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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:44 PM
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17. I agree with a lot of what you say, but not all of it
Your first point about giving up a Senate seat to a democrat is very perceptive. It had never even occured to me.

I think McCain's biggest problem is his recent pandering to W. You mentioned it of course, but I think that's the bigger issue. He'd do much better by being his usual self and getting the support of independents and some moderate dems. Remember "Reagan Democrats"? McCain could have all of them and probably then some. But not now. As John Stewart said, "has the Straight Talk Express been rerouted to Bullshitville?" Now is the time to be distancing yourself from W, not tossing his salad.

But I think you understated his support from the republican base. If you consider what went down in the Tennesee straw poll, McCain actually fared pretty well there. If you count the GWB votes as McCain votes (which they surely were, as W can't run for a third term) that actually gave McCain a fairly strong second place behind only Frist, who of course was on his home turf.

I'm not sure Hillary will even run, and if she does I don't think she'll get the nomination. Like you say, support from the base is very important, and she has lost a lot of support for her hawkishness on Iraq. Others like Hillary just fine, but don't think she would be able to win the presidency and will therefore try to support a stringer candidate. Feingold, on the other hand, is a fucking hero among democrats. Not the ones in congress, but the ones in the voting booths. My money's on him for the dem nomination.

For the republican nomination, I'd give it about 50/50 for McCain or Allen. Maybe McCain will give Allen the VP spot to pick up the fundies. If Jeb jumps in, all bets are off. I think we'd hand Jeb his ass though.

But hey, this is all just conjecture.
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  -Three problems facing John McCain in 2008 jackbourassa  Apr-08-06 08:05 PM   #0 
  - My prediction: Jeb Bush will run.  brainshrub   Apr-08-06 08:10 PM   #1 
  - brainshrub, I have a feeling you're right...  jackbourassa   Apr-08-06 08:12 PM   #2 
  - Jeb's immediate family will look great in a official White House picture  Lastlaughin08   Apr-08-06 08:31 PM   #11 
  - Jeb Bush will not run in 2008  Poppyseedman   Apr-08-06 08:37 PM   #13 
     - to say nothing  benddem   Apr-08-06 08:44 PM   #18 
     - Nicolle sure looks a little rough around the edges in that picture  Poppyseedman   Apr-08-06 08:56 PM   #21 
        - Noelle is the only one in that family  madaboutharry   Apr-08-06 11:01 PM   #29 
     - They look like they hate each other.  madaboutharry   Apr-08-06 10:58 PM   #28 
  - If the media wants McCain as President....  FrenchieCat   Apr-08-06 08:14 PM   #3 
  - the media wanted him in 2000. George Allen or whomever  orangepeel68   Apr-08-06 08:34 PM   #12 
     - They must not have wanted him as President that badly....  FrenchieCat   Apr-08-06 08:38 PM   #14 
  - Reason # 4 in my book.  niallmac   Apr-08-06 08:15 PM   #4 
  - The big problem with McCain is his temperament. n/t  paul_fromatlanta   Apr-08-06 08:16 PM   #5 
  - Also, his age  jackbourassa   Apr-08-06 08:22 PM   #6 
  - Also, his (r)age  Lastlaughin08   Apr-08-06 08:27 PM   #8 
  - And let's not forget his health.  howmad1   Apr-08-06 08:30 PM   #10 
  - The other big problem with McCain  madaboutharry   Apr-08-06 08:22 PM   #7 
     - I meant problems that would keep him from getting elected :) /nt  paul_fromatlanta   Apr-08-06 08:40 PM   #15 
     - That's funny.  madaboutharry   Apr-08-06 08:47 PM   #19 
     - That just hits me in my funny bone!  janeaustin   Apr-08-06 08:40 PM   #16 
  - Limbaugh and the other RW extremists savage him because he's  Lastlaughin08   Apr-08-06 08:29 PM   #9 
  - I agree with a lot of what you say, but not all of it  FatDave   Apr-08-06 08:44 PM   #17 
  - You're wrong  jackbourassa   Apr-08-06 09:01 PM   #22 
     - Maybe I am wrong. Unfortunately, you're wrong too.  FatDave   Apr-08-06 10:04 PM   #25 
  - I can't wait for the Republican Primary season!  Catchawave   Apr-08-06 08:54 PM   #20 
  - On #'s one and two  Yupster   Apr-08-06 09:13 PM   #23 
  - the kenedy/mccain immigration bill has just finished mccains  enfield collector   Apr-08-06 09:33 PM   #24 
  - The other thing to remember...  FatDave   Apr-08-06 10:13 PM   #26 
  - A strong ticket for the GOP in 08 might be Haley Barbour/Rob Portman.  Old Crusoe   Apr-08-06 10:38 PM   #27 
  - a slight problem with #1  fishwax   Apr-09-06 01:07 AM   #30 
  - I think McCain has very little chance in 2008  fishwax   Apr-09-06 01:11 AM   #31 
 

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