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 02:11 PM |
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Do You Seriously Imagine, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 02:38 PM |
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No-It picked up steam in the 1980's- remember the "Moral Majority"? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:23 PM |
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When Herr Marx Dubbed Religion 'The Opiate Of The People', Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:29 PM |
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That does not take Rove's more recent framing out of the picture at all. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:38 PM |
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Without The Pre-Existing Ground, Doctor, He Would Be Helpless |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:52 PM |
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The last 30 or so years of GOP history is not Pre-Existing Ground? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:59 PM |
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Let me paint you a picture of this: |
The Straight Story |
Jul-12-06 12:14 AM |
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I agree that is how Rove/media & now Obama have framed those issues. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 12:27 PM |
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He could frame it without seeming to admit the GOP/media is right. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:20 PM |
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The Senator, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:35 PM |
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Which elected Democrats are not showing up to Church enough? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:39 PM |
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The Correlation, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:49 PM |
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Excuse me, Magistrate... |
GOPFighter |
Jul-11-06 12:31 PM |
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My Religious Views, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 02:36 PM |
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These icons and persecution are sometimes connected |
GOPFighter |
Jul-11-06 03:56 PM |
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But They Are Not In This Instance, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:11 PM |
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That's not always the case... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 04:35 PM |
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Why Did She Bother To Refuse To Participate, Sir? |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:50 PM |
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To ask a Religious person to bow their head to another God they... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 04:55 PM |
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To Treat A Meaningless Form Of Words Seriously, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:14 PM |
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Using that as a basis for argument means that ALL first amendment cases... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 05:27 PM |
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It Is Not Required Of Me, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:34 PM |
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I don't understand this... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 05:52 PM |
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Part Of Fighting, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 06:00 PM |
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Its almost as if you think she asked for what she got... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 06:10 PM |
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Being Appalled At The Prayer Was A Choice, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 06:18 PM |
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I assume then |
GOPFighter |
Jul-11-06 05:35 PM |
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Theocracy Is To Be Opposed, Sir, With Violence If Necessary |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:40 PM |
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We're not talking teddy bears... |
GOPFighter |
Jul-11-06 05:46 PM |
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So Far, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:49 PM |
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Teddy bears that happen to have knives and guns... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 05:53 PM |
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How is theocracy to be opposed if not by anyone... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 05:55 PM |
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So being concerned with the illegal endorsement of religion by government |
Zhade |
Jul-11-06 05:56 PM |
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To Treat Meaningless Form, Sir, As A Matter Of Substance |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 06:25 PM |
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Those "Meaningless forms" are what inspires the lynch mob mentality... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 09:07 PM |
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My Take: |
The Straight Story |
Jul-12-06 12:31 AM |
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You would rather back Rove's framing than give me those details. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 02:16 PM |
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You Know, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 02:39 PM |
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You are defending the Rove/Obama framing of this issue... |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:18 PM |
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The Senator, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:21 PM |
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He is reinforcing a FALSE popular perception. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:32 PM |
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That, Doctor, Is An Argument You Will Not Win |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:54 PM |
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Oh- you mean THOSE Christians- the ones who will NEVER vote DEM. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 05:08 PM |
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The Problem Goes Far Wider Than That, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:17 PM |
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You be well too. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 05:27 PM |
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That is because Republicans hold political rallies in churches |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:25 PM |
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Obama must stop using this rethug talking point |
jumpoffdaplanet |
Jul-10-06 07:19 PM |
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They need to abandon legislating morality based on subjective religious |
Mandate My Ass |
Jul-10-06 07:27 PM |
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I belive Obama is absolutely correct. He is a wise, sincere man. |
cantstandbush |
Jul-10-06 07:46 PM |
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That, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:51 PM |
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...and WARmongering. |
1932 |
Jul-11-06 09:25 AM |
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RE: the Evangelicals that sponsored the conference Sen. Obama spoke at |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jul-10-06 07:51 PM |
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No wonder they vote republican |
ndcohn |
Jul-11-06 02:21 AM |
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oh PLEASE |
Skittles |
Jul-11-06 04:40 AM |
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Al Gore & Bill Clinton were both raised Baptist.... |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-11-06 09:40 AM |
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Again with the freaking religion thing, Barack... |
Totally Committed |
Jul-11-06 05:47 AM |
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What exactly is wrong here? |
Juffo Wup |
Jul-11-06 06:54 AM |
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Good post. |
1932 |
Jul-11-06 09:29 AM |
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He's saying that liberals are wrong not to talk about faith |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:28 PM |
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Obama is right on target here...adjunct to the 50 state strategy |
SaveElmer |
Jul-11-06 09:31 AM |
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Which liberals of faith, which values? |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 11:54 AM |
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You're still letting the other side frame the argument |
Juffo Wup |
Jul-11-06 12:33 PM |
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My problem stems from the fact that religion shouldn't really be... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 12:38 PM |
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But It Is A Part Of Politics Here, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 02:44 PM |
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We should probably divide this up into Sectarian versus Universal... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 04:15 PM |
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It Makes No Appeal To Me Either, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:23 PM |
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I guess part of it is that appealing to Authority of any sort... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 04:45 PM |
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But what if liberal candidates don't want to talk about faith? |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:36 PM |
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Thank you Senator Obvious n/t |
GOTV |
Jul-11-06 12:20 PM |
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I like Barack Obama. n/t |
AtomicKitten |
Jul-11-06 02:28 PM |
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Sounds nice, but plays into the fake "Dems are against believers" meme. |
Zhade |
Jul-11-06 02:36 PM |
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He is too lazy/frightened to put out a "Bush is against believers" meme. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:50 PM |
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MANY solid Democrats are *Christians* |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-11-06 05:39 PM |
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Actually, he's talking about refuting that meme. |
Radical Activist |
Jul-11-06 06:21 PM |
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Quite True, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 06:26 PM |
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But he's talking about refuting it by talking about faith |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:17 PM |
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Because that would require fighting the GOP/media-Obama 's too lazy. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 12:34 PM |
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Read this paragraph and tell me what GOP meme he is refuting: |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 12:45 PM |
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Baloney |
Radical Activist |
Jul-12-06 12:50 PM |
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He does not bring up GOP hypocrisy at all. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 12:59 PM |
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Yes he does. He does it right there. |
Radical Activist |
Jul-12-06 01:12 PM |
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Where? I'm slow. Break it down for me. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 01:20 PM |
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Maybe Obama missed his calling |
Sam Odom |
Jul-11-06 09:10 PM |
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Yep, Obama should be a TV preacher like TD Jakes |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-12-06 12:34 AM |
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Sorry but I think that Obama is dead wrong |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:15 PM |
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Obama: Enough with the praying - talk about health care and jobs |
OzarkDem |
Jul-12-06 02:00 PM |
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REAL ISSUES? Not when "some Liberals" have a "War on Christmas"!!!! |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 03:38 PM |
#102 |
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