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115. Not a "foil", a "standard"...
Kerry was our candidate last time out. Like it or not, that makes him the standard by which others are measured. That can't be done without ever saying his name, making a comparison, or referring to him -- even obliquely. This was never meant to be an anti-Kerry thread, but your defensiveness and combativeness made it one, nevertheless. We need to find a way to talk to each other without this bitterness and recrimination, and not taking offense to every mention of Kerry's name in releation to another candidate would be a start.

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  -Anecdotal Evidence Why Wes Clark '08 xkenx  May-07-06 02:47 PM   #0 
  - And I totally agree.  acmavm   May-07-06 03:04 PM   #1 
  - Wes is the one.  democrank   May-07-06 03:07 PM   #2 
  - I'm with you all the way...  Totally Committed   May-07-06 03:43 PM   #3 
  - Same here.  high density   May-07-06 05:20 PM   #19 
  - If GORE doesn't run, I'll wholeheartedly support Wes Clark  AtomicKitten   May-07-06 03:44 PM   #4 
  - Yes, Wes has developed a political savvy, while  xkenx   May-07-06 03:57 PM   #6 
  - So, he likes that Clark is aligned with Kerry on all those same liberal  blm   May-07-06 03:53 PM   #5 
  - Well, at least Clark didn't vote "yes" on the IWR.  AtomicKitten   May-07-06 04:02 PM   #7 
  - That's not the point is it? The point is that Kerry was too liberal on  blm   May-07-06 04:07 PM   #9 
  - of course * and his regime are to blame  AtomicKitten   May-07-06 04:13 PM   #11 
  - What about the stink of ANY war of the last 35 yrs that has been proven  blm   May-07-06 04:17 PM   #13 
     - No, they didn't.  AtomicKitten   May-07-06 04:28 PM   #15 
        - I spent almost 20yrs in California and heard alot of horror stories from  blm   May-07-06 04:48 PM   #16 
  - As I said down-thread...  Totally Committed   May-07-06 05:48 PM   #23 
  - Yeah - the people who hated Kerry for exposing St. Ronnie Reagan and Bush1  blm   May-08-06 10:20 AM   #74 
     - They have no facts, but it doesn't matter  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 12:19 PM   #92 
  - Breaking: Red-neck conservatives will listen to a liberal General. nt  Clarkie1   May-07-06 10:24 PM   #54 
  - Gore voted for the first Persian Gulf war  wyldwolf   May-08-06 06:58 AM   #67 
     - In fairness to Gore  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 10:21 AM   #75 
        - Sure, in fairness to Gore, who I support...  wyldwolf   May-08-06 05:53 PM   #113 
           - How can you say that the IWR wasn't an authorization for War? when  FrenchieCat   May-09-06 10:57 AM   #126 
              - it was an authorization under specific circumstances  paulk   May-09-06 05:32 PM   #132 
                 - thank you.  wyldwolf   May-09-06 06:55 PM   #134 
                 - I'm sorry....but I read the resolution.....  FrenchieCat   May-09-06 08:34 PM   #136 
                    - the full title of the IWR is - "a joint resolution to authorize the use  paulk   May-10-06 12:42 PM   #137 
                       - EXACTLY - and those who blame the IWR are HELPING Bush to cover up  blm   May-10-06 12:49 PM   #138 
  - That was my point.  xkenx   May-07-06 04:06 PM   #8 
  - YOU'RE not going to point to them that Clark is progressive, but the RNC  blm   May-07-06 04:09 PM   #10 
     - Clark's uniform is the teflon coat  xkenx   May-07-06 04:17 PM   #12 
        - I hope Clark's campaign doesn't operate under that level of naivete.  blm   May-07-06 04:22 PM   #14 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-07-06 11:43 PM   #61 
           - So you disagree that media bestows Teflon? Then Clark won't NEED anyone  blm   May-08-06 11:00 AM   #80 
              - Teflon, to whatever extent present, is not bullet proof  Tom Rinaldo   May-08-06 11:14 AM   #84 
                 - See - you get the point I make - DNC expected Silver and Bronze Stars and  blm   May-08-06 11:26 AM   #89 
        - Don't you see that that was exactly what people  karynnj   May-07-06 04:49 PM   #17 
           - There is a difference between Clark and Kerry's uniform.....  FrenchieCat   May-07-06 05:37 PM   #20 
           - That's not the point  karynnj   May-07-06 06:00 PM   #24 
              - As you know, there is more to a candidate than their experience....  FrenchieCat   May-07-06 07:28 PM   #35 
                 - I think it did help Kerry to win NH  karynnj   May-07-06 08:24 PM   #40 
