| 101. Good for Kerrey for pulling that off. |
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Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 12:10 AM by pnwmom
But I still don't blame Nelson for representing his state. And he does it as a Senate moderate, by the way, not as a conservative. There are 55 Senators who are more conservative than he is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kerrey "As a Senator, Kerrey had a relatively liberal voting record despite the fact that Nebraska is one of the most conservative states in the union. He was one of only a handful of senators, for example, to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996. Kerrey also led the opposition in the Senate to the proposed flag burning amendment, which failed to get the necessary two-thirds majority needed for passage. His record on economic issues was mixed but generally liberal. He voted against phasing out many farm subsidy programs, lawsuit reform measures such as the Private Securities Litigations Reform Act, and he was one of the twelve senators to vote against the Personal Responsibility Act of 1995, a welfare reform bill vetoed by President Clinton. Kerrey's record on environmental issues and taxation was more moderate, and he was a strong supporter of free trade and limiting the size of the federal government." And check out Nelson's record on wwwprogressivepunch.com Ben Nelson votes with the progressives almost HALF of the time (in 48% of the votes). By contrast, of the 55 Republican Senators, 45 of them take progressive positions less than 15% of the time. Not one Republican Senator is as progressive as Nelson. Chaffee (at 44%) and Specter (35%) are the closest. Again, the vast majority of the Republicans vote progressive positions less than 15% of the time.
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| -Why you should hold your nose and vote for a DINO in the general election. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:02 PM |
#0 |
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This Kind Of Equivocating Is What Got Us Here |
mhr |
Jun-30-06 05:05 PM |
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yep, you got it |
ixion |
Jun-30-06 05:26 PM |
#10 |
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Ever since the emergence of broken machines, deceptively designed ballots, |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:33 PM |
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uh, no, I developed that opinion all by myself, by observing |
ixion |
Jun-30-06 05:35 PM |
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Is there a particular Democratic candidate you're talking about? |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:41 PM |
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No |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Jul-01-06 07:53 AM |
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Exactly! |
MercutioATC |
Jun-30-06 05:28 PM |
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Which Senators are you referring to specifically? |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:35 PM |
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Who's US?? |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 08:12 PM |
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Stolen elections are what got us here. Gore won, without question, |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:30 PM |
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So, what would you have us do? |
Clark2008 |
Jun-30-06 06:26 PM |
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I'm with you. Fifty percent versus ten percent isn't close. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 07:39 PM |
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Relevant ...YES.....Stupid...NO! Getting out to VOTE is a GOOD started!! |
NativeTexan |
Jul-01-06 12:15 AM |
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Yes. n/t |
LWolf |
Jul-01-06 06:29 PM |
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That's what they always tell us. I'm sick of working and voting for |
Southsideirish |
Jul-04-06 12:36 PM |
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Unless there's a viable Dem challenger - like Ned Lamont in CT... |
ClassWarrior |
Jun-30-06 05:08 PM |
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That's why I specifically referred to the GENERAL election. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:17 PM |
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A DINO will vote with Bush and the Repukes anyway... |
IanDB1 |
Jun-30-06 05:08 PM |
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Seriously. Why do ppl insist the DINO will side with Dems on anything impo |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jun-30-06 05:09 PM |
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Why do ppl call them "DINO"s when they are better than any repub? |
skipos |
Jun-30-06 05:32 PM |
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You're right. Nelson seems to be doing a good job representing the people |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:38 PM |
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He certainly is a conservative Democrat, but that said |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 08:09 PM |
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Voted against raising the minimum wage? Are you sure? |
skipos |
Jun-30-06 08:13 PM |
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In MARCH 2005, yes he did--but it's an ELECTION year, you see... |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 08:27 PM |
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And I think that's what Cantwell did on the Alito cloture vote. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 09:28 PM |
#85 |
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Yep, it's all tactics and strategy |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 09:36 PM |
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You state that Cantwell, by supporting Alito, was positioning herself |
rhett o rick |
Jul-03-06 09:34 AM |
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And Nelson's presence keeps us one vote closer to a majority in the |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 08:22 PM |
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You and me both!!! |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 08:39 PM |
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Bob Kerrey also represented his constituency... |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-30-06 11:11 PM |
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Good for Kerrey for pulling that off. |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 12:08 AM |
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My point was greatness vs mediocrity |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-01-06 04:33 PM |
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Kerrey had decisive war credentials, though, and the one leg to prove |
MADem |
