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| 84. The false info is saying the list supported censure for Clinton but DON'T |
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Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 09:34 AM by blm
support censure for Bush.
Most people don't realize that those Dems NOT ON THE LIST supported continuing the impeachment process in the senate.
The other implication is that Feingold needs co-sponsors - he doesn't - he WANTED censure in committee and GOT censure into committee and NEEDED senators to say they wanted INVESTIGATION by the committee and needed to hear evidence, setting up Feingold's hearings set for Friday.
The moment that Feingold moved censure into committee was the moment the need changed from supporting censure without further investigation to supporting INVESTIGATION and hearings on NSA spying to determine guilt by show of evidence.
Feingold said he was pleased to have censure in committee where it could be investigated two days after he submitted his resolution - why so many left pundits don't get that the action shifted at that point is troublesome - are they that obtuse and don't realize that a demand for a declaration on censure now supports the quick dismissal of censure (GOPs have the numbers) with no hearings or investigation, OR intentionally trying to further the position of the GOP?
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| -Cowering Dems - Only 3 Senators' names are on Feingold's resolution. |
paineinthearse |
Mar-29-06 03:54 PM |
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We know what to do! Time to make some more calls, DUers! |
fooj |
Mar-29-06 03:56 PM |
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WRONG - demanding censure vote now is SIDING with GOPs. |
blm |
Mar-29-06 04:14 PM |
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I don't think everyone is demanding |
guidod |
Mar-29-06 05:53 PM |
#33 |
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Caving in to demand for quickvote by GOPs and bypassing investigation by |
blm |
Mar-29-06 06:04 PM |
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so it's been moved to committee... that happend already.. |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:07 PM |
#39 |
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Dems wanting to stop committee and investigation and side with GOPs |
blm |
Mar-29-06 06:12 PM |
#42 |
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I think that was to show who was willing to Censure Clinton but is AWOL on |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:35 PM |
#48 |
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Willing to censure Clinton INSTEAD OF impeaching him. If you AREN'T on |
blm |
Mar-29-06 06:41 PM |
#50 |
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If we give up on censure, will we still even be opposing the GOP at all? |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-06 02:42 PM |
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exatly so.. |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 02:51 PM |
#118 |
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Who is giving up on censure? The committee investigation is FOR censure. |
blm |
Mar-30-06 03:19 PM |
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Never mind, I guess I don't understand what those who oppose Feingold |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-06 07:37 PM |
#131 |
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Calling for left blogs to stop harrassing senators supporting Feingold's |
blm |
Mar-31-06 08:45 AM |
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when does siding with censure = quick vote? |
dionysus |
Mar-30-06 10:29 PM |
#132 |
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READ and understand - we are FOR CENSURE and the moment Feingold |
blm |
Mar-31-06 09:21 AM |
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LOL.. |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:06 PM |
#38 |
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I understand that the word trength |
guidod |
Mar-29-06 06:17 PM |
#45 |
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I don't think everyone is demanding |
guidod |
Mar-29-06 05:53 PM |
#34 |
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Woops! Hit the button twice, sorry |
guidod |
Mar-29-06 05:55 PM |
#35 |
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Drinkin Arlen Specter/Joe Biden Cool aid - It's called another Cover Up |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:04 PM |
#36 |
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Either you side w/Feingold and furthering censure debate or side w/GOP |
blm |
Mar-29-06 06:09 PM |
#40 |
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My apologies.. i'm frustrated. |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:38 PM |
#49 |
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WRONG - Hearings are set for Friday and John Dean and Bruce Fein are |
blm |
Mar-29-06 06:49 PM |
#53 |
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I stand Corrected! Good More Testimony! |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 07:05 PM |
#57 |
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Why are you spreading that BOGUS list of Dems who wanted censure INSTEAD |
blm |
Mar-29-06 04:00 PM |
#2 |
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I wholeheartedly agree it is much better strategy. |
AtomicKitten |
Mar-29-06 04:04 PM |
#4 |
