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Sun May-07-06 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #44 |
| 51. Kerry is not saying "just leave" |
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Edited on Sun May-07-06 09:56 PM by karynnj
his position changed before the shift in the polls. His October speech shifted many people - because many people seemed to follow his move. The same with his call in April. Kerry's plans have considered Iraq all along - and there is a consistent call for diplomacy, speeding up the training ( 4 countries told him they would do it in early 2005), and involving the neighboring countries. All these things have been there since at least early 2004.
I think Kerry deserves a lot of credit for moving America on the idea that we shouldn't be doing the search and destroy and policing. I know others picked it up, Kerry was the first to try to explain why this was so bad on many many talk shows. A few weeks ago, Dr Rice was proud that the Iraqis were now policing a high way. I can't prove Kerry had an impact, but I saw the reaction of the talking heads.
The courage was to do so in 1971.
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| -Anecdotal Evidence Why Wes Clark '08 |
xkenx |
May-07-06 02:47 PM |
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And I totally agree. |
acmavm |
May-07-06 03:04 PM |
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Wes is the one. |
democrank |
May-07-06 03:07 PM |
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I'm with you all the way... |
Totally Committed |
May-07-06 03:43 PM |
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Same here. |
high density |
May-07-06 05:20 PM |
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If GORE doesn't run, I'll wholeheartedly support Wes Clark |
AtomicKitten |
May-07-06 03:44 PM |
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Yes, Wes has developed a political savvy, while |
xkenx |
May-07-06 03:57 PM |
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So, he likes that Clark is aligned with Kerry on all those same liberal |
blm |
May-07-06 03:53 PM |
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Well, at least Clark didn't vote "yes" on the IWR. |
AtomicKitten |
May-07-06 04:02 PM |
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That's not the point is it? The point is that Kerry was too liberal on |
blm |
May-07-06 04:07 PM |
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of course * and his regime are to blame |
AtomicKitten |
May-07-06 04:13 PM |
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What about the stink of ANY war of the last 35 yrs that has been proven |
blm |
May-07-06 04:17 PM |
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No, they didn't. |
AtomicKitten |
May-07-06 04:28 PM |
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I spent almost 20yrs in California and heard alot of horror stories from |
blm |
May-07-06 04:48 PM |
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As I said down-thread... |
Totally Committed |
May-07-06 05:48 PM |
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Yeah - the people who hated Kerry for exposing St. Ronnie Reagan and Bush1 |
blm |
May-08-06 10:20 AM |
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They have no facts, but it doesn't matter |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 12:19 PM |
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Breaking: Red-neck conservatives will listen to a liberal General. nt |
Clarkie1 |
May-07-06 10:24 PM |
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Gore voted for the first Persian Gulf war |
wyldwolf |
May-08-06 06:58 AM |
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In fairness to Gore |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 10:21 AM |
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Sure, in fairness to Gore, who I support... |
wyldwolf |
May-08-06 05:53 PM |
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How can you say that the IWR wasn't an authorization for War? when |
FrenchieCat |
May-09-06 10:57 AM |
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it was an authorization under specific circumstances |
paulk |
May-09-06 05:32 PM |
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thank you. |
wyldwolf |
May-09-06 06:55 PM |
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I'm sorry....but I read the resolution..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-09-06 08:34 PM |
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the full title of the IWR is - "a joint resolution to authorize the use |
paulk |
May-10-06 12:42 PM |
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EXACTLY - and those who blame the IWR are HELPING Bush to cover up |
blm |
May-10-06 12:49 PM |
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That was my point. |
xkenx |
May-07-06 04:06 PM |
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YOU'RE not going to point to them that Clark is progressive, but the RNC |
blm |
May-07-06 04:09 PM |
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Clark's uniform is the teflon coat |
xkenx |
May-07-06 04:17 PM |
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I hope Clark's campaign doesn't operate under that level of naivete. |
blm |
May-07-06 04:22 PM |
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Name removed |
May-07-06 11:43 PM |
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So you disagree that media bestows Teflon? Then Clark won't NEED anyone |
blm |
May-08-06 11:00 AM |
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Teflon, to whatever extent present, is not bullet proof |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-08-06 11:14 AM |
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See - you get the point I make - DNC expected Silver and Bronze Stars and |
blm |
May-08-06 11:26 AM |
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Don't you see that that was exactly what people |
karynnj |
May-07-06 04:49 PM |
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There is a difference between Clark and Kerry's uniform..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-07-06 05:37 PM |
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That's not the point |
karynnj |
May-07-06 06:00 PM |
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As you know, there is more to a candidate than their experience.... |
FrenchieCat |
May-07-06 07:28 PM |
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I think it did help Kerry to win NH |
karynnj |
