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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #105
113. Where's your link
Prosense's link shows what Kerry actually said.

As to where he would get more troops - I think the situation would be different with Kerry as President. He would likely have moved on Iraq first - as he could do a lot unilaterally. He spoke of a Regional/International summit as soon as he was President. In January, he went to Europe and the ME - he came back asking why we weren't taking Jordan, Eqypt, France and Germany up on there training offers. As President, this would likely have been done immediately - it is highly likely that well before the end of 2005 there would have been sufficient trained troops.

Kerry, son of a diplomat, has loved diplomacy since he was a kid. Iraq is a mess, but Kerry is the type who would clearly have had the tenacity to push for more alternatives and the willingness to look at different approaches. As to our image in the area, I can't imagine anyone with more noral credibility on some of the issues that tarnishes our image. In the campaign, Kerry simply would add Abu Grabeh to the list of things that went wrong. A President Kerry could at an international summit say that the US will follow international laws and that these actions would never happen while he ws President. His actions in 1971, calling his own government to task would give him the moral authority America has lost.

So, I would assume that by the time Congress was considering the increase, the violence in Iraq would have been decreasing rather than increasing. By the time the first wave of trained Iraqis returned - much pressure would be off the US.

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  -"Good old Crafty Kerry" galatea  Apr-11-06 07:16 AM   #0 
  - Leave it to Counterpunch  cali   Apr-11-06 07:21 AM   #1 
  - I agree.  rodeodance   Apr-11-06 07:24 AM   #3 
  - I'm with you, they're being "COUNTERPRODUCTIVE" IMO  MADem   Apr-11-06 07:32 AM   #5 
  - why?  galatea   Apr-11-06 07:42 AM   #8 
     - LOL. So we should blast Feingold and Murtha as well.  Mass   Apr-11-06 07:43 AM   #10 
     - let's do it  galatea   Apr-11-06 07:45 AM   #11 
        - Enlighten me. What is a 'Bush enabler?'  TayTay   Apr-11-06 07:47 AM   #12 
           - hmmmm  galatea   Apr-11-06 07:52 AM   #14 
           - Then, Kerry is not one as this was not his action  TayTay   Apr-11-06 08:09 AM   #33 
              - Oh, indeed!  Vektor   Apr-11-06 06:10 PM   #143 
           - TayTay, your answer is right in front of you.  Vektor   Apr-11-06 05:18 PM   #133 
     - Oh really?  cali   Apr-11-06 07:54 AM   #16 
  - lol  galatea   Apr-11-06 07:35 AM   #7 
  - My, my. Nothing like a little simplistic to the point  cali   Apr-11-06 08:06 AM   #27 
     - I guess by "action"  Vektor   Apr-11-06 06:09 PM   #142 
  - They hated every single one of the Dem candidates last election  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 03:09 PM   #104 
  - Counterpunch even smeared Wellstone  Cocoa   Apr-11-06 06:11 PM   #144 
  - kerrys proposal was always similar to Murtha's. For people who had  rodeodance   Apr-11-06 07:24 AM   #2 
  - in other words  galatea   Apr-11-06 07:28 AM   #4 
  - Bingo! ..................... ...................... n/t.  neoblues   Apr-11-06 07:53 AM   #15 
  - Kerry has made that clear, Bush is President. Senator Kerry  wisteria   Apr-11-06 08:04 AM   #25 
  - Sure, we all know Kerry can't do it all...  neoblues   Apr-11-06 08:59 AM   #43 
  - He is the President  karynnj   Apr-11-06 09:35 AM   #48 
  - Well, yeah, the moron in power is ultimately responsible  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 04:22 PM   #125 
     - Not entirely true.  bvar22   Apr-11-06 04:51 PM   #131 
        - They cooked the intelligence. They created the atmosphere  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 04:59 PM   #132 
           - And STILL,  bvar22   Apr-11-06 06:09 PM   #141 
  - Which means, if they ever went to a vote, the conference committee  MADem   Apr-11-06 07:34 AM   #6 