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Feinstein tried to bring up censure resolution again right after acquittal |
flpoljunkie |
Mar-29-06 04:06 PM |
#6 |
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Okay, I'm convinced. Feingold is an ass. |
MH1 |
Mar-29-06 05:08 PM |
#24 |
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I Hope you mean FeinSTEIN (a DINO), NOT FeinGOLD... |
BlueCaliDem04 |
Mar-30-06 02:26 AM |
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Feingold WAS a senator in the Clinton years |
Mass |
Mar-30-06 07:10 AM |
#68 |
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Haven't been into politics until *after* the 2000 Debacle. But... |
BlueCaliDem04 |
Mar-31-06 02:05 AM |
#133 |
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I meant FeinGOLD. Please read my post. |
MH1 |
Mar-30-06 08:43 AM |
#78 |
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Feingold did NOT support the Clinton censure. |
incapsulated |
Apr-01-06 01:39 AM |
#166 |
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Disappointed in Levin, Stabenow from Michigan |
faygokid |
Mar-29-06 04:01 PM |
#3 |
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Their constituency is not a monolith composed of DUers and like-minded. |
MH1 |
Mar-29-06 05:14 PM |
#28 |
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I think it's the right thing to do. |
faygokid |
Mar-29-06 05:19 PM |
#29 |
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We're all for censure - and FOR Feingold moving it into committee |
blm |
Mar-29-06 05:30 PM |
#30 |
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oops... self delete duplicate |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:11 PM |
#41 |
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Wrong - Feingold had said it was set for Friday. |
blm |
Mar-29-06 06:13 PM |
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BLM it was moved to committee two weeks ago, the moment Feingold |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:12 PM |
#43 |
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You may be right (or not), but in any case it is beside my point. |
MH1 |
Mar-29-06 05:33 PM |
#31 |
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Censure Could have Meaningful Consequence, but Not with These Dems |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:22 PM |
#46 |
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I'm FOR censure but know it has no meaningful consequence and |
blm |
Mar-29-06 06:33 PM |
#47 |
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do you actually believe impeachment investigations and hearings |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:41 PM |
#51 |
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I trust that Conyers and others are dead serious. I hope the Clintonites |
blm |
Mar-29-06 06:43 PM |
#52 |
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Want to make a wager that the Clintonistas will quash that attempt |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 06:54 PM |
#55 |
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Is anyone who wants us to lay off of Bush even going to think about |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-06 02:44 PM |
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K & R! |
msgadget |
Mar-29-06 04:05 PM |
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Mar-29-06 04:07 PM |
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k&r |
radio4progressives |
Mar-29-06 04:09 PM |
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THIS IS NOT TRUE - The moment Feingold moved censure into committee is the |
blm |
Mar-29-06 04:12 PM |
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It wasn't Feingold who moved the Resolution to Committee, it was Durbin |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 01:59 PM |
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Thanks paineinthearse |
AuntiBush |
Mar-29-06 04:22 PM |
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Except it's selling A FALSE PREMISE. The info in it is BAD. |
blm |
Mar-29-06 04:24 PM |
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The info is not bad - it is revealing who voted for Censure of Clinton |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 01:36 PM |
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YES, it's bad - If you're NOT on that list you wanted IMPEACHMENT PROCESS |
blm |
Mar-30-06 03:45 PM |
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STUPID left bloggers supporting GOP demand for quick censure vote to STOP |
blm |
Mar-29-06 04:23 PM |
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Mar-29-06 04:46 PM |
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Siding WITH Feingold's moving censure into committee to continue |
blm |
Mar-29-06 04:58 PM |
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No. It's stupid to call people stupid because they don't agree with you. |
katinmn |
Mar-29-06 05:09 PM |
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There are left bloggers spreading BAD INFO because they're not getting |
blm |
Mar-29-06 05:14 PM |
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Committee investigation? Please. I'm getting a side ache. |
katinmn |
Mar-29-06 09:50 PM |
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Apparently you disagree with Feingold whose committee is holding hearings |
blm |
Mar-30-06 09:09 AM |
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People don't seem to be writing in to support blm on this... |