                    - 2004 was a truncated primary.....  FrenchieCat   May-07-06 08:26 PM   #41 
           - Will someone please explain to me why these pro-Clark threads  Totally Committed   May-07-06 05:44 PM   #22 
              - Read the OP - it says Clark, not Kerry  karynnj   May-07-06 06:08 PM   #25 
              - Well, point taken....  Totally Committed   May-07-06 06:19 PM   #27 
                 - I live in a county where a large number  karynnj   May-07-06 06:28 PM   #29 
                    - Repubs in blue states...  Jai4WKC08   May-07-06 11:42 PM   #60 
              - The OP used Kerry as the foil - as usual. As if all the Dems needed was  blm   May-08-06 10:24 AM   #76 
                 - My OP was reporting a statement of a friend,  xkenx   May-08-06 11:07 AM   #82 
                 - What the public LEARNS about a candidate comes 95% from corporate media.  blm   May-08-06 11:16 AM   #86 
                    - I am NOT naive about Rethugs and corporate media.  xkenx   May-08-06 11:24 AM   #88 
                    - That would be nice - But I expect the fight will come from the pacs now  blm   May-08-06 11:35 AM   #90 
                    - I don't see anyone here  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 12:01 PM   #91 
                       - In what way? Was Clark not a man who rooted out corruption in the military  blm   May-08-06 12:50 PM   #94 
                          - Care to elaborate?  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 01:30 PM   #96 
                             - You said their backstories are so different - I replied, In what way?  blm   May-08-06 01:42 PM   #97 
                                - In reality their choices and values have much in common  Tom Rinaldo   May-08-06 01:53 PM   #99 
                                - Nothing so different that CAN'T be spun is my basic point.  blm   May-08-06 02:09 PM   #103 
                                - What Tom said, and this...  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 02:33 PM   #107 
                                   - The biggest advantage is the tactic itself being OVERLOADED on Kerry in  blm   May-08-06 02:37 PM   #108 
                                      - I have my fingers crossed  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 03:22 PM   #110 
                 - Not a "foil", a "standard"...  Totally Committed   May-08-06 06:20 PM   #115 
  - My son, the Republican,  Totally Committed   May-07-06 05:40 PM   #21 
  - Given his MOTHER's oft posted opinion of Kerry,  karynnj   May-07-06 06:21 PM   #28 
  - Actually, we in this house always loved Kerry -- me, especially...  Totally Committed   May-08-06 02:10 PM   #104 
  - It IS more - Your son APPROVED of Reagan-Bush1 policies that Kerry fought  blm   May-08-06 10:30 AM   #78 
  - He probably doesn't know, but  Jai4WKC08   May-07-06 06:08 PM   #26 
  - That was my point in the OP, but  xkenx   May-07-06 07:22 PM   #32 
  - Of course there is and disconnect.  Clark2008   May-07-06 07:40 PM   #36 
  - So, you are very politely saying  karynnj   May-07-06 08:33 PM   #42 
     - See - you took it the damn wrong way AGAIN  Clark2008   May-07-06 11:41 PM   #59 
        - I did NOT take it the wrong way  karynnj   May-08-06 06:38 AM   #64 
           - Yeah - you did.  Clark2008   May-08-06 11:15 AM   #85 
  - Like a lot of people said ...  Cosmocat   May-07-06 09:40 PM   #48 
     - I think you've hit upon it. Here's my experience.  xkenx   May-07-06 10:04 PM   #52 
        - Yep ...  Cosmocat   May-08-06 06:44 AM   #65 
  - It'd be great with me  union_maid   May-07-06 04:52 PM   #18 
  - A uniform is not everything.  madfloridian   May-07-06 06:47 PM   #30 
  - You're right....it isn't,  FrenchieCat   May-07-06 07:23 PM   #33 
     - Ok, but if this war is not winnable,  karynnj   May-07-06 08:06 PM   #38 
        - I am careful to not engage in Kerry vs Clark type posts  Tom Rinaldo   May-07-06 08:21 PM   #39 
        - Tony, look at my first post (17)  karynnj   May-07-06 08:43 PM   #43 
           - Actually my argument was based on what each had done in real life.....  FrenchieCat   May-07-06 08:54 PM   #45 
              - Do you think the war can be won militarily then?  karynnj   May-07-06 09:45 PM   #49 
                 - Wrong question. What policy will result in the least  Tom Rinaldo   May-07-06 10:06 PM   #53 
                 - No wars can be won militarily  Donna Zen   May-07-06 10:54 PM   #57 
                    - And Wes was instrumental in the negotiation of a peace treaty.....  FrenchieCat   May-07-06 11:22 PM   #58 
