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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:12 PM
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55. Even were they still alive,
POW is a term that has two meanings. One is appropriate, if we're at war; the other is impossible.

The first: they're prisoners, captured in war. Sort of a generic term, equal to 'war prisoners'. Not what's meant when we talk about POWs in Guantanamo.

The second: a status as defined by the Geneva Conventions. It's precisely why we talk about Gitmo and POWs, and precisely why * does not refer to the detainees as POWs. But, alas, the Iraqis can have no POWs in this sense, because the Geneva Conventions have no relevance for them. They are voluntary, and require a signature before they are relevant.
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  -The two "kidnapped" soldiers... jenmito  Jun-19-06 02:51 PM   #0 
  - Buzzword.  TomInTib   Jun-19-06 02:54 PM   #1 
  - Edited to have to disagree...  jenmito   Jun-19-06 03:06 PM   #4 
  - But we are not there for police work we are "at war"  Bandit   Jun-20-06 11:09 AM   #50 
  - I think "POW 'has a much nastier ring to it personaly  MGD   Jun-19-06 03:17 PM   #7 
  - It portrays the attackers as criminals and the soldiers  endarkenment   Jun-19-06 03:19 PM   #8 
  - Now that you mention it...  jenmito   Jun-19-06 03:24 PM   #10 
     - Flip-flopper?  tavalon   Jun-19-06 10:17 PM   #40 
  - Darn it...  jenmito   Jun-19-06 03:21 PM   #9 
  - Maybe they are just "enemy combatants" and no rule apply like GITOMO?  cantstandbush   Jun-19-06 09:33 PM   #36 
  - Turnabout's fair play  Squeech   Jun-19-06 02:57 PM   #2 
  - i don't think we're at war, either...  jenmito   Jun-19-06 03:09 PM   #5 
  - I hate to say this  alyce douglas   Jun-20-06 08:44 AM   #49 
  - All right, I've had enough  tn-guy   Jun-20-06 03:39 PM   #53 
     - Sorry  Squeech   Jun-20-06 05:59 PM   #57 
     - I'm sorry, too  tn-guy   Jun-20-06 08:42 PM   #58 
     - and yet the U.S. does NONE of that regarding POW's  arcane1   Jun-27-06 03:13 PM   #61 
  - I apologize  BOSSHOG   Jun-19-06 02:58 PM   #3 
  - The framing edict has been sent out to the submissive media.  endarkenment   Jun-19-06 03:17 PM   #6 
  - Even falls for the deception  Check12   Jun-19-06 05:26 PM   #23 
  - Arggg!!!  Check12   Jun-19-06 06:22 PM   #26 
     - So did I...  jenmito   Jun-19-06 07:28 PM   #29 
  - Enemy combatants, perhaps? eom  stopbush   Jun-19-06 03:24 PM   #11 
  - What contempt they have for us.  blindpig   Jun-19-06 03:41 PM   #12 
  - The AP now has stories with wording "Captured"  larissa   Jun-19-06 03:42 PM   #13 
  - Good. Thanks for the link! :)  jenmito   Jun-19-06 03:44 PM   #15 
  - I just clicked on the link and it says "kidnapped" did they change  Check12   Jun-19-06 05:05 PM   #19 
  - Larissa, Look in your web file cache to see if they changed the  Check12   Jun-19-06 05:30 PM   #24 
  - I havent seen much on this story...  Karmakaze   Jun-19-06 03:44 PM   #14 
  - The three of them were stationed at a checkpoint in sunniland  endarkenment   Jun-19-06 04:00 PM   #16 
  - There are no enemy soldiers, no rebellion, only "terrorists" apparently.  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-19-06 09:17 PM   #35 
  - The treasonous, rat bastard keeps touting the "War President" BS...  fooj   Jun-19-06 04:01 PM   #17 
  - The neocon assholes can't have it both ways.  Check12   Jun-19-06 05:16 PM   #22 
  - Randi is right  grateful581   Jun-19-06 04:18 PM   #18 
  - Even Olbermann said they were kidnapped! n/t  jenmito   Jun-19-06 07:27 PM   #28 
     - I know  grateful581   Jun-19-06 07:44 PM   #30 
        - Best I recall bush said he was invading Iraq to remove Saddam  lyonn   Jun-20-06 01:58 AM   #46 
        - Even were they still alive,  igil   Jun-20-06 05:12 PM   #55 
  - Kick, this is important!  Check12   Jun-19-06 05:11 PM   #20 
  - Randi is right on with this....More propaganda from the pretend  Nimrod2005   Jun-19-06 05:14 PM   #21 
  - And the one each, horse's patootie, Tony Snow says, don't focus  ShortnFiery   Jun-19-06 05:32 PM   #25 
  - BBC News gets it right of course!  Check12   Jun-19-06 07:07 PM   #27 
  - Do Solders that get "kidnapped" get POW benefits?  grateful581   Jun-19-06 07:54 PM   #31 
  - Very good question!  Check12   Jun-19-06 08:10 PM   #33 
  - We know TWO of our troops who were "kidnapped" did...  jenmito   Jun-19-06 09:03 PM   #34 
     - Are they kidnapped and HURT or captured and WOUNDED?  Ouabache   Jun-20-06 12:47 AM   #45 
        - Good point, but now we know they were...  jenmito   Jun-20-06 12:27 PM   #52 
  - On LKL, they have a show about the soldiers...  jenmito   Jun-19-06 08:06 PM   #32 
  - POW is a political-oriented status  Tarc   Jun-19-06 09:44 PM   #37 
  - Depends on who actually took them...  Solon   Jun-19-06 09:56 PM   #38 
  - Then they must be unlawful combatants.  Check12   Jun-19-06 10:08 PM   #39 
  - Some blogger was calling them "detained"  dmesg   Jun-19-06 10:28 PM   #41 
  - How well are these detainees going to be treated  Disturbed   Jun-20-06 12:20 AM   #42 
  - we are not at war  leftofthedial   Jun-20-06 12:28 AM   #43 
  - yes they are POWs if 911 was an act of war and not a crime  Ouabache   Jun-20-06 12:29 AM   #44 
  - Nope, no "war" here  LeftListener   Jun-20-06 02:16 AM   #47 
  - actually that was a declaration of war  tn-guy   Jun-20-06 03:45 PM   #54 
  - No connection between 911 and Iraq.  endarkenment   Jun-20-06 08:38 AM   #48 
     - The events of 911 are irrelevant.  ECH1969   Jun-20-06 12:00 PM   #51 
        - 'al qaeda in iraq' most likely not the same group.  endarkenment   Jun-21-06 07:27 AM   #60 
  - where were the IRAQI TROOPS??  bluedog   Jun-20-06 05:39 PM   #56 
  - They have become DIA now...  rasputin1952   Jun-20-06 09:00 PM   #59 

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