Jul-01-06 12:11 AM |
#102 |
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Kerry was Governor, too, from 83-87. He was Senator from 89-2001. |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 12:20 AM |
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I know, but my point, (which I didn't make but that was in my head) |
MADem |
Jul-01-06 12:29 AM |
#110 |
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I think I understood you all right . . . except I guess I didn't. |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 12:33 AM |
#112 |
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Heh heh...I always regarded NE as a kinda populist place |
MADem |
Jul-01-06 12:45 AM |
#114 |
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Well, the war hero thing IS kind of a big deal . . . |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 02:25 AM |
#115 |
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I've lived in Nebraska and still have family there ... |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-01-06 09:01 AM |
#128 |
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He was also an exceptional politician and charismatic speaker |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-01-06 04:40 PM |
#143 |
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And a kazillion girlfriends!! |
MADem |
Jul-02-06 11:03 PM |
#149 |
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A DEM MAJORITY MEANS DEM COMMITTEE CHAIRS |
emulatorloo |
Jun-30-06 05:41 PM |
#30 |
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Please, please, lose your purity! |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:44 PM |
#32 |
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Exactly. At the very least, it's a numbers game. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-01-06 09:36 AM |
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It makes them feel better so they can try to make people vote |
Pithy Cherub |
Jun-30-06 06:09 PM |
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How do you expect to EVER find anyone to vote for then? |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 07:44 PM |
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My choice on whom to vote for is not your business. |
Pithy Cherub |
Jul-01-06 11:03 AM |
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Many of the people DU'ers like to call DINO's aren't DINO's at all. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:16 PM |
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Well said |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 05:29 PM |
#13 |
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Right. Ted Stevens isn't come here to fight Cantwell because she's a DINO |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:45 PM |
#33 |
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Well, my problem with Sen. Clinton isn't her voting record, |
Clark2008 |
Jun-30-06 07:08 PM |
#51 |
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That could be a good reason to back someone else in the Presidential |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 07:41 PM |
#56 |
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Hillary isn't quite a DINO, but she sure as hell isn't progressive. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Jun-30-06 08:45 PM |
#79 |
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People who have researched her whole voting record know otherwise. |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 12:18 AM |
#105 |
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Is Hillary Clinton a Liberal? |
IanDB1 |
Jul-01-06 06:32 PM |
#147 |
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But many of them ARE! n/t |
ChipsAhoy |
Jun-30-06 08:52 PM |
#81 |
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True. Mine, however... nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-01-06 09:36 AM |
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Well, now that's a fairly good argument, but it still doesn't |
Clark2008 |
Jun-30-06 06:56 PM |
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AND with a majority we can reject people like Alito and Roberts. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 07:45 PM |
#58 |
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Wrong! They could have Filibustered Alito - and they should have done it! |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-01-06 08:47 AM |
#124 |
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What if people like LIEberman don't vote for the subponaes? |
IanDB1 |
Jun-30-06 08:44 PM |
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The majority leader decides who leads what committee and doesn't |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 10:10 PM |
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Lieberman doesn't make the decision, Pat Leahy does |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-30-06 11:22 PM |
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Thanks for the info, Hippo_Tron. |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 12:12 AM |
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You do realize that if we had the MAJORITY!!! |
LynneSin |
Jul-01-06 08:38 AM |
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I don't need to hold my nose to vote for a dem ever |
skipos |
Jun-30-06 05:08 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-30-06 05:09 PM |
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The name is familiar.. what's the story? nt |
skipos |
Jun-30-06 05:28 PM |
#11 |
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Yes, Yes... I am your Google-Slave... |
IanDB1 |
Jun-30-06 05:33 PM |
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She also is pro-choice and anti-guns. Unlike the Republican. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:56 PM |
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Chaupette was only semi-anti-choice |
IanDB1 |
Jun-30-06 08:53 PM |
#82 |
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I voted "R" in my city's last Mayoral election. |
MercutioATC |
Jun-30-06 05:29 PM |
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Not in any election I have ever participated in. |
skipos |
Jun-30-06 05:34 PM |
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Sometimes, the Repub is still the better choice. |
MercutioATC |
Jun-30-06 05:39 PM |
#27 |
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No, it the republican majorities and our republican president |
skipos |
Jun-30-06 05:52 PM |
#34 |
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Well said, skipos. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 06:08 PM |
#41 |
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Yuck. I was all set to support you . . . |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 06:07 PM |
#40 |
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That's a mighty broad brush you're painting with... |
MercutioATC |
Jun-30-06 06:39 PM |
#49 |
