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Tue May-30-06 04:36 AM
Response to Reply #53 |
| 54. Kerry needed his own strong response |
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and his own ads- which he "held off" during late July and August, under the assumption that he "wouldn't have enough money" (which turned out- as we know- to have been a gross miscalculation- he 10's of millions left over after November 4).
We argued and argued about that- Kerry going blank- and lying back and taking it. Relying on surrugates to fight that battle (and going blank on the air) was suicidally stupid-
And sure enough, those of us who remember the Dukakis campaign called that deja vu- his reticence did indeed cost him his momentum- and the election. It's possible he could have salvaged it, had he come out forcefully in answer to Bush's "if you knew then what you know now" challenge about the war.
But he didn't. He ended up giving some wishy washy answer instead. That right at the beginning of Sept, if I recall.
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| -Two years too late - DUers STILL ignoring Swiftliar data ignore the TRUTH |
blm |
May-29-06 03:28 PM |
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there's too little interest in the truth at DU sometimes |
ginnyinWI |
May-29-06 03:37 PM |
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For a bunch of posters who hate the corporate media they sure do repeat it |
blm |
May-29-06 03:48 PM |
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What's getting me is that some thing that fighting for the truth |
LittleClarkie |
May-29-06 06:13 PM |
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And the fact is that O'Neil and his gang are still at it. |
ginnyinWI |
May-29-06 08:50 PM |
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And don't forget the recent swipe by Michelle Malkin |
LittleClarkie |
May-30-06 12:46 AM |
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We're not ignoring it |
MindMatter |
May-29-06 03:58 PM |
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What approach besides debunking the lies do you suggest? n/t |
ProSense |
May-29-06 04:02 PM |
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How about ... |
MindMatter |
May-29-06 07:16 PM |
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You ARE IGNORING the FACT that he DID call them out and the MEDIA MACHINE |
blm |
May-29-06 04:14 PM |
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He couched everything in such obtuse language ... |
MindMatter |
May-29-06 07:18 PM |
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More media CLAPTRAP - He did nothing of the sort and you're PROVING that |
blm |
May-29-06 07:22 PM |
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Why is this important now? |
globalvillage |
May-29-06 04:24 PM |
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Dem vets running in '06 will no doubt be swiftboated |
eleny |
May-29-06 04:44 PM |
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Bingo, my sentiments exactly. |
cassiepriam |
May-29-06 05:07 PM |
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Kerry's refusal...has resulted in many lives being lost? Nonsense! |
ProSense |
May-29-06 05:44 PM |
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Except that your assertion has been proven FALSE in the DU Research Forum |
blm |
May-29-06 06:12 PM |
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It does matter. |
drm604 |
May-29-06 07:24 PM |
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I think it's relevant to Kerry, though. |
ginnyinWI |
May-29-06 08:57 PM |
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Wjo cares? It's over. Kerry sunk his own ship with his stupid |
bowens43 |
May-29-06 04:42 PM |
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That's a RW media lie - Nixon planted that phoney meme - nice of you and |
blm |
May-29-06 04:53 PM |
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Why do you call anyone elses opinion a RW lie if its different from yours? |
mtnsnake |
May-29-06 10:06 PM |
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Truth is different from opinion, it actually exists and can be verified |
glitch |
May-30-06 11:50 AM |
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When did RW lies become facts or the basis for Dem's opinions? |
blm |
May-30-06 12:22 PM |
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Thanks for being an example of exactly what this thread is about |
Der Blaue Engel |
May-29-06 04:59 PM |
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bingo--you nailed it perfectly. n/t |
ginnyinWI |
May-29-06 09:02 PM |
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What was phony about it |
karynnj |
May-29-06 08:32 PM |
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It's not over for the '06 Fighting Dems. nt |
MH1 |
May-29-06 08:34 PM |
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I loved when he did that |
redwitch |
May-30-06 06:54 AM |
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Another hit and run bash post |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-30-06 12:35 PM |
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Good post, blm. |
Major Hogwash |
May-29-06 07:38 PM |
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They trashed Murtha and are trashing vets running in 2006. |
blm |
May-29-06 07:46 PM |
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OK, OK, I'm convinced already |
Canuckistanian |
May-29-06 08:09 PM |
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THANK YOU!!! I agree - the media is an overlooked enemy and it doesn't |
blm |
May-29-06 08:36 PM |
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Dems are too used to seeing Dems get victimized by the media |
ginnyinWI |
May-29-06 09:10 PM |
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"I was astounded by the actual things he did to counter the lies." |
blm |
May-29-06 09:17 PM |
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Why are people fighting about this now? |
LoZoccolo |
May-29-06 09:18 PM |
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NYT article about Kerry and the swifts. Plus, some 06 candidates are being |
blm |
May-29-06 09:23 PM |
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The best way to get people to understand is berate them, too. |
LoZoccolo |
May-29-06 09:33 PM |
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It was a counter to a thread who chose the opposite interpretation of the |
blm |
May-29-06 09:50 PM |
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It's not just about the swiftliars...it's about |
Catchawave |
May-29-06 09:22 PM |
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Except now Kissinger's papers reveal that Kerry was telling the TRUTH to |
blm |
May-29-06 09:25 PM |
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I have no problem with Kerry telling |
Catchawave |
May-29-06 09:29 PM |
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Did you read the Kissinger document? |
blm |
May-29-06 09:30 PM |
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Yes. |
Catchawave |
May-29-06 09:34 PM |
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I think your numbers are WAY OFF. |
blm |
May-29-06 09:45 PM |
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Military votes too |
MH1 |
May-29-06 09:49 PM |
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I'm married to a vet... |
