ginnyinWI
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Tue May-02-06 10:19 PM
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| 1. I think he has learned lessons like that |
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From other interviews I've seen lately, it seems that he knows he should have fought back harder on the smears and distortions. I don't think he wants to say too much publicly now, though, both because he's not yet announced another run, and also because he doesn't want to give a lot of second-guessers opportunities to do another round of post-mortems. He just says, "I know what mistakes I've made and I take responsibility." Reading between the lines, I think he means the consultants and managers, but there is probably more, too.
I agree with your premise. It is about the candidate and their character much more than it is about issues. Once you trust your candidate, you trust them to make the right choices on the issues. This is what the GOP focuses on--character, character, character (even when they don't have any). And with Dems it's issues, issues, issues--as if giving the right answers gives you a passing grade on the test, and you're in.
This was very apparent to me watching the Veep debate. Everything Cheney said, just about, referenced how strong and capable they were, and how incompetent the Dems were. And Edwards just kept pounding away on facts and issues. It was like watching two different conversations.
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| -I just saw Kerry on Donnie Deutsch and I have very mixed feelings |
Hippo_Tron |
May-02-06 10:07 PM |
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I think he has learned lessons like that |
ginnyinWI |
May-02-06 10:19 PM |
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It wasn't just the swift liar smears he didn't fight back against. |
enough already |
May-03-06 12:05 PM |
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Who HAS taken on the issue of machine fraud? |
blm |
May-03-06 12:38 PM |
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I heard something he said that showed he clicked on what happened.... |
blm |
May-02-06 10:25 PM |
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I did some monitoring in WI. |
ginnyinWI |
May-02-06 10:39 PM |
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Fantastic analysis |
karynnj |
May-02-06 11:17 PM |
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unfortunately, that stuff made for "good" TV. |
ginnyinWI |
May-02-06 11:45 PM |
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And THAT is why.. |
sendero |
May-03-06 09:30 AM |
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That doesn't explain WHY media ignored the Firefighters Convention speech |
blm |
May-03-06 11:25 AM |
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I'm not going to argue. |
sendero |
May-03-06 11:32 AM |
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It may surprise you, but I don't consider our exchanges arguments. ;))) |
blm |
May-03-06 11:58 AM |
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Well.. |
sendero |
May-03-06 12:04 PM |
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The media rejected Fortunate Son for just ONE thing that was unverified. |
blm |
May-03-06 06:29 AM |
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Same with the Rather story |
karynnj |
May-03-06 07:05 AM |
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"Fortunate Son" is Bush's title.... |
Bridget Burke |
May-03-06 07:30 AM |
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Kerry is not a senator's son. His father was a diplomat. |
Mass |
May-03-06 07:32 AM |
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Kerry's father was a 2nd generation immigrant |
TayTay |
May-03-06 07:50 AM |
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Fortunate son was also the name of a very |
karynnj |
May-03-06 12:59 PM |
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That book is available at Amazon: |
NYCGirl |
May-03-06 01:01 PM |
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Thanks |
karynnj |
May-03-06 03:42 PM |
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I agree...I think he might have been too insulated |
nickinSTL |
May-03-06 12:11 PM |
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His mistake was not PERSONALY countering it by calling Bush a "liar" |
Dr Fate |
May-03-06 12:19 PM |
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He sounded like it last night - |
blm |
May-03-06 12:35 PM |
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I know that Kerry would be a great a president. |
Dr Fate |
May-03-06 12:53 PM |
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Y'know, I really believe that there will be a backlash to campaign tactics |
blm |
May-03-06 01:15 PM |
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I'm leaning that way too- but I'm not 100% sure... |
Dr Fate |
May-03-06 01:31 PM |
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Heheh.... I like your approach. "I don't do soundbites, I do solutions." |
blm |
May-03-06 02:12 PM |
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Which is a great sound bite in itself! n/t |
Dr Fate |
May-03-06 02:16 PM |
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Do you want a man who does his duty? or that LIAR |
mitchtv |
May-03-06 03:19 PM |
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Blunt & agressive yet truthful are 3 words all DEMS need to learn. n/t |
Dr Fate |
May-03-06 03:22 PM |
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about the Vietnam service thing |
JI7 |
May-02-06 10:58 PM |
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You don't usually get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression |
serryjw |
May-02-06 11:12 PM |
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That type of comment may be even more reason |
karynnj |
May-03-06 06:33 AM |
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....and McCain has a black child! |
serryjw |
May-03-06 02:11 PM |
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I'm not sure |
karynnj |
May-03-06 04:00 PM |
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You nailed exactly the problem democrats always have |
serryjw |
May-03-06 04:33 PM |
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I will - who else are we certain will open the books that need opening? |
blm |
May-03-06 07:13 AM |
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Donny is right- Kerry should have said "Bush is LYING about my record" |
Dr Fate |
May-03-06 12:14 PM |
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Dean would not have a problem saying "Bush Lied about me" |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 10:21 PM |
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Okay, I thought you were reasonable. Now I know different |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 10:29 PM |
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Kerry funding Dean attack ads.. |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 11:01 PM |
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Don McTigue was Kerry's lawyer |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 11:08 PM |
