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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:50 PM
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58. Why Did She Bother To Refuse To Participate, Sir?
That strikes me as a very foolish and pointless thing to do. Certainly if one deliberately sets oneself up in defiance of a small and close-knit community, there are going to problems that ensue. My sympathy for volunteers, though, is very limited, and this person was a volunteer.
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  -Obama: Politicans Need Not Abandon Religion ndcohn  Jul-10-06 07:03 PM   #0 
  - Which ones have, Obama? Do you have a list? Is Bush on it?  Dr Fate   Jul-10-06 07:07 PM   #1 
  - I second that request....  vi5   Jul-10-06 07:10 PM   #3 
  - Obama has decided to go with Karl Rove's framing of the issue.  Dr Fate   Jul-10-06 07:14 PM   #5 
     - DING DING DING! Dr Fate, you're our grand prize winner!  rocknation   Jul-10-06 07:37 PM   #13 
  - I believe you have a wrong impression of the Sojourners movement  Douglas Carpenter   Jul-11-06 09:46 AM   #29 
     - So when Obama castigates "politicians"- he means the GOP, right?  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 02:09 PM   #36 
  - I guess I can forget Obama forever. What I care is what he believes in,  Mass   Jul-10-06 07:09 PM   #2 
  - Politicians Appealing To the Devout, Sir, Does Not Trouble Me  The Magistrate   Jul-10-06 07:12 PM   #4 
  - Few people do that. More people are trying to impose their christian  Mass   Jul-10-06 07:16 PM   #6 
  - Your Meaning Is Unclear, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jul-10-06 07:31 PM   #10 
     - Which Democrats are on record against Nativity scenes in parks?  Dr Fate   Jul-10-06 07:37 PM   #12 
        - It Does Not Matter, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-10-06 07:46 PM   #15 
           - So what you are saying is that...  vi5   Jul-11-06 06:08 AM   #23 
           - The Senator Is Concerned Over It, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 09:53 AM   #30 
           - Right- and Obama reinforces that Rove/media inspired perception.  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 02:11 PM   #37 
              - Do You Seriously Imagine, Doctor  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 02:38 PM   #42 
                 - No-It picked up steam in the 1980's- remember the "Moral Majority"?  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 04:23 PM   #50 
                    - When Herr Marx Dubbed Religion 'The Opiate Of The People', Doctor  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 04:29 PM   #52 
                       - That does not take Rove's more recent framing out of the picture at all.  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 04:38 PM   #55 
                          - Without The Pre-Existing Ground, Doctor, He Would Be Helpless  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 04:52 PM   #59 
                          - The last 30 or so years of GOP history is not Pre-Existing Ground?  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 04:59 PM   #62 
                          - Let me paint you a picture of this:  The Straight Story   Jul-12-06 12:14 AM   #91 
                             - I agree that is how Rove/media & now Obama have framed those issues.  Dr Fate   Jul-12-06 12:27 PM   #94 
  - He could frame it without seeming to admit the GOP/media is right.  Dr Fate   Jul-10-06 07:20 PM   #8 
     - The Senator, Doctor  The Magistrate   Jul-10-06 07:35 PM   #11 
        - Which elected Democrats are not showing up to Church enough?  Dr Fate   Jul-10-06 07:39 PM   #14 
        - The Correlation, Doctor  The Magistrate   Jul-10-06 07:49 PM   #17 
           - Excuse me, Magistrate...  GOPFighter   Jul-11-06 12:31 PM   #33 
           - My Religious Views, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 02:36 PM   #40 
           - These icons and persecution are sometimes connected  GOPFighter   Jul-11-06 03:56 PM   #45 
           - But They Are Not In This Instance, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 04:11 PM   #46 
              - That's not always the case...  Solon   Jul-11-06 04:35 PM   #54 
              - Why Did She Bother To Refuse To Participate, Sir?  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 04:50 PM   #58 
                 - To ask a Religious person to bow their head to another God they...  Solon   Jul-11-06 04:55 PM   #61 
                    - To Treat A Meaningless Form Of Words Seriously, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 05:14 PM   #64 
                       - Using that as a basis for argument means that ALL first amendment cases...  Solon   Jul-11-06 05:27 PM   #66 
                          - It Is Not Required Of Me, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 05:34 PM   #68 
                             - I don't understand this...  Solon   Jul-11-06 05:52 PM   #74 
                                - Part Of Fighting, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 06:00 PM   #78 
                                   - Its almost as if you think she asked for what she got...  Solon   Jul-11-06 06:10 PM   #79 
                                      - Being Appalled At The Prayer Was A Choice, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 06:18 PM   #80 
              - I assume then  GOPFighter   Jul-11-06 05:35 PM   #69 
                 - Theocracy Is To Be Opposed, Sir, With Violence If Necessary  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 05:40 PM   #71 
                    - We're not talking teddy bears...  GOPFighter   Jul-11-06 05:46 PM   #72 
                    - So Far, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 05:49 PM   #73 
                       - Teddy bears that happen to have knives and guns...  Solon   Jul-11-06 05:53 PM   #75 