Iowa |
Mar-29-06 10:07 PM |
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Facts, schmacts. |
MH1 |
Mar-29-06 05:10 PM |
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Schmacts is right. Post 19 clearly shows the author's true color n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-29-06 06:57 PM |
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Sorry...The question is: Why aren't they listed as Co-sponsors? |
farmbo |
Mar-30-06 08:03 AM |
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WRONG - The MOMENT Feingold moved censure into committee the action |
blm |
Mar-30-06 09:17 AM |
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Strawman alert: The co-sponsors aren't saying " vote now, no investigation |
farmbo |
Mar-30-06 11:57 AM |
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Their SUPPORT for investigation helped GET THOSE HEARINGS FRIDAY. |
blm |
Mar-30-06 12:08 PM |
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Bush has admitted skirting FISA...and given Congress the old "Vaffanculo!" |
farmbo |
Mar-30-06 01:02 PM |
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Some already do and have been helpful to Feingold's push for hearings. |
blm |
Mar-30-06 01:11 PM |
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Farmbo, I missed this little factoid... please clarify for me.. |
radio4progressives |
Apr-01-06 12:45 AM |
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Check this out: from March 17th (Rove's handiwork) |
farmbo |
Apr-01-06 08:50 AM |
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I agree with you |
Norquist Nemesis |
Mar-30-06 01:46 PM |
#98 |
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are you serious? Schumer's move was a complete OUT and END RUN |
radio4progressives |
Apr-01-06 12:48 AM |
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hey, i like the aesthetics of your photo arrangement. |
rodeodance |
Mar-29-06 04:27 PM |
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Act locally |
paineinthearse |
Mar-29-06 04:28 PM |
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WHY are you supporting GOPs position instead of Feingold? |
blm |
Mar-29-06 04:41 PM |
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I have called Kohl's office but will do so again. |
rodeodance |
Mar-29-06 04:29 PM |
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the hearing is Friday (below)--email cspan and ask to cover. I checked |
rodeodance |
Mar-29-06 04:33 PM |
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here is email address for cspan |
rodeodance |
Mar-29-06 04:37 PM |
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BEWARE - The OP benefits the GOP position, NOT Feingold's. |
blm |
Mar-29-06 04:43 PM |
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Why does this person's list keep changing? |
ProSense |
Mar-29-06 04:38 PM |
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I've called Feinstein three times now. |
guidod |
Mar-29-06 05:39 PM |
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DUers, take a BREATH!! |
WesDem |
Mar-29-06 06:52 PM |
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absolutely correct. |
AtomicKitten |
Mar-29-06 09:51 PM |
#59 |
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I'm inclined to agree wth Paul Craig Roberts' assertion that Dems are |
Nothing Without Hope |
Mar-29-06 10:59 PM |
#61 |
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It would explain some of the very strange behavior of elected officials |
katinmn |
Mar-29-06 11:07 PM |
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Exactly. Some of the GOPs, too, have acted very strangely, first |
Nothing Without Hope |
Mar-29-06 11:15 PM |
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RFK Jr estimated last year that 95% of the GOPs and 75% of the Dems |
Nothing Without Hope |
Mar-29-06 11:19 PM |
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Listen to what blm is saying... |
Andromeda |
Mar-30-06 01:18 AM |
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"The time has come for Senate Democrats to stand up to George Bush and..." |
paineinthearse |
Mar-30-06 07:05 AM |
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The author is not credible. Why does he keep changing the list? |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 07:24 AM |
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The problem is that the focus is wrong - They should be calling committee |
Mass |
Mar-30-06 07:31 AM |
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That's fine, but this article promotes a bogus argument on many levels n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 07:35 AM |
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We'll see what happens Friday - Specter seems committed to bring this |
Mass |
Mar-30-06 07:39 AM |
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So, what is Feingold's excuse voting for Roberts? for Ascroft? ... |
Mass |
Mar-30-06 07:25 AM |
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What is Feingold's excuse for not supporting DSM investigation? |
MH1 |
Mar-30-06 08:47 AM |
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Except Feingold WANTS THEM TO SUPPORT INVESTIGATION AND HEARINGS |
blm |
Mar-30-06 09:36 AM |
#85 |
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Dems voted to Censure Clinton For a Blow Job, but Refuse to Censure Bush |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 01:38 PM |