  - I guess he disagrees with Murtha and Feingold then.  Mass   Apr-11-06 07:42 AM   # 
  - Kerry wants:  TayTay   Apr-11-06 07:42 AM   #9 
  - it does'nt look like it:  galatea   Apr-11-06 07:49 AM   #13 
     - That's BS - Were you there to "force" him to protest Vietnam, to uncover  blm   Apr-11-06 07:58 AM   #18 
     - Kerry is the reason  galatea   Apr-11-06 08:01 AM   #21 
        - Really. Suit yourselves.  Mass   Apr-11-06 08:02 AM   #24 
        - Hahahahaha!  TayTay   Apr-11-06 08:06 AM   #28 
        - LYING LEFT PUNDITS are the reason some lefties are fed disinformation to  blm   Apr-11-06 08:09 AM   #31 
        - I weep for you  BlueIris   Apr-11-06 08:09 AM   #32 
        - He is?  maddiejoan   Apr-11-06 08:10 AM   #36 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-11-06 03:25 PM   #106 
        - No. I am the reason. And so are you.  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 04:15 PM   #122 
     - May be Walsh wants to rewrite the Constitution! It is not in the power  Mass   Apr-11-06 08:02 AM   #23 
     - Oh, the inconsistencies of it all!  TayTay   Apr-11-06 08:05 AM   #26 
     - Oh, now I understand.  wisteria   Apr-11-06 08:08 AM   #29 
     - No wonder - look who endorses your Friday Pickets!  Sydnie   Apr-11-06 08:47 AM   #41 
     - LOL n/t  rockymountaindem   Apr-11-06 09:24 AM   #45 
     - The "discrepancy" reflects the difference  karynnj   Apr-11-06 09:51 AM   #54 
  - pretty telling that you would bash the guy  greenbriar   Apr-11-06 07:54 AM   #17 
  - are you talking to me  galatea   Apr-11-06 07:58 AM   #19 
     - Boarding. School.  BlueIris   Apr-11-06 08:11 AM   #37 
  - Your agenda is showing.  wisteria   Apr-11-06 08:00 AM   #20 
  - I just posted the article  galatea   Apr-11-06 08:02 AM   #22 
  - Nor did you try to clean up it's distortions or inconsistencies  TayTay   Apr-11-06 08:08 AM   #30 
  - I understand that, why post trash? n/t  wisteria   Apr-11-06 08:09 AM   #34 
  - do you call trash  galatea   Apr-11-06 09:23 AM   #44 
     - No, things that aren't factually correct are trash! Postings that  wisteria   Apr-11-06 09:27 AM   #46 
     - What trash is:  karynnj   Apr-11-06 10:24 AM   #61 
     - Do you claim to be Kerry's conscience when the historic record proves that  blm   Apr-11-06 12:43 PM   #83 
  - Do you disagree with anything in it?\nt  Mass   Apr-11-06 08:10 AM   #35 
  - No - you just claim TO BE KERRY'S CONSCIENCE ON IT - HAHAHAH - THANKS SO  blm   Apr-11-06 08:12 AM   #38 
     - BLM, what's with the HAHAHA shit? You're doing that alot lately.  confludemocrat   Apr-11-06 10:40 AM   #65 
        - I laugh at those who get caught up in their own mudslinging.  blm   Apr-11-06 12:01 PM   #80 
  - As the Senator himself said  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 02:28 PM   #94 
  - Kerry is quite adaptable...  neoblues   Apr-11-06 08:12 AM   #39 
  - Being adaptable and doing what the people want is good in my book.  Mass   Apr-11-06 08:18 AM   #40 
  - Adaptability is good. Doing the peoples will is good.  neoblues   Apr-11-06 11:04 AM   #71 
     - No inflexibility (stay the course) and lying are Bush's shortcomings. n/t  ProSense   Apr-11-06 11:09 AM   #72 
        - Since That's What I Just Said... so, I agree with you. nt.  neoblues   Apr-11-06 12:38 PM   #82 
  - Correlation doesn't prove causation  karynnj   Apr-11-06 10:52 AM   #68 
  - That's simpy true. Correlation is not proof of causation.  neoblues   Apr-11-06 12:31 PM   #81 
     - I'll also admit that my response was written  karynnj   Apr-11-06 02:09 PM   #89 
  - He's adaptable alright. He bends with the polls as much as any politician  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 01:15 PM   #87 
     - Not true. At all.  TayTay   Apr-11-06 01:50 PM   #88 
     - Yeah, it is. Kerry didn't sound like this during his debates  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 02:16 PM   #91 
        - So, the situation in Iraq hasn't changed in the last 1 1/2 years?  karynnj   Apr-11-06 02:24 PM   #93 