                    - How is theocracy to be opposed if not by anyone...  Solon   Jul-11-06 05:55 PM   #76 
           - So being concerned with the illegal endorsement of religion by government  Zhade   Jul-11-06 05:56 PM   #77 
              - To Treat Meaningless Form, Sir, As A Matter Of Substance  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 06:25 PM   #82 
                 - Those "Meaningless forms" are what inspires the lynch mob mentality...  Solon   Jul-11-06 09:07 PM   #84 
           - My Take:  The Straight Story   Jul-12-06 12:31 AM   #92 
           - You would rather back Rove's framing than give me those details.  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 02:16 PM   #38 
              - You Know, Doctor  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 02:39 PM   #43 
                 - You are defending the Rove/Obama framing of this issue...  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 04:18 PM   #48 
                    - The Senator, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 04:21 PM   #49 
                       - He is reinforcing a FALSE popular perception.  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 04:32 PM   #53 
                          - That, Doctor, Is An Argument You Will Not Win  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 04:54 PM   #60 
                             - Oh- you mean THOSE Christians- the ones who will NEVER vote DEM.  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 05:08 PM   #63 
                                - The Problem Goes Far Wider Than That, Doctor  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 05:17 PM   #65 
                                   - You be well too.  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 05:27 PM   #67 
        - That is because Republicans hold political rallies in churches  Hippo_Tron   Jul-11-06 11:25 PM   #88 
  - Obama must stop using this rethug talking point  jumpoffdaplanet   Jul-10-06 07:19 PM   #7 
  - They need to abandon legislating morality based on subjective religious  Mandate My Ass   Jul-10-06 07:27 PM   #9 
  - I belive Obama is absolutely correct. He is a wise, sincere man.  cantstandbush   Jul-10-06 07:46 PM   #16 
  - That, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-10-06 07:51 PM   #19 
  - ...and WARmongering.  1932   Jul-11-06 09:25 AM   #25 
  - RE: the Evangelicals that sponsored the conference Sen. Obama spoke at  Douglas Carpenter   Jul-10-06 07:51 PM   #18 
  - No wonder they vote republican  ndcohn   Jul-11-06 02:21 AM   #20 
  - oh PLEASE  Skittles   Jul-11-06 04:40 AM   #21 
  - Al Gore & Bill Clinton were both raised Baptist....  Bridget Burke   Jul-11-06 09:40 AM   #28 
  - Again with the freaking religion thing, Barack...  Totally Committed   Jul-11-06 05:47 AM   #22 
  - What exactly is wrong here?  Juffo Wup   Jul-11-06 06:54 AM   #24 
  - Good post.  1932   Jul-11-06 09:29 AM   #26 
  - He's saying that liberals are wrong not to talk about faith  Hippo_Tron   Jul-11-06 11:28 PM   #89 
  - Obama is right on target here...adjunct to the 50 state strategy  SaveElmer   Jul-11-06 09:31 AM   #27 
  - Which liberals of faith, which values?  Solon   Jul-11-06 11:54 AM   #31 
  - You're still letting the other side frame the argument  Juffo Wup   Jul-11-06 12:33 PM   #34 
     - My problem stems from the fact that religion shouldn't really be...  Solon   Jul-11-06 12:38 PM   #35 
        - But It Is A Part Of Politics Here, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 02:44 PM   #44 
           - We should probably divide this up into Sectarian versus Universal...  Solon   Jul-11-06 04:15 PM   #47 
              - It Makes No Appeal To Me Either, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 04:23 PM   #51 
                 - I guess part of it is that appealing to Authority of any sort...  Solon   Jul-11-06 04:45 PM   #56 
  - But what if liberal candidates don't want to talk about faith?  Hippo_Tron   Jul-11-06 11:36 PM   #90 
  - Thank you Senator Obvious n/t  GOTV   Jul-11-06 12:20 PM   #32 
  - I like Barack Obama. n/t  AtomicKitten   Jul-11-06 02:28 PM   #39 
  - Sounds nice, but plays into the fake "Dems are against believers" meme.  Zhade   Jul-11-06 02:36 PM   #41 
  - He is too lazy/frightened to put out a "Bush is against believers" meme.  Dr Fate   Jul-11-06 04:50 PM   #57 
  - MANY solid Democrats are *Christians*  ShortnFiery   Jul-11-06 05:39 PM   #70 
  - Actually, he's talking about refuting that meme.  Radical Activist   Jul-11-06 06:21 PM   #81 
     - Quite True, Sir  The Magistrate   Jul-11-06 06:26 PM   #83 
     - But he's talking about refuting it by talking about faith  Hippo_Tron   Jul-11-06 11:17 PM   #87 
     - Because that would require fighting the GOP/media-Obama 's too lazy.  Dr Fate   Jul-12-06 12:34 PM   #95 
     - Read this paragraph and tell me what GOP meme he is refuting:  Dr Fate   Jul-12-06 12:45 PM   #96 
        - Baloney  Radical Activist   Jul-12-06 12:50 PM   #97 
           - He does not bring up GOP hypocrisy at all.  Dr Fate   Jul-12-06 12:59 PM   #98 
              - Yes he does. He does it right there.  Radical Activist   Jul-12-06 01:12 PM   #99 
                 - Where? I'm slow. Break it down for me.  Dr Fate   Jul-12-06 01:20 PM   #100 
  - Maybe Obama missed his calling  Sam Odom   Jul-11-06 09:10 PM   #85 
  - Yep, Obama should be a TV preacher like TD Jakes  IndianaGreen   Jul-12-06 12:34 AM   #93 
  - Sorry but I think that Obama is dead wrong  Hippo_Tron   Jul-11-06 11:15 PM   #86 
  - Obama: Enough with the praying - talk about health care and jobs  OzarkDem   Jul-12-06 02:00 PM   #101 
     - REAL ISSUES? Not when "some Liberals" have a "War on Christmas"!!!!  Dr Fate   Jul-12-06 03:38 PM   #102 

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