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Tue Jul-11-06 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #35 |
| 44. But It Is A Part Of Politics Here, Sir |
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It does no good to say it ought not to be. A great many people are, as a matter of practical fact, moved in their political decisions by religious views and concerns. Some are moved in ways that align with secular progressive views, and some in ways that range against them. What is needed is to increase the number of the former group, and reduce the number of the latter one.
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| -Obama: Politicans Need Not Abandon Religion |
ndcohn |
Jul-10-06 07:03 PM |
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Which ones have, Obama? Do you have a list? Is Bush on it? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:07 PM |
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I second that request.... |
vi5 |
Jul-10-06 07:10 PM |
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Obama has decided to go with Karl Rove's framing of the issue. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:14 PM |
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DING DING DING! Dr Fate, you're our grand prize winner! |
rocknation |
Jul-10-06 07:37 PM |
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I believe you have a wrong impression of the Sojourners movement |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jul-11-06 09:46 AM |
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So when Obama castigates "politicians"- he means the GOP, right? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 02:09 PM |
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I guess I can forget Obama forever. What I care is what he believes in, |
Mass |
Jul-10-06 07:09 PM |
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Politicians Appealing To the Devout, Sir, Does Not Trouble Me |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:12 PM |
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Few people do that. More people are trying to impose their christian |
Mass |
Jul-10-06 07:16 PM |
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Your Meaning Is Unclear, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:31 PM |
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Which Democrats are on record against Nativity scenes in parks? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:37 PM |
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It Does Not Matter, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:46 PM |
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So what you are saying is that... |
vi5 |
Jul-11-06 06:08 AM |
#23 |
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The Senator Is Concerned Over It, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 09:53 AM |
#30 |
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Right- and Obama reinforces that Rove/media inspired perception. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 02:11 PM |
#37 |
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Do You Seriously Imagine, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 02:38 PM |
#42 |
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No-It picked up steam in the 1980's- remember the "Moral Majority"? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:23 PM |
#50 |
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When Herr Marx Dubbed Religion 'The Opiate Of The People', Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:29 PM |
#52 |
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That does not take Rove's more recent framing out of the picture at all. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:38 PM |
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Without The Pre-Existing Ground, Doctor, He Would Be Helpless |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:52 PM |
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The last 30 or so years of GOP history is not Pre-Existing Ground? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:59 PM |
#62 |
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Let me paint you a picture of this: |
The Straight Story |
Jul-12-06 12:14 AM |
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I agree that is how Rove/media & now Obama have framed those issues. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 12:27 PM |
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He could frame it without seeming to admit the GOP/media is right. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:20 PM |
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The Senator, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:35 PM |
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Which elected Democrats are not showing up to Church enough? |
Dr Fate |
Jul-10-06 07:39 PM |
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The Correlation, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:49 PM |
#17 |
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Excuse me, Magistrate... |
GOPFighter |
Jul-11-06 12:31 PM |
#33 |
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My Religious Views, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 02:36 PM |
#40 |
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These icons and persecution are sometimes connected |
GOPFighter |
Jul-11-06 03:56 PM |
#45 |
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But They Are Not In This Instance, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:11 PM |
#46 |
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That's not always the case... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 04:35 PM |
#54 |
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Why Did She Bother To Refuse To Participate, Sir? |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:50 PM |
#58 |
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To ask a Religious person to bow their head to another God they... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 04:55 PM |
#61 |
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To Treat A Meaningless Form Of Words Seriously, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:14 PM |
#64 |
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Using that as a basis for argument means that ALL first amendment cases... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 05:27 PM |
#66 |
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It Is Not Required Of Me, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:34 PM |
#68 |
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I don't understand this... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 05:52 PM |
#74 |
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Part Of Fighting, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 06:00 PM |
#78 |
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Its almost as if you think she asked for what she got... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 06:10 PM |
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Being Appalled At The Prayer Was A Choice, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 06:18 PM |
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I assume then |
GOPFighter |
Jul-11-06 05:35 PM |
#69 |
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Theocracy Is To Be Opposed, Sir, With Violence If Necessary |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:40 PM |
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We're not talking teddy bears... |
GOPFighter |
Jul-11-06 05:46 PM |
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So Far, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:49 PM |
#73 |
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Teddy bears that happen to have knives and guns... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 05:53 PM |
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How is theocracy to be opposed if not by anyone... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 05:55 PM |
#76 |
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So being concerned with the illegal endorsement of religion by government |