May-07-06 08:24 PM |
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2004 was a truncated primary..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-07-06 08:26 PM |
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Will someone please explain to me why these pro-Clark threads |
Totally Committed |
May-07-06 05:44 PM |
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Read the OP - it says Clark, not Kerry |
karynnj |
May-07-06 06:08 PM |
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Well, point taken.... |
Totally Committed |
May-07-06 06:19 PM |
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I live in a county where a large number |
karynnj |
May-07-06 06:28 PM |
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Repubs in blue states... |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-07-06 11:42 PM |
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The OP used Kerry as the foil - as usual. As if all the Dems needed was |
blm |
May-08-06 10:24 AM |
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My OP was reporting a statement of a friend, |
xkenx |
May-08-06 11:07 AM |
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What the public LEARNS about a candidate comes 95% from corporate media. |
blm |
May-08-06 11:16 AM |
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I am NOT naive about Rethugs and corporate media. |
xkenx |
May-08-06 11:24 AM |
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That would be nice - But I expect the fight will come from the pacs now |
blm |
May-08-06 11:35 AM |
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I don't see anyone here |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 12:01 PM |
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In what way? Was Clark not a man who rooted out corruption in the military |
blm |
May-08-06 12:50 PM |
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Care to elaborate? |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 01:30 PM |
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You said their backstories are so different - I replied, In what way? |
blm |
May-08-06 01:42 PM |
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In reality their choices and values have much in common |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-08-06 01:53 PM |
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Nothing so different that CAN'T be spun is my basic point. |
blm |
May-08-06 02:09 PM |
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What Tom said, and this... |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 02:33 PM |
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The biggest advantage is the tactic itself being OVERLOADED on Kerry in |
blm |
May-08-06 02:37 PM |
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I have my fingers crossed |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 03:22 PM |
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Not a "foil", a "standard"... |
Totally Committed |
May-08-06 06:20 PM |
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My son, the Republican, |
Totally Committed |
May-07-06 05:40 PM |
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Given his MOTHER's oft posted opinion of Kerry, |
karynnj |
May-07-06 06:21 PM |
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Actually, we in this house always loved Kerry -- me, especially... |
Totally Committed |
May-08-06 02:10 PM |
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It IS more - Your son APPROVED of Reagan-Bush1 policies that Kerry fought |
blm |
May-08-06 10:30 AM |
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He probably doesn't know, but |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-07-06 06:08 PM |
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That was my point in the OP, but |
xkenx |
May-07-06 07:22 PM |
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Of course there is and disconnect. |
Clark2008 |
May-07-06 07:40 PM |
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So, you are very politely saying |
karynnj |
May-07-06 08:33 PM |
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See - you took it the damn wrong way AGAIN |
Clark2008 |
May-07-06 11:41 PM |
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I did NOT take it the wrong way |
karynnj |
May-08-06 06:38 AM |
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Yeah - you did. |
Clark2008 |
May-08-06 11:15 AM |
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Like a lot of people said ... |
Cosmocat |
May-07-06 09:40 PM |
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I think you've hit upon it. Here's my experience. |
xkenx |
May-07-06 10:04 PM |
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Yep ... |
Cosmocat |
May-08-06 06:44 AM |
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It'd be great with me |
union_maid |
May-07-06 04:52 PM |
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A uniform is not everything. |
madfloridian |
May-07-06 06:47 PM |
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You're right....it isn't, |
FrenchieCat |
May-07-06 07:23 PM |
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Ok, but if this war is not winnable, |
karynnj |
May-07-06 08:06 PM |
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I am careful to not engage in Kerry vs Clark type posts |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-07-06 08:21 PM |
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Tony, look at my first post (17) |
karynnj |
May-07-06 08:43 PM |
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Actually my argument was based on what each had done in real life..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-07-06 08:54 PM |
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Do you think the war can be won militarily then? |
karynnj |
May-07-06 09:45 PM |
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Wrong question. What policy will result in the least |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-07-06 10:06 PM |
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No wars can be won militarily |
Donna Zen |
May-07-06 10:54 PM |
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And Wes was instrumental in the negotiation of a peace treaty..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-07-06 11:22 PM |
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I don't know if saying we should just leave takes that much courage.... |
FrenchieCat |
May-07-06 08:49 PM |
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Kerry is not saying "just leave" |
