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Tony Snow uses racial slur on first full press conference day.
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Edited on Tue May-16-06 04:57 PM by onehandle
SNOW: Having said that, I dont want to hug the tar baby of trying to comment on the program, the alleged program, the existence of which I can neither confirm nor deny.

QUESTION: What are your personal goals? What do you hope to achieve here? Will you continue to televise these briefings? And would you put into English the phrase (OFF-MIKE) the tarbaby?

SNOW: Well, I believe hug the tarbaby, we could trace that back to American lore.

Based on the context of the term, we believe you meant tar baby to mean: a situation almost impossible to get out of; a problem virtually unsolvable.

But in American lore, the expression tar baby is also a racial slur used occasionally as a derogatory term for black people. Use of the term has resulted in people being fired. /

Tar Baby:
The expression tar baby is also used occasionally as a derogatory term for black people (in the U.S. it refers to African-Americans; in New Zealand it refers to Maoris), or among blacks as a term for a particularly dark-skinned person. As a result, some people suggest avoiding the use of the term in any context.

The Racial Slur Database:
Tar Baby Represents: Blacks Reasons/Origins: Skin color. From the "Uncle Remus" (Br'er Rabbit) story. /

List of Ethnic Slurs
Tar baby (U.K.; U.S.; and N.Z.) a black child.
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  -Tony Snow uses racial slur on first full press conference day. onehandle  May-16-06 04:15 PM   #0 
  - I always thought of tar baby as an impossible situation, not racial slur  MichiganVote   May-16-06 04:18 PM   #1 
  - Here------>  onehandle   May-16-06 04:26 PM   #9 
  - Oops, wrong place n/t  Jai4WKC08   May-16-06 04:42 PM   #26 
  - There are over 2500 words listed there!!!  Nederland   May-17-06 10:43 AM   #88 
  - Me, too,  mycritters2   May-16-06 04:28 PM   #12 
  - Nope Tar Baby meant an afro-american child as late as the 1970's.  mrcheerful   May-16-06 04:30 PM   #13 
  - Go into a meeting and throw around the term "tar baby".  onehandle   May-16-06 04:35 PM   #16 
  - But I have used the word around my african american friends and  MichiganVote   May-16-06 05:29 PM   #47 
  - I am amazed ~ unless they are under the age of 40 years old  goclark   May-17-06 10:27 AM   #84 
  - I'm not interested in PC, just civilized discourse...  MichiganVote   May-17-06 04:06 PM   #99 
     - It is not civilized discourse to be unaware of the feelings of others  goclark   May-17-06 04:29 PM   #101 
        - You know, you are completely out of line...good luck  MichiganVote   May-17-06 04:42 PM   #102 
  - Where do you live? West Michigan?  slampoet   May-17-06 10:51 AM   #89 
     - My friends are honest with me as am I with them.  MichiganVote   May-17-06 04:04 PM   #98 
  - They use terms like  igil   May-16-06 08:48 PM   #69 
  - Definitely, I'm 36 years old and I knew it as a racial slur  ihelpu2see   May-16-06 10:24 PM   #74 
  - you're wrong on that one  Tunkamerica   May-16-06 05:05 PM   #39 
  - Sorry, you're wrong  ProudDad   May-16-06 11:06 PM   #75 
  - You have the cart before the horse, it seems.  igil   May-16-06 05:07 PM   #40 
  - Thank you. This has been my understanding of the usage also.  MichiganVote   May-16-06 05:31 PM   #48 
  - Informative post, thanks n/t  Steve_DeShazer   May-16-06 06:09 PM   #55 