Zhade |
Jul-11-06 05:56 PM |
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To Treat Meaningless Form, Sir, As A Matter Of Substance |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 06:25 PM |
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Those "Meaningless forms" are what inspires the lynch mob mentality... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 09:07 PM |
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My Take: |
The Straight Story |
Jul-12-06 12:31 AM |
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You would rather back Rove's framing than give me those details. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 02:16 PM |
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You Know, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 02:39 PM |
#43 |
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You are defending the Rove/Obama framing of this issue... |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:18 PM |
#48 |
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The Senator, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:21 PM |
#49 |
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He is reinforcing a FALSE popular perception. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:32 PM |
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That, Doctor, Is An Argument You Will Not Win |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:54 PM |
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Oh- you mean THOSE Christians- the ones who will NEVER vote DEM. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 05:08 PM |
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The Problem Goes Far Wider Than That, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 05:17 PM |
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You be well too. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 05:27 PM |
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That is because Republicans hold political rallies in churches |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:25 PM |
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Obama must stop using this rethug talking point |
jumpoffdaplanet |
Jul-10-06 07:19 PM |
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They need to abandon legislating morality based on subjective religious |
Mandate My Ass |
Jul-10-06 07:27 PM |
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I belive Obama is absolutely correct. He is a wise, sincere man. |
cantstandbush |
Jul-10-06 07:46 PM |
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That, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-10-06 07:51 PM |
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...and WARmongering. |
1932 |
Jul-11-06 09:25 AM |
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RE: the Evangelicals that sponsored the conference Sen. Obama spoke at |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jul-10-06 07:51 PM |
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No wonder they vote republican |
ndcohn |
Jul-11-06 02:21 AM |
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oh PLEASE |
Skittles |
Jul-11-06 04:40 AM |
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Al Gore & Bill Clinton were both raised Baptist.... |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-11-06 09:40 AM |
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Again with the freaking religion thing, Barack... |
Totally Committed |
Jul-11-06 05:47 AM |
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What exactly is wrong here? |
Juffo Wup |
Jul-11-06 06:54 AM |
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Good post. |
1932 |
Jul-11-06 09:29 AM |
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He's saying that liberals are wrong not to talk about faith |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:28 PM |
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Obama is right on target here...adjunct to the 50 state strategy |
SaveElmer |
Jul-11-06 09:31 AM |
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Which liberals of faith, which values? |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 11:54 AM |
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You're still letting the other side frame the argument |
Juffo Wup |
Jul-11-06 12:33 PM |
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My problem stems from the fact that religion shouldn't really be... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 12:38 PM |
#35 |
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But It Is A Part Of Politics Here, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 02:44 PM |
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We should probably divide this up into Sectarian versus Universal... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 04:15 PM |
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It Makes No Appeal To Me Either, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 04:23 PM |
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I guess part of it is that appealing to Authority of any sort... |
Solon |
Jul-11-06 04:45 PM |
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But what if liberal candidates don't want to talk about faith? |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:36 PM |
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Thank you Senator Obvious n/t |
GOTV |
Jul-11-06 12:20 PM |
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I like Barack Obama. n/t |
AtomicKitten |
Jul-11-06 02:28 PM |
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Sounds nice, but plays into the fake "Dems are against believers" meme. |
Zhade |
Jul-11-06 02:36 PM |
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He is too lazy/frightened to put out a "Bush is against believers" meme. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-11-06 04:50 PM |
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MANY solid Democrats are *Christians* |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-11-06 05:39 PM |
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Actually, he's talking about refuting that meme. |
Radical Activist |
Jul-11-06 06:21 PM |
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Quite True, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-11-06 06:26 PM |
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But he's talking about refuting it by talking about faith |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:17 PM |
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Because that would require fighting the GOP/media-Obama 's too lazy. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 12:34 PM |
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Read this paragraph and tell me what GOP meme he is refuting: |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 12:45 PM |
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Baloney |
Radical Activist |
Jul-12-06 12:50 PM |
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He does not bring up GOP hypocrisy at all. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 12:59 PM |
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Yes he does. He does it right there. |
Radical Activist |
Jul-12-06 01:12 PM |
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Where? I'm slow. Break it down for me. |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 01:20 PM |
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Maybe Obama missed his calling |
Sam Odom |
Jul-11-06 09:10 PM |
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Yep, Obama should be a TV preacher like TD Jakes |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-12-06 12:34 AM |
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Sorry but I think that Obama is dead wrong |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-11-06 11:15 PM |
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Obama: Enough with the praying - talk about health care and jobs |
OzarkDem |
Jul-12-06 02:00 PM |
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REAL ISSUES? Not when "some Liberals" have a "War on Christmas"!!!! |
Dr Fate |
Jul-12-06 03:38 PM |
#102 |
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