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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 10:19 PM
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1. I think he has learned lessons like that
From other interviews I've seen lately, it seems that he knows he should have fought back harder on the smears and distortions. I don't think he wants to say too much publicly now, though, both because he's not yet announced another run, and also because he doesn't want to give a lot of second-guessers opportunities to do another round of post-mortems. He just says, "I know what mistakes I've made and I take responsibility." Reading between the lines, I think he means the consultants and managers, but there is probably more, too.

I agree with your premise. It is about the candidate and their character much more than it is about issues. Once you trust your candidate, you trust them to make the right choices on the issues. This is what the GOP focuses on--character, character, character (even when they don't have any). And with Dems it's issues, issues, issues--as if giving the right answers gives you a passing grade on the test, and you're in.

This was very apparent to me watching the Veep debate. Everything Cheney said, just about, referenced how strong and capable they were, and how incompetent the Dems were. And Edwards just kept pounding away on facts and issues. It was like watching two different conversations.
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  -I just saw Kerry on Donnie Deutsch and I have very mixed feelings Hippo_Tron  May-02-06 10:07 PM   #0 
  - I think he has learned lessons like that  ginnyinWI   May-02-06 10:19 PM   #1 
  - It wasn't just the swift liar smears he didn't fight back against.  enough already   May-03-06 12:05 PM   #23 
     - Who HAS taken on the issue of machine fraud?  blm   May-03-06 12:38 PM   #29 
  - I heard something he said that showed he clicked on what happened....  blm   May-02-06 10:25 PM   #2 
  - I did some monitoring in WI.  ginnyinWI   May-02-06 10:39 PM   #3 
  - Fantastic analysis  karynnj   May-02-06 11:17 PM   #7 
  - unfortunately, that stuff made for "good" TV.  ginnyinWI   May-02-06 11:45 PM   #8 
  - And THAT is why..  sendero   May-03-06 09:30 AM   #18 
     - That doesn't explain WHY media ignored the Firefighters Convention speech  blm   May-03-06 11:25 AM   #19 
        - I'm not going to argue.  sendero   May-03-06 11:32 AM   #20 
           - It may surprise you, but I don't consider our exchanges arguments. ;)))  blm   May-03-06 11:58 AM   #21 
              - Well..  sendero   May-03-06 12:04 PM   #22 
  - The media rejected Fortunate Son for just ONE thing that was unverified.  blm   May-03-06 06:29 AM   #11 
     - Same with the Rather story  karynnj   May-03-06 07:05 AM   #13 
     - "Fortunate Son" is Bush's title....  Bridget Burke   May-03-06 07:30 AM   #15 
        - Kerry is not a senator's son. His father was a diplomat.  Mass   May-03-06 07:32 AM   #16 
        - Kerry's father was a 2nd generation immigrant  TayTay   May-03-06 07:50 AM   #17 
        - Fortunate son was also the name of a very  karynnj   May-03-06 12:59 PM   #31 
           - That book is available at Amazon:  NYCGirl   May-03-06 01:01 PM   #32 
              - Thanks  karynnj   May-03-06 03:42 PM   #48 
  - I agree...I think he might have been too insulated  nickinSTL   May-03-06 12:11 PM   #24 
  - His mistake was not PERSONALY countering it by calling Bush a "liar"  Dr Fate   May-03-06 12:19 PM   #26 
     - He sounded like it last night -  blm   May-03-06 12:35 PM   #28 
        - I know that Kerry would be a great a president.  Dr Fate   May-03-06 12:53 PM   #30 
           - Y'know, I really believe that there will be a backlash to campaign tactics  blm   May-03-06 01:15 PM   #33 
              - I'm leaning that way too- but I'm not 100% sure...  Dr Fate   May-03-06 01:31 PM   #34 
                 - Heheh.... I like your approach. "I don't do soundbites, I do solutions."  blm   May-03-06 02:12 PM   #36 
                 - Which is a great sound bite in itself! n/t  Dr Fate   May-03-06 02:16 PM   #37 
                 - Do you want a man who does his duty? or that LIAR  mitchtv   May-03-06 03:19 PM   #44 
                    - Blunt & agressive yet truthful are 3 words all DEMS need to learn. n/t  Dr Fate   May-03-06 03:22 PM   #45 
  - about the Vietnam service thing  JI7   May-02-06 10:58 PM   #4 
  - You don't usually get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression  serryjw   May-02-06 11:12 PM   #5 
  - That type of comment may be even more reason  karynnj   May-03-06 06:33 AM   #12 
  - ....and McCain has a black child!  serryjw   May-03-06 02:11 PM   #35 
     - I'm not sure  karynnj   May-03-06 04:00 PM   #49 
        - You nailed exactly the problem democrats always have  serryjw   May-03-06 04:33 PM   #50 
  - I will - who else are we certain will open the books that need opening?  blm   May-03-06 07:13 AM   #14 
  - Donny is right- Kerry should have said "Bush is LYING about my record"  Dr Fate   May-03-06 12:14 PM   #25 
     - Dean would not have a problem saying "Bush Lied about me"  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 10:21 PM   #59 
        - Okay, I thought you were reasonable. Now I know different  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 10:29 PM   #62 
           - Kerry funding Dean attack ads..  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 11:01 PM   #72 