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Pekarkis was his early lawyer and stayed involved |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 11:19 PM |
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Pekarkis represented Kerry |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 11:22 PM |
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I've never even heard of the man you're talking about |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 11:30 PM |
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that recount was never fully completed |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 11:39 PM |
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When was he supposed to have done that, exactly? |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 11:45 PM |
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Kerry admitted he should have attacked |
TheDonkey |
May-02-06 11:14 PM |
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But he still wont say "Bush lied about my Military record" |
Dr Fate |
May-03-06 12:23 PM |
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Kerry tried to run a reasonably positive campaign in 2004. |
Old and In the Way |
May-03-06 12:12 AM |
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What they did to Cleland is unforgivable |
serryjw |
May-03-06 02:17 PM |
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CLELAND WON BY A LANDSLIDE in GA..... |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 02:29 PM |
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EXCUSE ME! I never said Cleland LOST OR WON! |
serryjw |
May-03-06 02:48 PM |
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Because a few bad commercials destroyed Dukakis |
Hippo_Tron |
May-03-06 05:13 PM |
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Oh, believe me, Senator Kerry learns from his mistakes and doesn't repeat |
wisteria |
May-03-06 12:15 AM |
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he's had 100 opportunities to fight election fraud |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 02:26 PM |
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He staged a visit to Iraq because he's a coward |
karynnj |
May-03-06 03:34 PM |
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That's the point |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 10:27 PM |
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WAR IN IRAQ |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 10:29 PM |
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Don't Vote for Kerry in fact we need to take him outta the game QUICK |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 02:24 PM |
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Kerry is still in two courtcases in Ohio - you are spreading bad info. |
blm |
May-03-06 02:59 PM |
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I'm already at least 99% sure that if Kerry runs, I support him |
karynnj |
May-03-06 03:36 PM |
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Catch us if you can |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 04:50 PM |
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Donna Brazille , quite hollow |
mitchtv |
May-03-06 09:35 PM |
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she was a kiss ass pundit on MSNBC weeks before election |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 09:48 PM |
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She was also way too agog at the thought of Condi Rice as SoS |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 09:52 PM |
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I was the biggest kerry fan on the planet |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 10:14 PM |
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So why did you take her word for anything at all |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 10:30 PM |
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$40M |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 10:33 PM |
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No you weren't. |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-05-06 01:20 AM |
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facts RE: The Ohio Recount and Kerry's History |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 10:10 PM |
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You mean to tell me you haven't been through enough since 2000 to......... |
Minnesota Libra |
May-03-06 05:22 PM |
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I just want Howard Dean back running again.. |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 10:39 PM |
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If that's such a wondrous resource |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 10:50 PM |
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Why disseminate lies |
karynnj |
May-04-06 08:06 AM |
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Kerry won Ohio, Blackwell and Rove stole the election. They are dirty. |
wizdum |
May-03-06 10:41 PM |
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that's like saying it was only Hitler and Goebbels |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 10:48 PM |
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We shall see |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 10:52 PM |
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Yes, he shouldn't have conceded. He should have fought like hell... |
wizdum |
May-03-06 10:54 PM |
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Anyone who seriously believes that re: Skull and Bones |
LittleClarkie |
May-03-06 10:58 PM |
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I might agree Kerry was |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 11:09 PM |
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People are entitled to believe what they want... |
wizdum |
May-03-06 11:36 PM |
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Believes what about Skull/Bones? |
windbreeze |
May-04-06 01:36 AM |
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Sorry, I... heh... can't say |
LittleClarkie |
May-04-06 02:48 AM |
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I'm with you windbreeze |
peacetheonlyway |
May-04-06 11:57 PM |
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right on Wizdum |
peacetheonlyway |
May-03-06 11:02 PM |
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Right On |
mr.alleycat |
May-03-06 11:30 PM |
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Sure does... |
wizdum |
May-04-06 12:11 AM |
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So let me understand... |
ProSense |
May-05-06 08:05 AM |
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I'm Sorry |
mr.alleycat |
May-03-06 11:52 PM |
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Oh my God, there are like four freeper trolls on this thread |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-05-06 01:22 AM |
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They are getting desperate! |
ProSense |
May-05-06 07:44 AM |
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i htink htis is advantage to kerry in '08. ameican people poll they want |
seabeyond |
May-05-06 08:29 AM |
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