        - Yes it has, and so has John Kerry. I'm not crucifying him for it, just  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 02:35 PM   #97 
           - YOU'D prefer a politican who DIDN'T change his position based on fact?  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-11-06 03:28 PM   #107 
           - My point is it's not the "prevailing atmosphere"  karynnj   Apr-11-06 03:32 PM   #112 
        - Not true!  ProSense   Apr-11-06 02:43 PM   #98 
        - "Not true" what? That Kerry didn't talk about increasing the number of  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 02:50 PM   #100 
           - You have a link?  ProSense   Apr-11-06 03:07 PM   #103 
              - Link or no link, he wanted to add 40,000 more troops if elected President  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 03:23 PM   #105 
                 - Draft? That's BS.  ProSense   Apr-11-06 03:29 PM   #110 
                 - Oh, of course HE didn't mention a draft, but where in heck would he get  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 03:50 PM   # 
                    - Ever heard of recruiting? Both ways? Did you read the previous posts? n/t  ProSense   Apr-11-06 03:59 PM   #118 
                 - Where's your link  karynnj   Apr-11-06 03:50 PM   #113 
                    - Prosense's link backs up what I said. Read my post again please  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 04:01 PM   #119 
                       - No it doesn't. Stop playing games. It has nothing to do with Iraq. n/t  ProSense   Apr-11-06 04:08 PM   #120 
                          - I just got done saying it didn't have everything to do with Iraq,  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 04:11 PM   #121 
        - Because Iraq hadn't even had ONE ELECTION at that point.  blm   Apr-11-06 02:43 PM   #99 
           - BLM, my point is that his position now is not the same as it was back then  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 02:58 PM   #101 
              - He's always held that Bush's decisionmaking in Iraq was wrong, from  blm   Apr-11-06 03:03 PM   #102 
              - The point all of us are making is  karynnj   Apr-11-06 03:54 PM   #114 
                 - Your point is well taken n/t  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 04:15 PM   #123 
     - That is simply not true  karynnj   Apr-11-06 02:18 PM   #92 
        - Don't get me wrong. I'm happy he...ANY speaking now  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 02:29 PM   #95 
           - No you're not. You're pissed Hillary still has NO position on the war  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-11-06 03:29 PM   #109 
           - Shut up, fatty!  Vektor   Apr-11-06 05:24 PM   #135 
           - We were in a war  karynnj   Apr-11-06 03:59 PM   #117 
              - I agree with you, although  mtnsnake   Apr-11-06 04:18 PM   #124 
  - Spin should at least make sense!  ProSense   Apr-11-06 08:49 AM   #42 
  - i'm disappointed in the resolution's language  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 09:32 AM   #47 
  - This is confusing. That was always in there.  TayTay   Apr-11-06 09:38 AM   #49 
  - "That is the basis of the 'practicable' point."  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 09:44 AM   #51 
     - I think you are picking nits on this.  TayTay   Apr-11-06 10:00 AM   #55 
  - Reread Murtha's legislation - It has the same problem  Mass   Apr-11-06 09:42 AM   #50 
  - huh?  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 09:46 AM   #52 
     - A senator cannot put a date for effective troop withdrawal in a bill  Mass   Apr-11-06 09:49 AM   #53 
        - perhaps it needed to be handled by a cut-off of funds  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 10:04 AM   #56 
           - I think this will eventually be the only way to end this.  Mass   Apr-11-06 10:06 AM   #57 
              - are you endorsing a cut-off of funds?  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 10:13 AM   #58 