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You do know that censure then was to STOP impeachment process in the |
blm |
Mar-30-06 03:22 PM |
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you seem to suggest that Censure is always in lieu of Impeachment |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 01:19 PM |
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I never suggested that even once. |
blm |
Mar-31-06 01:29 PM |
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Mar-30-06 07:29 AM |
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Not people who disagree, bloggers who spread FALSE INFO and help the GOP |
blm |
Mar-30-06 08:02 AM |
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Show me the "FALSE INFO" |
paineinthearse |
Mar-30-06 08:55 AM |
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The false info is saying the list supported censure for Clinton but DON'T |
blm |
Mar-30-06 09:31 AM |
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Where's the Evidence that any of these Senators support Impeachment? |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 01:57 PM |
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Senators have no business pre-judging impeachment, especially since |
blm |
Mar-30-06 03:35 PM |
#126 |
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Reading the Tea Leaves is not citing Secret Knowledge... |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 12:23 PM |
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BLM this is getting a little bit over the top here... |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 01:42 PM |
#95 |
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Censure INSTEAD OF IMPEACHMENT |
WildEyedLiberal |
Mar-30-06 03:09 PM |
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YOU don't know who is against censure because they haven't VOTED ON IT. |
blm |
Mar-30-06 03:26 PM |
#125 |
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i got this automated response from bill nelson |
flblu2 |
Mar-30-06 07:48 AM |
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cowering???? or just dont agree with feingold on approach |
seabeyond |
Mar-30-06 09:05 AM |
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yes, cowering. |
garybeck |
Mar-30-06 01:30 PM |
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I can think of more for impeachment, Censure is weak! |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 01:40 PM |
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If they won't go for Censure, they won't go for Impeachment.. |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 01:45 PM |
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Isn't it obvious that until they take back Congress it's moot? n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 01:58 PM |
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I've been suggesting, that we won't see a Democratic Congress Impeach |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 02:25 PM |
#107 |
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Why stop everything. Is there Republican support for censure? n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 02:31 PM |
#110 |
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Stop? Stopping what? |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 02:41 PM |
#113 |
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Hear ! Hear! |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 01:44 PM |
#96 |
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well they are doing "something". but obviously it doesnt matter to |
seabeyond |
Mar-30-06 02:03 PM |
#104 |
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btw, censor is fine with me, impeachment is fine with me, |
seabeyond |
Mar-30-06 02:04 PM |
#105 |
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speaking of rhetoric... what exactly ARE they doing? |
garybeck |
Mar-30-06 02:47 PM |
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that's what i want to know.. exactly what are they doing? |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 02:53 PM |
#119 |
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exactly. the lack of response is your answer... |
garybeck |
Mar-31-06 12:38 PM |
#142 |
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Their lack of response reminds me of Scalia's jesture |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 01:17 PM |
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What I don't get is that we have two men |
LittleClarkie |
Mar-31-06 12:47 PM |
#144 |
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I never saw this as a political stunt, or that Feingold would succeed |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 01:01 PM |
#146 |
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Did you see Kerry and the fillibuster as a stunt? |
LittleClarkie |
Mar-31-06 01:04 PM |
#147 |
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absolutely not... I was very pro-filibuster |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 01:15 PM |
#148 |
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Groovy. I was very disturbed when a Dem/near Green co-worker |
LittleClarkie |
Mar-31-06 01:28 PM |
#153 |
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Actually, R4P didn't support Kerry |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-01-06 01:03 PM |
#171 |
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Kerry shouldn't have HAD to lead it - he's not a judiciary Dem. |
blm |
Mar-31-06 01:37 PM |
#155 |