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I guess in that case I would want to dig deeper into the issues, |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 07:28 PM |
#52 |
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BTW, Candidate #1 did win the election in a landslide. |
MercutioATC |
Jun-30-06 08:07 PM |
#64 |
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I give up. You're right. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 08:18 PM |
#70 |
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I'm torn...not on theory, but on principle. |
MercutioATC |
Jun-30-06 09:14 PM |
#83 |
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Do you have a Democratic Senator or Congressperson whom you will |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 10:13 PM |
#90 |
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I don't know yet. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-01-06 12:33 AM |
#111 |
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Well, I know you'll keep pondering, and not go off half-cocked. |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 02:27 AM |
#116 |
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Nope. I'm not rushing into a decision... |
MercutioATC |
Jul-01-06 09:48 AM |
#133 |
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A local election is different, and I should have made that clear in |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 06:01 PM |
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I should have made it clear that I was talking about federal elections. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:56 PM |
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I agree skipos. The decision is rather clear-cut. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 05:17 PM |
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I wont waste my vote on one. They always vote repug anyway |
lastknowngood |
Jun-30-06 05:34 PM |
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See my post 24 - Dem majority means DEM COMMITTEE CHAIRS |
emulatorloo |
Jun-30-06 05:37 PM |
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Who is the "they" ? I see so many name-callers refer to various |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 06:00 PM |
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The time to fight DINOs is in the primary |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jun-30-06 05:35 PM |
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Thanks ayeshahaqqiqa. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 06:03 PM |
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WAKE UP PURISTS! REPUG Committee Chairs are a HUGE PROBLEM also |
emulatorloo |
Jun-30-06 05:35 PM |
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Hey, you are being logical. We don't take kindly to logic in |
skipos |
Jun-30-06 05:39 PM |
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LOL - as you can tell it is an obsession of mine |
emulatorloo |
Jun-30-06 05:43 PM |
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send an email to Joe Lieberman |
darboy |
Jun-30-06 06:11 PM |
#43 |
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I have been a defender of Lieberman for many months |
skipos |
Jun-30-06 06:18 PM |
#47 |
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That's basically how I feel, too. If he throws himself overboard, |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 07:47 PM |
#59 |
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Could he do as Jeffords did, and announce that he was voting |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 07:30 PM |
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last I heard, he wasnt -- AT ANY RATE, PLS VOTE FOR THE DEM eom |
emulatorloo |
Jun-30-06 08:19 PM |
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oh that is not for certain |
darboy |
Jul-01-06 07:52 AM |
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You forgot James Inhofe |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-30-06 11:28 PM |
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There are purists, and there are purists. |
LWolf |
Jul-03-06 09:56 AM |
#155 |
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Are you the same people who tell us |
darboy |
Jun-30-06 06:13 PM |
#44 |
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Go ahead and work for someone else in the primary, if you honestly |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 07:50 PM |
#60 |
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why is electability the end of politics |
darboy |
Jul-01-06 08:29 AM |
#121 |
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Bravo! |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-01-06 09:08 AM |
#129 |
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Oh, yeah, I'm so glad that "bullying" didn't work... |
Kerry4Kerry |
Jul-01-06 04:01 PM |
#140 |
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The DINO you and I have in mind had the opportunity to fillibuster |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-30-06 06:14 PM |
#45 |
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If Cantwell had been part of a Democratic MAJORITY, neither Alito nor |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 08:01 PM |
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Well stated lumberjack. nm |
rhett o rick |
Jul-03-06 09:28 AM |
#152 |
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Of course. A DINO is better than any Republican. n/t |
ginnyinWI |
Jun-30-06 06:15 PM |
#46 |
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Unfortunately, a fair number of DU'ers appear to disagree with you. |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 12:21 AM |
#107 |
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I don't have to - all our Ohio Dem candidates are good |
OzarkDem |
Jun-30-06 07:37 PM |
#54 |
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That's music to my ears. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 08:04 PM |
#62 |
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"You, and your principles" |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-30-06 08:04 PM |
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We don't start weeding them out until we have some more grass in place. |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 08:10 PM |
#66 |
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You know, that is a GOOD question! |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 08:16 PM |
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since you're asking ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-30-06 08:29 PM |
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OK, so you are a ONE ISSUE VOTER |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 08:36 PM |
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yes, we're all pragmatists |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-30-06 08:48 PM |
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I didn't say anything about getting out in a year, you must be confusing |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 09:21 PM |