        - I don't know if saying we should just leave takes that much courage....  FrenchieCat   May-07-06 08:49 PM   #44 
        - Kerry is not saying "just leave"  karynnj   May-07-06 09:55 PM   #51 
           - I know you think that John Kerry deserves a lot of credit for moving  FrenchieCat   May-07-06 10:35 PM   #56 
        - I disagree...period!  windbreeze   May-07-06 08:55 PM   #46 
           - Read this DUer from a few months ago.  xkenx   May-07-06 10:30 PM   #55 
  - Did your friend know all that about Clark. I doubt it.,  Mass   May-07-06 06:49 PM   #31 
  - I agree that's possible, but  xkenx   May-07-06 07:26 PM   #34 
  - The opinions of the avg repug are not grounded in much truth.  Quakerfriend   May-07-06 08:02 PM   #37 
  - Factinistas  Donna Zen   May-07-06 09:30 PM   #47 
  - Here Here xkenx! K & R  Dinger   May-07-06 09:49 PM   #50 
  - This is all I have to say.  incapsulated   May-08-06 12:08 AM   #62 
  - Don't forget, Charming......  FrenchieCat   May-08-06 12:59 AM   #63 
  - That's all I have to say, too  WesDem   May-08-06 08:33 AM   #68 
  - Two days ago I was at a Dem gathering  JNelson6563   May-08-06 06:49 AM   #66 
  - When the MSM ignores a good Dem. possibility,  xkenx   May-08-06 08:55 AM   #69 
  - Indeed but it was  JNelson6563   May-08-06 10:32 AM   #79 
     - Internet and on the ground campaigning are not mutually exclusive  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 12:55 PM   #95 
        - You overlook a big demographic  JNelson6563   May-08-06 01:57 PM   #102 
           - I didn't overlook them  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 02:54 PM   #109 
  - thank you for the advice  Donna Zen   May-08-06 09:35 AM   #70 
  - There's a difference  JNelson6563   May-08-06 10:18 AM   #73 
     - Doing my best Cary Grant impersonation...  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 11:07 AM   #83 
     - YO, Jai.....I never had gender change surgery......Ken  xkenx   May-08-06 11:16 AM   #87 
     - Oops! Sorry, Ken  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 12:24 PM   #93 
     - By all means then  JNelson6563   May-08-06 01:54 PM   #100 
        - No need to be insulting, or downright untruthful  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 04:11 PM   #111 
           - Wow  JNelson6563   May-09-06 08:00 AM   #119 
              - Haha!  CarolNYC   May-09-06 08:33 AM   #120 
              - This is getting silly  Tom Rinaldo   May-09-06 09:28 AM   #121 
     - Offense?  Donna Zen   May-08-06 01:55 PM   #101 
  - It's always good advice for Democrats to be active in the Party  Tom Rinaldo   May-08-06 10:01 AM   #72 
  - Agreed  JNelson6563   May-08-06 10:28 AM   #77 
     - Your map is misleading BUT it proves your point .  Tom Rinaldo   May-08-06 11:05 AM   #81 
        - Nonsese, I said 4th Cong. District of MI  JNelson6563   May-08-06 01:48 PM   #98 
           - Now I think you are being thin skinned  Tom Rinaldo   May-08-06 02:12 PM   #105 
              - Hmm. Perhaps....  JNelson6563   May-09-06 06:11 AM   #118 
  - I'm so sorry Democrats in your area aren't well-informed  Clark2008   May-08-06 02:30 PM   #106 
  - Yesterday at my County executive committee meeting we didn't even discuss  dogman   May-08-06 04:30 PM   #112 
  - Good point. At my last district meeting  Jai4WKC08   May-08-06 06:00 PM   #114 
  - Hey, gee, here's something different....  CarolNYC   May-08-06 10:51 PM   #117 
     - Shhh, I think Julie might have given up  xkenx   May-09-06 08:34 PM   #135 
  - I don't think this country can wait until 08  mmonk   May-08-06 09:38 AM   #71 
  - Agreed  WesDem   May-09-06 09:35 AM   #122 
  - Kick for Wes. n/t  greyhound1966   May-08-06 07:15 PM   #116 
  - The Art of Electoral War  RogueTrooper   May-09-06 10:14 AM   #123 
  - You have the wrong General  Texas_Kat   May-09-06 10:39 AM   #124 
  - It was meant as an analogy  RogueTrooper   May-09-06 10:46 AM   #125 
     - I understood, and I didn't take it as a negative post.  Texas_Kat   May-09-06 11:08 AM   #127 
  - Current reality strengthens Clark's 08 hand  Tom Rinaldo   May-09-06 11:10 AM   #128 
     - I have to disagree  RogueTrooper   May-09-06 11:35 AM   #129 
        - Here is where we agree  Tom Rinaldo   May-09-06 11:56 AM   #130 
        - Who do you think the articulate Dem. candidates are?  Donna Zen   May-09-06 01:56 PM   #131 
  - Agreed 1000%  HannibalBarca   May-09-06 05:45 PM   #133 
 

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