              - Don McTigue was Kerry's lawyer  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 11:08 PM   #74 
                 - Pekarkis was his early lawyer and stayed involved  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 11:19 PM   #76 
                    - Pekarkis represented Kerry  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 11:22 PM   #77 
                       - I've never even heard of the man you're talking about  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 11:30 PM   #78 
                          - that recount was never fully completed  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 11:39 PM   #81 
                             - When was he supposed to have done that, exactly?  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 11:45 PM   #82 
  - Kerry admitted he should have attacked  TheDonkey   May-02-06 11:14 PM   #6 
  - But he still wont say "Bush lied about my Military record"  Dr Fate   May-03-06 12:23 PM   #27 
  - Kerry tried to run a reasonably positive campaign in 2004.  Old and In the Way   May-03-06 12:12 AM   #9 
  - What they did to Cleland is unforgivable  serryjw   May-03-06 02:17 PM   #38 
     - CLELAND WON BY A LANDSLIDE in GA.....  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 02:29 PM   #41 
        - EXCUSE ME! I never said Cleland LOST OR WON!  serryjw   May-03-06 02:48 PM   #42 
        - Because a few bad commercials destroyed Dukakis  Hippo_Tron   May-03-06 05:13 PM   #52 
  - Oh, believe me, Senator Kerry learns from his mistakes and doesn't repeat  wisteria   May-03-06 12:15 AM   #10 
  - he's had 100 opportunities to fight election fraud  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 02:26 PM   #40 
     - He staged a visit to Iraq because he's a coward  karynnj   May-03-06 03:34 PM   #46 
        - That's the point  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 10:27 PM   #60 
           - WAR IN IRAQ  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 10:29 PM   #61 
  - Don't Vote for Kerry in fact we need to take him outta the game QUICK  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 02:24 PM   #39 
  - Kerry is still in two courtcases in Ohio - you are spreading bad info.  blm   May-03-06 02:59 PM   #43 
  - I'm already at least 99% sure that if Kerry runs, I support him  karynnj   May-03-06 03:36 PM   #47 
  - Catch us if you can  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 04:50 PM   #51 
  - Donna Brazille , quite hollow  mitchtv   May-03-06 09:35 PM   #54 
     - she was a kiss ass pundit on MSNBC weeks before election  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 09:48 PM   #55 
        - She was also way too agog at the thought of Condi Rice as SoS  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 09:52 PM   #56 
           - I was the biggest kerry fan on the planet  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 10:14 PM   #58 
              - So why did you take her word for anything at all  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 10:30 PM   #63 
              - $40M  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 10:33 PM   #64 
              - No you weren't.  WildEyedLiberal   May-05-06 01:20 AM   #89 
  - facts RE: The Ohio Recount and Kerry's History  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 10:10 PM   #57 
  - You mean to tell me you haven't been through enough since 2000 to.........  Minnesota Libra   May-03-06 05:22 PM   #53 
  - I just want Howard Dean back running again..  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 10:39 PM   #65 
     - If that's such a wondrous resource  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 10:50 PM   #68 
     - Why disseminate lies  karynnj   May-04-06 08:06 AM   #87 
  - Kerry won Ohio, Blackwell and Rove stole the election. They are dirty.  wizdum   May-03-06 10:41 PM   #66 
  - that's like saying it was only Hitler and Goebbels  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 10:48 PM   #67 
     - We shall see  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 10:52 PM   #69 
     - Yes, he shouldn't have conceded. He should have fought like hell...  wizdum   May-03-06 10:54 PM   #70 
        - Anyone who seriously believes that re: Skull and Bones  LittleClarkie   May-03-06 10:58 PM   #71 
        - I might agree Kerry was  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 11:09 PM   #75 
        - People are entitled to believe what they want...  wizdum   May-03-06 11:36 PM   #80 
        - Believes what about Skull/Bones?  windbreeze   May-04-06 01:36 AM   #85 
           - Sorry, I... heh... can't say  LittleClarkie   May-04-06 02:48 AM   #86 
           - I'm with you windbreeze  peacetheonlyway   May-04-06 11:57 PM   #88 
        - right on Wizdum  peacetheonlyway   May-03-06 11:02 PM   #73 
        - Right On  mr.alleycat   May-03-06 11:30 PM   #79 
        - Sure does...  wizdum   May-04-06 12:11 AM   #84 
        - So let me understand...  ProSense   May-05-06 08:05 AM   #92 
  - I'm Sorry  mr.alleycat   May-03-06 11:52 PM   #83 
  - Oh my God, there are like four freeper trolls on this thread  WildEyedLiberal   May-05-06 01:22 AM   #90 
  - They are getting desperate!  ProSense   May-05-06 07:44 AM   #91 
  - i htink htis is advantage to kerry in '08. ameican people poll they want  seabeyond   May-05-06 08:29 AM   #93 

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