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no, i realize you didn't |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-30-06 09:33 PM |
#86 |
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Well, when you go to vote, if you go to vote |
MADem |
Jun-30-06 09:40 PM |
#88 |
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How do the "end the war in a year" Democrats NOT put pressure on the |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 10:40 PM |
#95 |
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In what sense are you a pragmatist? |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 10:32 PM |
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Okay, your expression was "sold us down the river," which is a reference |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 10:22 PM |
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i didn't use the term loathsome |
welshTerrier2 |
Jun-30-06 08:24 PM |
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Are you saying that even in the 2008 general election you won't vote |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 10:27 PM |
#92 |
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Selling people down the river is worse than loathsome, historically, |
pnwmom |
Jun-30-06 10:30 PM |
#93 |
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THEY sold US down the river by allowing Alito to become a SC justice n/t |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-01-06 08:50 AM |
#125 |
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In a general election, sure |
Strawman |
Jun-30-06 11:26 PM |
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How do you decide who is a DINO? Just wondering. |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 12:23 AM |
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You know it when you see THEM and they are paid off by corporations |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-01-06 08:55 AM |
#127 |
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Why we should form popular movements... |
Terran1212 |
Jul-01-06 12:08 AM |
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Popular movements are good for pulling us in a better direction -- as long |
pnwmom |
Jul-01-06 12:25 AM |
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Yes! |
MercutioATC |
Jul-01-06 12:39 AM |
#113 |
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Great - how many more years of Republican majority should I suffer though? |
LynneSin |
Jul-01-06 08:40 AM |
#123 |
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No one wants that! |
Terran1212 |
Jul-01-06 12:00 PM |
#135 |
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Then we need both a short term and long term plan |
LynneSin |
Jul-01-06 03:41 PM |
#139 |
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I believe Dkos has been a co-opted wing of the Democratic Party |
Terran1212 |
Jul-01-06 06:02 PM |
#144 |
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(D) is just a letter |
anewdeal |
Jul-01-06 04:51 AM |
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Agree! |
ShortnFiery |
Jul-01-06 08:54 AM |
#126 |
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Not to the other (D)s who derive power from a possible majority. |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-03-06 10:16 AM |
#158 |
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"nibbling around the edges of the conservative block" |
rman |
Jul-01-06 05:16 AM |
#118 |
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Never fear. I won't be voting for our DINO in the primaries |
JerseygirlCT |
Jul-01-06 09:35 AM |
#130 |
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Hold my nose and vote for a DINO in the GE? |
Totally Committed |
Jul-01-06 12:08 PM |
#136 |
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LOL! What a brilliant plan! |
paulk |
Jul-01-06 12:36 PM |
#137 |
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I advocate this: |
LWolf |
Jul-03-06 10:01 AM |
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Sounds good to me! eom |
Totally Committed |
Jul-03-06 10:12 AM |
#157 |
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why don't you just write in your own name every time? |
onenote |
Jul-03-06 10:38 AM |
#160 |
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I'm not running for office. |
LWolf |
Jul-03-06 01:27 PM |
#164 |
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actually, a "responsible" use of your vote |
paulk |
Jul-03-06 12:35 PM |
#162 |
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Having cast votes |
LWolf |
Jul-03-06 01:22 PM |
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how is it common sense to throw away your vote on a candidate |
paulk |
Jul-03-06 02:17 PM |
#165 |
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what i don't understand is voting for a non-candidate? |
onenote |
Jul-03-06 02:21 PM |
#166 |
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I'm dumfounded by it |
paulk |
Jul-03-06 02:40 PM |
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To answer your question/s: |
LWolf |
Jul-03-06 03:15 PM |
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you reject the idea that voting for a Dem, even one you find |
paulk |
Jul-04-06 12:24 PM |
#170 |
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I never said I rejected the idea of voting for a Dem. |
LWolf |
Jul-04-06 05:44 PM |
#173 |
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Not even for Judiciary Chairman John Conyers? |
ClassWarrior |
Jul-03-06 10:17 AM |
#159 |
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I've held my nose in many cases, for I will never vote Republican |
MODemocrat |
Jul-01-06 02:54 PM |
#138 |
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I'd vote for a bolgna sandwich if it had a D after it, I will not vote G |
rosebud57 |
Jul-01-06 04:11 PM |
#141 |
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The term DINO |
AtomicKitten |
Jul-01-06 06:22 PM |
#145 |
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kicking n/t |
emulatorloo |
Jul-02-06 04:33 PM |
#148 |
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That's no problem in Texas.... |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-03-06 09:19 AM |
#150 |
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Maria Cantwell has done nothing to prevent the current SCOTUS makeup. |
rhett o rick |
Jul-03-06 09:24 AM |
#151 |
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I object to the term DINO...in virtually all cases... |
SaveElmer |
Jul-03-06 09:42 AM |
#154 |
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well said |
onenote |
Jul-03-06 10:39 AM |
#161 |
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better a dino in a democratic controlled house or senate |
samsingh |
Jul-03-06 02:41 PM |
#168 |
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Throw the shoe on the other foot... |
VirginiaDem |
Jul-04-06 01:57 PM |
#172 |