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Mon May-22-06 05:30 PM
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push the media's portrayal is what I am saying. I agree with BLM, and I'm sorry that you would rather stick with the media's portrayal instead of getting out the truth. Why are you relying on BLM's answer could you not think of one yourself?
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| -I don't understand that Kerry gets so much support to run for President |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 03:09 PM |
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I disagree - |
Mass |
May-22-06 03:12 PM |
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I just don't understand it. I like the guy, I can understand why you |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 03:13 PM |
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WHY? Who else has been submitting Iraq withdrawal plans and applying |
blm |
May-22-06 04:46 PM |
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I'm not charging Kerry with anything. I'm not judging him on anything. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 04:53 PM |
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You do not speak |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-22-06 04:59 PM |
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I'm reporting first-hand experience, from canvassing, and the media's |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:05 PM |
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The media's portrayal |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-22-06 05:12 PM |
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Well, blm is arguing that the media shaped his perception. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:16 PM |
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And YET he got 10 MILLION MORE VOTES than Gore got and 13mil. more than |
blm |
May-22-06 05:19 PM |
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He would rather |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-22-06 05:50 PM |
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So, you do agree that the media influenced public opinion |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:54 PM |
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Yes |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-22-06 05:57 PM |
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That's all. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:59 PM |
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That is good to know |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-22-06 06:14 PM |
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Yes, they did. But we lost Florida. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 06:15 PM |
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Do you NOT think the media will influence public opinion of ANY Democrat? |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-22-06 06:19 PM |
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That you would |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-22-06 05:30 PM |
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I'm not pushing it as true. I'm saying it's out there, and it |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:34 PM |
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Media's influence on what YOU choose to repeat instead of countering. |
blm |
May-22-06 05:50 PM |
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You're not addressing the OP. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:52 PM |
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I addressed the OP and I am addressing your other points made in reply |
blm |
May-22-06 06:18 PM |
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The media did have influence on the public perceptions of John Kerry. |
iilana X |
May-22-06 11:36 PM |
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And what will happen to ANY Dem. You don't HAVE to tell us what's in the |
blm |
May-22-06 05:01 PM |
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Wes Clark - and well before Kerry did. |
Clark2008 |
May-22-06 05:35 PM |
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Please elaborate = and if you're going to answer ONE question, answer them |
blm |
May-22-06 05:48 PM |
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Don't want to answer them all - don't have to. |
Clark2008 |
May-22-06 05:57 PM |
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You wrong. Kerry isn't the only one who has a better plan |
Clarkie1 |
May-23-06 01:04 AM |
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The point is WHO HAS BEEN OUT THERE sticking their neck out on ALL issues |
blm |
May-23-06 07:00 AM |
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Kerry isn't sticking his neck out. |
Clarkie1 |
May-24-06 12:37 AM |
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I see your disagree and raise a bullshit. |
bluerum |
May-22-06 03:32 PM |
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Like I said below, if you don't want to hear it, |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 03:35 PM |
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Well - I think that the war business is bs. Thats all. |
bluerum |
May-22-06 03:39 PM |
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He or she who gets the most votes, wins the primaries. |
MADem |
May-22-06 03:13 PM |
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Yes, I understand that. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 03:17 PM |
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No, I don't think you do understand that, |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 03:29 PM |
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Oh, yes, I DO think I understand how primaries work. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 03:33 PM |
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Sorry, I didn't mean to say, you don't understand how Primaries |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 03:40 PM |
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Your loyalty, absolutely. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 03:42 PM |
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He's a single-issue, monorail guy, DC. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
May-22-06 03:44 PM |
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Could you please enlighten me as to what that "single issue" |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 03:49 PM |
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Iraq war position? |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
May-22-06 03:52 PM |
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How can you say that???? |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 03:59 PM |
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You appear to have compeltely misread my gist. Our friend is the |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
May-22-06 04:07 PM |
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To which I've already responded, below. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 04:09 PM |
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I always try to please. Especially Loonytoons of the BullGoose |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
May-22-06 04:33 PM |
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See how easy it is to make a mistake? |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 04:58 PM |
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Whew!!! |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 04:55 PM |