  - Perhaps that accounts for regional differences  MichiganVote   May-16-06 05:27 PM   #46 
  - I've never heard it used OTHER than as a racial slur  MaineDem   May-16-06 05:53 PM   #52 
     - Same here.  Hepburn   May-16-06 08:18 PM   #67 
     - Well, then you listen to ignoramuses. It's a literary reference.  Bucky   May-17-06 12:28 AM   #76 
     - Well, Bucky, I think "listening to ignoramuses" is a little harsh  MaineDem   May-17-06 10:01 AM   #80 
     - It's obvious he wasn't using it as a racial slur  cmkramer   May-17-06 10:11 AM   #81 
     - Ditto. These people aren't too bright are they?  48percenter   May-17-06 04:26 PM   #100 
  - Don't blame him. I am sure nobody was ever fired from Faux for using it.  MidwestTransplant   May-16-06 04:18 PM   #2 
  - Ya can count on that.  Supersedeas   May-17-06 09:57 AM   #79 
  - I thought he was brought in as . . .  MrModerate   May-16-06 04:18 PM   #3 
  - Yup. This yutz is a putz.  Infomaniac   May-16-06 07:01 PM   #64 
  - There is no rational reason that phrase should be used.  KyndCulture   May-16-06 04:20 PM   #4 
  - It's a weird, odd usage  warrens   May-16-06 04:57 PM   #36 
  - thank the goddess somebody else sees that.  KyndCulture   May-16-06 05:27 PM   #45 
  - I think it was an apt usage  Geoff R. Casavant   May-16-06 05:32 PM   #49 
     - "hug the tar baby" is odd usage, though  fishwax   May-16-06 05:38 PM   #50 
        - odd but not unknown. and apparently Snow's usage of choice  onenote   May-16-06 05:59 PM   #53 
  - Or tar pit.  Infomaniac   May-16-06 06:57 PM   #63 
  - So, other than that, he had nothing else worth mentioning?  Kurovski   May-16-06 04:20 PM   #5 
  - Give me a freakin' break - Snow used the term in the correct context  GregW   May-16-06 04:21 PM   #6 
  - Here's why it was a stupid thing to say  Bucky   May-17-06 12:35 AM   #77 
  - I do not agree.  rodeodance   May-16-06 04:21 PM   #7 
  - Either do I.  fooj   May-16-06 04:25 PM   #8 
  - That's a racial slur?  DoubleDigitIQ   May-16-06 04:26 PM   #10 
  - numerous opponents of Iraq war revealed as racists  onenote   May-16-06 04:26 PM   #11 
  - You can put up a thousand links.  cat_girl25   May-16-06 04:33 PM   #14 
  - well then, let's be even handed and jump on them all  onenote   May-16-06 04:35 PM   #17 
     - I don't jump on anyone.  cat_girl25   May-16-06 04:57 PM   #35 
  - Wow, aren't YOU a buzzkill! LOL!!!! nt  Inland   May-16-06 04:37 PM   #22 
  - Again: Go into a meeting and throw around the term "tar baby".  onehandle   May-16-06 04:49 PM   #29 
  - okay, so its alright for liberals, and news persons, and congresspersons  onenote   May-16-06 04:52 PM   #31 
  - I have and I still have a job  Nederland   May-17-06 10:36 AM   #87 
  - Very Nice  Nederland   May-17-06 10:34 AM   #86 
  - Because nobody thinks Snow was actually making a slur, I pronounce BS  Inland   May-16-06 04:34 PM   #15 
  - He should have known better.  onehandle   May-16-06 04:36 PM   #20 
  - Oh, this sort of hyperventilation only makes DU, not Snow, look bad.  Inland   May-16-06 04:40 PM   #25 
  - nah, its all about games  onenote   May-16-06 04:37 PM   #21 
  - Yeah, but the attack on Hillary made some sense, in that it was  Inland   May-16-06 04:54 PM   #32 
     - exactly  onenote   May-16-06 04:56 PM   #33 
  - Obviously not.  acmejack   May-16-06 04:38 PM   #24 
  - Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby  William Seger   May-16-06 04:35 PM   #18 
