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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 03:52 PM
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8. well he didn't give his life in exchange for the slaves
Well he didn't give his life in exchange for the slaves. He freed the slaves and an assasian killed Lincoln because of his actions. It wasn't like he said "Oh lord take me and let my people go".

And he did BELIEVE that the black people were inferior to white people. . .which was a pretty common belief in that time period. So when I say he was as good of a racist as any white man in his time I mean that he held a very common belief in his time period that a) Men were the superior gender and b) White men were the superior race.

Again he didn't EMANCIPATE all the slaves with the Emancipation Proclamation, only the slaves of the rebelling states. And if you recall, once the slaves were "freed" it took another 100 years to gain equal rights. Most historical speculators say that Lincoln, had he lived, would have gone very very easy on the south.
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  -Let's Adopt Abraham Lincoln Pryderi  Apr-04-06 12:02 PM   #0 
  - I don't think lincoln is a good exampe of a non racist republican  MsUnderstood   Apr-04-06 12:08 PM   #1 
  - I never knew that about Abraham Lincoln.  Pryderi   Apr-04-06 12:21 PM   #2 
  - First and foremost, he was a lawyer  noonwitch   Apr-04-06 12:26 PM   #4 
  - True. I can't see the Republicans impugning Abe. They're always bragging  Pryderi   Apr-04-06 02:01 PM   #5 
     - Agree with you that they wouldn't do it, but I stil love your idea.  Old Crusoe   Apr-16-06 03:36 PM   #12 
  - Not quite that simple  sandnsea   Apr-16-06 03:03 PM   #11 
     - Wrong  erpowers   Apr-17-06 08:02 AM   #16 
        - Not wrong  sandnsea   Apr-18-06 01:57 PM   #33 
           - Not You Don't  erpowers   Apr-18-06 03:50 PM   #34 
              - That's ridiculous  sandnsea   Apr-18-06 04:38 PM   #35 
  - "As good a racist as any white man in his time"??  brentspeak   Apr-04-06 02:09 PM   #7 
  - well he didn't give his life in exchange for the slaves  MsUnderstood   Apr-04-06 03:52 PM   #8 
  - Better read your History again.  maine_raptor   Apr-04-06 06:42 PM   #9 
  - I accept Mr. Douglass' interpretation of Lincoln's character.  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-06 08:07 AM   #17 
  - Yes, he would have - and it would have been better for the blacks  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-18-06 07:16 PM   #36 
  - Quite a few. Good point. Quite a few have their names engraved in  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-06 08:40 AM   #21 
  - His views changed radically of course...  SaveElmer   Apr-17-06 11:54 AM   #23 
     - Agree firmly on the Douglass reference. What a moving tribute to  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-06 01:19 PM   #29 
  - Here's what he said about Bush:  Jeffersons Ghost   Apr-04-06 12:25 PM   #3 
  - Do these sound like the words of a Repuke?  maine_raptor   Apr-04-06 02:08 PM   #6 
  - I think it's a very serious proposal, Pryderi. I think you're right on  Old Crusoe   Apr-16-06 02:37 PM   #10 
  - The Republican party was originally a center-left party.  Odin2005   Apr-16-06 05:28 PM   #13 
  - *BUMP*  Odin2005   Apr-17-06 12:44 AM   #14 
  - Lincoln A Republican  erpowers   Apr-17-06 07:51 AM   #15 
  - Except as projection, we have no idea in hell what party someone who  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-06 08:14 AM   #19 
  - I do agree with Mark Twain's assessment of the social limitations of  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-06 08:24 AM   #20 
     - Same As Others  erpowers   Apr-17-06 12:55 PM   #24 
        - My work in history has taken me to many good places.  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-06 01:07 PM   #26 
  - On re-examination of your proposal, Pryderi, I like it even better the  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-06 08:11 AM   #18 
  - Thanks! It think democrats could argue that Lincoln was a progressive.  Pryderi   Apr-17-06 10:31 AM   #22 
     - Not only that, but we could give our old Confederate Dixiecrats to the GOP  Ignacio Upton   Apr-17-06 01:04 PM   #25 
        - I've been in a dialogue with some people about Nixon's Southern  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-06 01:13 PM   #27 
  - I'll gladly adopt Honest Abe.  bunkerbuster1   Apr-17-06 01:17 PM   #28 
     - Exactly! It'd be using Republican-type tactics against Republicans. We  Pryderi   Apr-17-06 01:48 PM   #30 
        - ...and we're welcoming Abe with open arms  bunkerbuster1   Apr-17-06 01:58 PM   #31 
           - Li'l Orphan Abie. Abandonded by his party. I would love to see GOP react  Pryderi   Apr-17-06 02:05 PM   #32 

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