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Um, wrong target DC. |
MH1 |
May-22-06 04:09 PM |
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Thank you, MH1. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
May-22-06 04:31 PM |
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Just as a political strategy aside, Kerry's numbers two months |
Old Crusoe |
May-22-06 03:19 PM |
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We're going to go through it again no matter who runs |
bananas |
May-22-06 03:19 PM |
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I agree. That's why we have to stay on message |
politicasista |
May-22-06 03:22 PM |
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I would respect Kerry much more if he admitted making a mistake.... |
Minnesota Libra |
May-22-06 03:22 PM |
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He did. He said he regrets it. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 03:23 PM |
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OK so maybe I missed it but I would have thought that............... |
Minnesota Libra |
May-22-06 03:33 PM |
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After all this time, you still "missed it" |
sandnsea |
May-22-06 03:39 PM |
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I don't come to DU everyday, nor do I read every single thread. nt |
Minnesota Libra |
May-22-06 03:48 PM |
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Did you even study Kerry's pre vote speech. |
Kerry fan |
May-22-06 03:49 PM |
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Excellent points but the site you link to is RW- try this one instead: |
MH1 |
May-22-06 04:06 PM |
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Whoa! Thanks, MH1. |
Kerry fan |
May-22-06 04:40 PM |
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'sokay - there's actually some useful stuff at that site. |
MH1 |
May-22-06 07:04 PM |
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Having reservations from the beginning is one thing but.......... |
Minnesota Libra |
May-22-06 04:11 PM |
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Remember the immediate period after 9/11? |
Kerry fan |
May-22-06 05:08 PM |
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Wow, usually at DU the Liberals/Democrats are............... |
Minnesota Libra |
May-22-06 05:31 PM |
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Where have you been? |
karynnj |
May-22-06 04:01 PM |
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Guess what? EVERY DEm is going to get run through the "perception" filter. |
blm |
May-22-06 03:25 PM |
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I think the problem is this particular perception, and how it relates |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 03:30 PM |
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Kerry has been perfectly plain on Iraq. |
MH1 |
May-22-06 03:35 PM |
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That's horsepoo - why buy it? He was NEVER unsure of his position and |
blm |
May-22-06 03:58 PM |
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You know, blm.... |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 04:06 PM |
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Yes, it was media - and Kerry STILL got 10miilion more votes than in 2000. |
blm |
May-22-06 04:12 PM |
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Al Gore is a liar. |
bananas |
May-22-06 04:36 PM |
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All he needs to do is challenge anyone to come forward |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 04:40 PM |
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Then he'd really be making a fool of himself. |
bananas |
May-22-06 05:09 PM |
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That's why you have to confront these issues very directly. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:17 PM |
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But it wouldn't work for Kerry? The mediawhores are now on record saying |
blm |
May-22-06 05:24 PM |
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Anybody would have been |
sandnsea |
May-22-06 03:35 PM |
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It's the economy, stoopid. The New Deal the country needs. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
May-22-06 03:38 PM |
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You should re-read the post. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 03:46 PM |
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Wrong. It was the media's creation. Given a little time, the public's |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
May-22-06 03:54 PM |
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Since the election - now a year and a half later, |
karynnj |
May-22-06 04:15 PM |
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The REVISIONIST version. You either counter it or play into and repeat it |
blm |
May-22-06 04:25 PM |
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What did I repeat? nt |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 04:25 PM |
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You treat the perception as worthy to repeat iinstead of COUNTERING it |
blm |
May-22-06 04:40 PM |
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The *reality* was that a clear message didn't get to the voters. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 04:48 PM |
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The perception was to be fought with the FACTS. Who are the fighting Dems |
blm |
May-22-06 04:51 PM |
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I didn't say he didn't give them one. I said the public didn't get one. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 04:55 PM |
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Here's your own words. |
blm |
May-22-06 05:08 PM |
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Yes, those are my words. And, I clearly said that the public |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:13 PM |
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And you AVOID the FACT that no bigname team showed up to fight on a daily |
blm |
May-22-06 05:16 PM |
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Nothing to do with the OP. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:18 PM |
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Except that you make the case for Gore in other replies. You AVOID the |
blm |
May-22-06 05:28 PM |
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I didn't make a case for Gore, I just used him as a counter-example |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:29 PM |
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They get resolved when the message machine decides to show UP for Dems. |
blm |
May-22-06 05:43 PM |
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Actually, I'm not even sure what that has to do with people sticking up |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 05:31 PM |
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Isn't it amazing? |
iilana X |
May-22-06 11:49 PM |
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What are you afraid of ? |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-22-06 03:44 PM |
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I'll happily support whoever wins the nomination.... |
Old and In the Way |
May-22-06 03:46 PM |
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Me too! |
iilana X |
May-23-06 12:03 AM |
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Kerry didn't make a mistake. He did what he thought was right |