  - That's where I know it from  mycritters2   May-16-06 04:57 PM   #34 
  - Indeed they did!  acmejack   May-16-06 04:36 PM   #19 
  - Snow, just a chip off his old boss:  partylessinOhio   May-16-06 04:38 PM   #23 
  - Shows how tone-deaf to racism Snow and his ilk are  Jai4WKC08   May-16-06 04:44 PM   #27 
  - so huffington and kunstler (among others) are all tone deaf racists?  onenote   May-16-06 04:47 PM   #28 
  - Maybe, maybe not.  Jai4WKC08   May-16-06 05:00 PM   #37 
     - Thank you for your wisdom and understanding  goclark   May-17-06 10:20 AM   #83 
  - Well...  William Seger   May-16-06 05:03 PM   #38 
     - same here in nc n/t  Tunkamerica   May-16-06 05:09 PM   #41 
     - Eh... maybe you're right  Jai4WKC08   May-16-06 06:31 PM   #58 
  - the term IS a racial slur.  quantessd   May-16-06 04:50 PM   #30 
  - No problem.  igil   May-16-06 05:11 PM   #42 
  - Good grief! Nobody here's read "Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby?"  Jacobin   May-16-06 05:16 PM   #43 
  - THIS is the story of Brer Rabbit and TarBaby and where term comes from  Jacobin   May-16-06 05:25 PM   #44 
  - So what? I support freedom of speech.  Warner2008   May-16-06 05:49 PM   #51 
  - Oh, for God's sake....  choie   May-16-06 06:01 PM   #54 
  - Double dog dare you to use "hug the tar baby" in a sentence, with the same  mtnester   May-16-06 06:10 PM   #57 
  - The hell? What kind of a dare is that??  choie   May-16-06 06:31 PM   #59 
  - Name calling is always a good way to deal with any situation or discussion  mtnester   May-16-06 09:08 PM   #72 
  - I grew up in a steel town in the mid-West and...  Hepburn   May-16-06 08:23 PM   #68 
  - Huckleberry Finn used the "N word" but that doesn't mean it is ok  yellowcanine   May-17-06 10:30 AM   #85 
  - i find it offensive when it`s aimed at black children  madrchsod   May-16-06 06:10 PM   #56 
  - Meh  bonemachine   May-16-06 06:42 PM   #60 
  - I was raised in the Old South,  bvar22   May-16-06 06:50 PM   #61 
  - Please, he wasn't using it in a racial way  IronLionZion   May-16-06 06:51 PM   #62 
  - This is an odd one, alright.  tinfoilinfor2005   May-16-06 08:14 PM   #65 
     - OK  IronLionZion   May-16-06 09:04 PM   #70 
        - And I'm willing to give even Mr. Snow the benefit of the doubt.  tinfoilinfor2005   May-16-06 09:55 PM   #73 
  - YUCK.  BlueIris   May-16-06 08:17 PM   #66 
  - Snow is the gift who keeps on giving  electron_blue   May-16-06 09:08 PM   #71 
  - Telling...and hilarious....  MrBenchley   May-17-06 06:23 AM   #78 
  - It is from Uncle Remus but it does have racist overtones as well. So a  yellowcanine   May-17-06 10:18 AM   #82 
  - I gave up the use of that phrase a long time ago ..  votesomemore   May-17-06 11:00 AM   #90 
  - I hate the lying POS, but this is not an ethnic slur  leftofthedial   May-17-06 11:12 AM   #91 
  - It's both.  onehandle   May-17-06 01:14 PM   #92 
     - so if he said, "call a spade a spade"  leftofthedial   May-17-06 01:19 PM   #93 
        - This is the Press Secretary of the White House.  onehandle   May-17-06 01:23 PM   #94 
           - I'm sure there will be lies and gaffes aplenty  leftofthedial   May-17-06 01:38 PM   #97 
  - Just because many don't use it as a racial slur  Radio_Guy   May-17-06 01:27 PM   #95 
  - which is why context matters  onenote   May-17-06 01:36 PM   #96 
  - I only knew the Michelle Shocked reference  app_farmer_rb   May-17-06 05:10 PM   #103 

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