karynnj |
May-07-06 09:55 PM |
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I know you think that John Kerry deserves a lot of credit for moving |
FrenchieCat |
May-07-06 10:35 PM |
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I disagree...period! |
windbreeze |
May-07-06 08:55 PM |
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Read this DUer from a few months ago. |
xkenx |
May-07-06 10:30 PM |
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Did your friend know all that about Clark. I doubt it., |
Mass |
May-07-06 06:49 PM |
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I agree that's possible, but |
xkenx |
May-07-06 07:26 PM |
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The opinions of the avg repug are not grounded in much truth. |
Quakerfriend |
May-07-06 08:02 PM |
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Factinistas |
Donna Zen |
May-07-06 09:30 PM |
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Here Here xkenx! K & R |
Dinger |
May-07-06 09:49 PM |
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This is all I have to say. |
incapsulated |
May-08-06 12:08 AM |
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Don't forget, Charming...... |
FrenchieCat |
May-08-06 12:59 AM |
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That's all I have to say, too |
WesDem |
May-08-06 08:33 AM |
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Two days ago I was at a Dem gathering |
JNelson6563 |
May-08-06 06:49 AM |
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When the MSM ignores a good Dem. possibility, |
xkenx |
May-08-06 08:55 AM |
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Indeed but it was |
JNelson6563 |
May-08-06 10:32 AM |
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Internet and on the ground campaigning are not mutually exclusive |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 12:55 PM |
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You overlook a big demographic |
JNelson6563 |
May-08-06 01:57 PM |
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I didn't overlook them |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 02:54 PM |
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thank you for the advice |
Donna Zen |
May-08-06 09:35 AM |
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There's a difference |
JNelson6563 |
May-08-06 10:18 AM |
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Doing my best Cary Grant impersonation... |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 11:07 AM |
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YO, Jai.....I never had gender change surgery......Ken |
xkenx |
May-08-06 11:16 AM |
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Oops! Sorry, Ken |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 12:24 PM |
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By all means then |
JNelson6563 |
May-08-06 01:54 PM |
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No need to be insulting, or downright untruthful |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 04:11 PM |
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Wow |
JNelson6563 |
May-09-06 08:00 AM |
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Haha! |
CarolNYC |
May-09-06 08:33 AM |
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This is getting silly |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-09-06 09:28 AM |
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Offense? |
Donna Zen |
May-08-06 01:55 PM |
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It's always good advice for Democrats to be active in the Party |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-08-06 10:01 AM |
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Agreed |
JNelson6563 |
May-08-06 10:28 AM |
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Your map is misleading BUT it proves your point . |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-08-06 11:05 AM |
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Nonsese, I said 4th Cong. District of MI |
JNelson6563 |
May-08-06 01:48 PM |
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Now I think you are being thin skinned |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-08-06 02:12 PM |
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Hmm. Perhaps.... |
JNelson6563 |
May-09-06 06:11 AM |
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I'm so sorry Democrats in your area aren't well-informed |
Clark2008 |
May-08-06 02:30 PM |
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Yesterday at my County executive committee meeting we didn't even discuss |
dogman |
May-08-06 04:30 PM |
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Good point. At my last district meeting |
Jai4WKC08 |
May-08-06 06:00 PM |
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Hey, gee, here's something different.... |
CarolNYC |
May-08-06 10:51 PM |
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Shhh, I think Julie might have given up |
xkenx |
May-09-06 08:34 PM |
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I don't think this country can wait until 08 |
mmonk |
May-08-06 09:38 AM |
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Agreed |
WesDem |
May-09-06 09:35 AM |
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Kick for Wes. n/t |
greyhound1966 |
May-08-06 07:15 PM |
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The Art of Electoral War |
RogueTrooper |
May-09-06 10:14 AM |
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You have the wrong General |
Texas_Kat |
May-09-06 10:39 AM |
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It was meant as an analogy |
RogueTrooper |
May-09-06 10:46 AM |
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I understood, and I didn't take it as a negative post. |
Texas_Kat |
May-09-06 11:08 AM |
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Current reality strengthens Clark's 08 hand |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-09-06 11:10 AM |
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I have to disagree |
RogueTrooper |
May-09-06 11:35 AM |
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Here is where we agree |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-09-06 11:56 AM |
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Who do you think the articulate Dem. candidates are? |
Donna Zen |
May-09-06 01:56 PM |
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Agreed 1000% |
HannibalBarca |
May-09-06 05:45 PM |
#133 |