Demobrat |
May-22-06 03:49 PM |
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Says you? |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 03:53 PM |
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Yes, well unfortunately for Kerry |
Demobrat |
May-22-06 04:07 PM |
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"Speak for yourself John" |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 04:51 PM |
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No problem. |
Demobrat |
May-22-06 04:56 PM |
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You loss me |
fedupinBushcountry |
May-22-06 03:54 PM |
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You don't know Kerry. You can't even NAME anyone who has committed more |
blm |
May-22-06 04:03 PM |
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Did you remember the "unforgivable" when you voted against him in 2004? |
ProSense |
May-22-06 04:23 PM |
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I, for one - |
Kerry fan |
May-22-06 04:34 PM |
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Sad, but I have to agree... |
survivor999 |
May-22-06 10:15 PM |
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That is malarky. Pure malarky. |
iilana X |
May-23-06 12:24 AM |
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He enabled Bush to attack a sovereign nation that was no threat to us |
Demobrat |
May-23-06 10:54 PM |
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Actually, YOU are enabling Bush by letting him off the hook |
politicasista |
May-23-06 11:02 PM |
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Actually, I don't give any of them a free pass. |
Demobrat |
May-24-06 12:07 AM |
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Here is where the support comes from |
Warpy |
May-22-06 04:01 PM |
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Not me - someone else won't OPEN THE BOOKS to the extent Kerry will. |
blm |
May-22-06 04:06 PM |
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You would probably get it - |
Kerry fan |
May-22-06 04:02 PM |
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MORE on this - let's say McCain wins the GOP nomination - Well, guess what |
blm |
May-22-06 04:34 PM |
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I'm with you - if it;'s Kerry/ McCain the best investment I could |
karynnj |
May-22-06 05:25 PM |
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He won... |
Blue Shark |
May-22-06 04:41 PM |
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Sure did Gore a lot of good to fight, didn't it? |
Kerry fan |
May-22-06 05:24 PM |
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I think is sort of a nostalgia thing |
Solo_in_MD |
May-22-06 04:50 PM |
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I think he would have made a great President. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-06 04:58 PM |
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Who made you God? Is that a Commandment you wrote? |
blm |
May-22-06 05:13 PM |
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I'm just an observer of the real world like Galileo and Copernicus |
Solo_in_MD |
May-22-06 05:22 PM |
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well, since the GOP owns most broadcast media EVERY Dem is subject to |
blm |
May-22-06 05:33 PM |
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I doubt you are a scientist |
karynnj |
May-23-06 01:03 AM |
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That's not true at all - Nixon is one example: lost to Kennedy in 1960 |
bananas |
May-22-06 05:19 PM |
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40 years ago |
Solo_in_MD |
May-22-06 05:23 PM |
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Does not mean it can't happen again. n/t |
Kerry fan |
May-22-06 05:26 PM |
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You do realize that you are working with small numbers |
karynnj |
May-22-06 06:39 PM |
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Gee guys, we have two "seers" here on DU now!! |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 05:19 PM |
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Many many more than that... |
Solo_in_MD |
May-22-06 05:27 PM |
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And didn't Reagan try 3 times before he got nomination? |
Kerry fan |
May-22-06 05:32 PM |
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I think Kerry would have made a very good President... |
Totally Committed |
May-22-06 05:28 PM |
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Thanks for the kind comments |
karynnj |
May-22-06 05:56 PM |
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JFK and RFK were a brand of candidate not often seen today... |
Totally Committed |
May-22-06 06:07 PM |
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The irony in that is Kerry has been in the position where he has actually |
blm |
May-22-06 07:08 PM |
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I agree totally about his not knowing the media was as complicit |
Totally Committed |
May-22-06 08:04 PM |
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I'm not sure - there was a huge shift in the news media |
karynnj |
May-23-06 12:40 AM |
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Exactly |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-23-06 01:12 AM |
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What if he is better qualified than any one else |
karynnj |
May-22-06 05:37 PM |
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Don't count on it. He's got a damn good chance. |
iilana X |
May-23-06 12:17 AM |
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Then cough up somebody you like better |
LittleClarkie |
May-22-06 05:16 PM |
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I agree --- full steam ahead to success in the 2006 election |
AtomicKitten |
May-22-06 05:25 PM |
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That's cool. If he wins the nom, I'll support him. |
LittleClarkie |
May-22-06 06:14 PM |
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AMEN AND ALLELUIA!! |
discerning christian |
May-22-06 05:25 PM |
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After the man got swiftboated, his character impugned, |
NI4NI |
May-22-06 05:37 PM |
#112 |
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Lame lame lame |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-22-06 06:54 PM |
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This is your opinion |
TayTay |
May-22-06 07:01 PM |
#131 |
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On the contrary |
LevensonK |
May-22-06 08:15 PM |
#135 |
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All the potential Democratic candidates qualify for the top job |
Old Crusoe |
May-22-06 08:16 PM |
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The reason he gets so much support is cuz it's a smoke screen for Hillary |
mtnsnake |
May-22-06 10:27 PM |
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You so figured me out |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-22-06 11:25 PM |
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We thought we had you fooled |
karynnj |
May-23-06 12:49 AM |
#146 |
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I have videos of Kerry speaking loudly and strongly about the war in 2004 |
zulchzulu |
May-23-06 11:03 PM |
#153 |
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And I don't understand why Hillary does.... |
election_2004 |
May-26-06 12:03 AM |
#156 |
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