                 - A cut-off of funds is not going to happen before the election.  Mass   Apr-11-06 10:16 AM   #60 
                    - if i were a republican and supported the war  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 10:26 AM   #62 
                       - I guess he would have been better off by doing nothing.  Mass   Apr-11-06 10:35 AM   #63 
                       - well, i won't return the sarcasm  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 10:47 AM   #67 
                       - Why would the Republicans do that, when Bush said this yesterday?  ProSense   Apr-11-06 11:03 AM   #70 
                          - i'm not saying they would; i'm saying they could  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 11:13 AM   #74 
                             - Kerry did! Two Deadlines And An Exit: May 15 and the end of 2006. n/t  ProSense   Apr-11-06 11:18 AM   #75 
                                - exactly - but the resolution language lacked clarity  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 11:30 AM   #76 
                                   - May 15 is 33 days away.  ProSense   Apr-11-06 11:52 AM   #78 
  - Kerry said in his appearances that congress can settle on a date around  blm   Apr-11-06 11:59 AM   #79 
     - i'm not clear what you're saying  welshTerrier2   Apr-11-06 12:46 PM   #85 
        - No, what she is saying is that May15th is a target date  TayTay   Apr-11-06 01:00 PM   #86 
  - I guess they threw the "Where the fuck is Kerry?" article out...  zulchzulu   Apr-11-06 10:16 AM   #59 
  - Murtha says there is no plan but HIS, which is true. Sorry JK  confludemocrat   Apr-11-06 10:36 AM   #64 
  - Nice - Anybody who knows you by now knows that you hate Kerry.  Mass   Apr-11-06 10:42 AM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-11-06 10:52 AM   #69 
     - Something you do often even when the facts of history prove you're wrong.  blm   Apr-11-06 12:45 PM   #84 
  - Kerry and Murtha's plans are extremely close  TayTay   Apr-11-06 11:11 AM   #73 
  - Oh, my God...what if "Crafty Kerry" becomes the "Flip-Flopper" of '08?  BlueIris   Apr-11-06 11:30 AM   #77 
  - Too easily turned into a positive  karynnj   Apr-11-06 02:34 PM   #96 
     - Maybe he's just into macrame  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 03:29 PM   #108 
        - Decopache?  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 06:12 PM   #145 
           - Heh...  Vektor   Apr-11-06 06:15 PM   #146 
  - Counterpunch. What a rag.  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 02:15 PM   #90 
  - The freepers are getting restless  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-11-06 03:31 PM   #111 
  - He can forget running.......  Joanne98   Apr-11-06 03:55 PM   #115 
  - Yeah, fuck Dems who call for withdrawal  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-11-06 03:58 PM   #116 
  - What does that have to do with an Iraq exit plan  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 04:29 PM   #126 
  - Uh, ok. I'm sure he will  Vektor   Apr-11-06 05:19 PM   #134 
  - Dude, a question. Which candidate did you like in the 2004 primaries?  LittleClarkie   Apr-11-06 04:30 PM   #127 
  - ....  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-11-06 04:32 PM   #128 
     - .  Vektor   Apr-11-06 04:47 PM   #130 
  - Let the sounding off of the penis envy brigade begin!  Vektor   Apr-11-06 04:44 PM   #129 
  - Yes, my good Vektor, there is the matter of the good Senator's uh...  Old Crusoe   Apr-11-06 05:29 PM   #137 
     - I see you are one of the "informed"...  Vektor   Apr-11-06 05:35 PM   #138 
        - Vektor, always a pleasure to read your posts on DU, and  Old Crusoe   Apr-11-06 05:44 PM   #139 
           - I think it will be....  Vektor   Apr-11-06 05:51 PM   #140 
  - A vote for Kerry-Edwards in 2004 was not least, a vote against  Old Crusoe   Apr-11-06 05:25 PM   #136 
  - I'm locking this thread  proud patriot   Apr-11-06 06:29 PM   #147 

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