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Kerry wanted to lead this because it was a campaign promise |
radio4progressives |
Apr-01-06 12:39 AM |
#162 |
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BULLSHIT you did not! |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-01-06 01:01 PM |
#170 |
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the BIG missing point in all of this discussion is:::::> |
garybeck |
Mar-30-06 01:21 PM |
#90 |
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exactly |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 01:48 PM |
#99 |
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And how exactly does censure, attempted or real, stop Bush? |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 02:01 PM |
#103 |
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Censure Resolution Officially Puts him "On Notice" and |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 02:22 PM |
#106 |
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An investigation, with or without censure, can lead to impeachment n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 02:26 PM |
#108 |
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true, but don't we also want prosecution and conviction? |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 02:28 PM |
#109 |
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Censure is not prosecution, and has no impact on an investigation. n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 02:33 PM |
#111 |
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omg. i know that. |
radio4progressives |
Mar-30-06 02:38 PM |
#112 |
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I don't think you do. |
WildEyedLiberal |
Mar-30-06 03:11 PM |
#122 |
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who cares. |
garybeck |
Mar-30-06 02:49 PM |
#117 |
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I do. I don't want an apology from Bush. Americans don't know? n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 02:53 PM |
#120 |
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no, they don't know. |
garybeck |
Mar-30-06 04:09 PM |
#129 |
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About 65% of the other half don't care, and the rest want proof. n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-30-06 04:17 PM |
#130 |
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Kennedy and Leahy already demanded ALL the NSA documents for the committee |
blm |
Mar-30-06 03:39 PM |
#127 |
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I note with interest |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-31-06 11:35 AM |
#136 |
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Everything "Reflects Badly" on the Democrats |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 11:52 AM |
#137 |
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"censure motion's inevitable failure will reflect badly on the Democrats." |
garybeck |
Mar-31-06 12:41 PM |
#143 |
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I'm afraid this is rather what I mean. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-31-06 01:26 PM |
#152 |
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Since when did defending the Bill of Rights become a "Far Left" issue? |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 02:49 PM |
#157 |
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Empty rhetoric. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-31-06 03:10 PM |
#159 |
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Talk about Empty Rhetoric and Tortured Logic |
radio4progressives |
Apr-01-06 12:55 AM |
#165 |
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But it won't happen! |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-01-06 04:04 AM |
#167 |
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they are all dirty and they know it. |
NVMojo |
Mar-31-06 11:54 AM |
#138 |
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My Hunch Proved Out Today & Feingold Nailed it when he said Cover Up! |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 11:58 AM |
#139 |
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Russ |
mdmc |
Mar-31-06 12:26 PM |
#141 |
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yes he does... bless his freedom rocking heart and soul... |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 12:50 PM |
#145 |
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I think you're wrong - Feingold SUCCEEDED TODAY - he forced media to cover |
blm |
Mar-31-06 01:23 PM |
#151 |
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Huh? There was no accountability for the Public Record Today.. |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 02:45 PM |
#156 |
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He got the Republican's defense on RECORD and the testimony FOR censure |
blm |
Mar-31-06 03:02 PM |
#158 |
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Yes I agree with this point, which is why I supported it to begin with |
radio4progressives |
Mar-31-06 03:14 PM |
#160 |
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That's what happens when you act on the fly - preparation and friends are |
blm |
Mar-31-06 06:47 PM |
#161 |
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Feingold 'succeeded' today? |
robcon |
Apr-01-06 07:55 AM |
#168 |
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Jesus! |
0007 |
Apr-01-06 01:04 PM |
#172 |
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