Catchawave |
May-29-06 09:56 PM |
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I think that is just WEIRD - I stick to truth and facts - they matter. |
blm |
May-29-06 10:02 PM |
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Well you know |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-29-06 11:08 PM |
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Didn't Kerry win a county in Virginia with heavy vet numbers that hadn't |
blm |
May-30-06 02:38 PM |
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Yep |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-30-06 06:44 PM |
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Yep, that's it. Thanks. |
blm |
May-30-06 07:08 PM |
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I bet you're not supporting Jim Webb then ? |
Catchawave |
May-31-06 01:38 PM |
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Your sample size is unimpressive |
karynnj |
May-30-06 04:34 PM |
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LOL.... |
Catchawave |
May-31-06 01:41 PM |
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Most of them will never vote for a Dem anyway. |
Mass |
May-30-06 06:30 AM |
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Statistics please |
karynnj |
May-30-06 04:26 PM |
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Kerry should keep fighting it - good for him |
OzarkDem |
May-29-06 09:23 PM |
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I'd like to report a problem with the system. |
MindMatter |
May-29-06 09:29 PM |
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They're using it as a template to DEFEND other vets running for office. |
blm |
May-29-06 09:36 PM |
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You may need to turn your system off for awhile. nt |
MH1 |
May-29-06 09:51 PM |
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Any attempt to deal with the "swiftboating" issue will help all candidates |
OzarkDem |
May-29-06 10:14 PM |
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Bingo - he has already funded a group to defend ALL Dem vets who speak out |
blm |
May-30-06 09:15 AM |
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Nobody is ignoring anything |
depakid |
May-29-06 10:07 PM |
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The link in the OP contradicts your statement n/t |
ProSense |
May-30-06 01:03 AM |
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I have my August 2004 emails |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 01:33 AM |
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Kerry needed his own strong response |
depakid |
May-30-06 04:36 AM |
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"argued and argued about that" |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 04:58 AM |
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What we argued about |
depakid |
May-30-06 05:20 AM |
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The campaign put the rebuttals out there |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 05:31 AM |
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Hey- I saw a disaster in the making |
depakid |
May-30-06 05:42 AM |
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That was the 3rd attack |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 05:56 AM |
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I have a very good memory |
depakid |
May-30-06 06:07 AM |
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I have links |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 06:15 AM |
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Sitting on the sidelines? |
depakid |
May-30-06 06:30 AM |
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My god YES |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 06:54 AM |
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Well, my hope is that |
depakid |
May-30-06 07:11 AM |
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The problem is intimidated voters |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 07:23 AM |
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Easy answer to that |
depakid |
May-30-06 07:31 AM |
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Harry Reid |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 07:35 AM |
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Harry Reid is part of the problem- |
depakid |
May-30-06 07:54 AM |
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Their voters don't quiver |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 07:58 AM |
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I disagree |
depakid |
May-30-06 08:14 AM |
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Listen, right this second |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 08:33 AM |
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Reid shot himself in the foot! |
depakid |
May-30-06 08:47 AM |
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Yep, perpetual cynic |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 08:51 AM |
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Appears Reid did nothing wrong in taking those tickets! |
ProSense |
May-30-06 03:48 PM |
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Ethics are ethics- I've studied them myself |
depakid |
May-30-06 04:00 PM |
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Did you even read the whole article |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-30-06 07:25 AM |
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Wrong |
depakid |
May-30-06 07:45 AM |
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You are missing the most basic point |
MindMatter |
May-30-06 01:58 PM |
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Not if it goes to court and PREVENTS it from happening to the next guy. |
blm |
May-30-06 02:41 PM |
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Show me where Bush did that |
sandnsea |
May-30-06 05:14 PM |
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You are wasting your time.. |
sendero |
May-30-06 07:17 AM |
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Except that I DID say I didn't steal the bake sale money. |
globalvillage |
May-30-06 07:49 AM |
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Every leading Dem.. |
sendero |
May-30-06 07:55 AM |
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Clark stood up. n/t |
globalvillage |
May-30-06 07:57 AM |
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I'm not surprised.. |
sendero |
May-30-06 08:03 AM |
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Clark |
CarolNYC |
May-31-06 01:17 PM |
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In a general there are not supposed to be any rivals - it becomes a team. |
blm |
May-30-06 07:13 PM |
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Here's the transcript of that speech. |
MindMatter |
May-30-06 02:24 PM |
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Sadly, many people here are too obtuse to see how it is relevant to the 06 |
Mass |
May-30-06 06:27 AM |
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Wow. How about some panic |
JNelson6563 |
May-30-06 01:54 PM |
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Kerry is working to STOP Swifts from doing it to other vets running in 06 |
blm |
May-30-06 02:44 PM |
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