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35. Kicked for renewed discussion (contains spoilers)
Welcome to Du BobCatJH :toast:

I found the movie very interesting on various levels. One of which was the understanding that it was agitprop. The premise of a lone hero saving a people from a corrupt government appeals to a wide demographic - of course there are DUer's like us, but self-professed rebels of all sorts, including most young people must have also identified with V for at least some of the time.

Since we are to understand that the buildings were unpopulated when they were destroyed, their destruction is a call for the death of a symbol, not intended to cause loss of life.

Still, we all know the film will ultimately be dismissed by the right wing as a film asking its viewers to identify with terrorists. It is important that the plural "terrorists" is used rather than the singular "terrorist," this encourages multiple images in our minds, predominantly Saddam Hussein and Usama Bin Laden - rather than a lone actor, Hugo Weaving as V.

It is amusing watching Bush's propaganda people screw up their response to this movie. It is set in and is about England at the time the graphic novel was written. But they can't help seeing it as a direct attack on Bush. It betrays a certain insecurity, does it not? In a night at the local multiplex, one isn't often confronted with the portrayals of secretive administrations which use fear to control their people, which have significant control of the media, and whose methods involve an intentional framed calamity for which the government then provided the cure. If Bush has been such a great president, why worry if some left-wing loonies are going to - gulp - see connections between the Bush administration and the far more reactionary government of this film? Remember that in the film the leaders of the government are demonstrated to be incredibly corrupt and to have committed heinous crimes against humanity; again, if Bush has been such a great president, why assume anyone is pointing any fingers at Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi, Wolfie, O'Splotchy, etc. etc.?

When you are saying stuff like "this movie is a blatant political attack on the Bush administration," you are yielding to your political opponent's frames - our government rules by fear, the media is bought and paid for, loyalty to country is flagrantly conflated with support for terrorists, and our sons and daughters should never have been sent to fight Bush's ill-advised (even, of course, at the time) war in Iraq. And that is all to the good.

I urge all Duer's to continue to see the film and make up your own mind. And take someone with you, maybe someone you think is ripe for a shot of revolutionary zeal.


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  "V for Vendetta" and the power of ideas BobcatJH  Mar-21-06 12:23 PM   #0 
   Ideas are viruses  C_U_L8R   Mar-21-06 12:29 PM   #1 
   Yup I agree...  skooooo   Mar-21-06 12:41 PM   #2 
   Excellent post and analysis, BobcatJH .......  hwmnbn   Mar-21-06 12:41 PM   #3 
   Conversation at the feed store this morning.  MuseRider   Mar-21-06 12:45 PM   #4 
   I have a question?  Jeffersons Ghost   Mar-21-06 12:54 PM   #5 
   No. He isn't.....he's one of the victims....  sutz12   Mar-21-06 01:04 PM   #6 
   good box office gives a message  Jeffersons Ghost   Mar-21-06 01:11 PM   #8 
   Warning, spoilers!  TheWraith   Mar-21-06 01:07 PM   #7 
   No, the Protaganist is an Anarchist to the core..  radio4progressives   Mar-22-06 11:29 AM   #23 
   The Religious Right will do what they always do....  file83   Mar-21-06 01:25 PM   #9 
   exactly..  radio4progressives   Mar-22-06 11:32 AM   #24 
   I just wish...  Kazak   Mar-21-06 01:32 PM   #10 
   symbolism - it didn't "condone" random blowing up of buildings  radio4progressives   Mar-22-06 11:34 AM   #25 
   Very good. You can see here how much I agree.  Neil Lisst   Mar-21-06 01:33 PM   #11 
   these are fabulous...  radio4progressives   Mar-22-06 11:35 AM   #26 
   Great toons, thanks! (NT)  Ignis   Mar-31-06 01:18 PM   #38 
   Excellent post BobCat..  radio4progressives   Mar-21-06 01:38 PM   #12 
   The sheep are to blind to see the meaning behind this film.  sarcasmo   Mar-21-06 01:43 PM   #13 
   I went to see it yesterday and absolutely  femrap   Mar-21-06 02:00 PM   #14 
   guess there is no middle america anymore  Mrspeeker   Mar-21-06 04:47 PM   #15 
   I will tell you about my experience with this movie --  Turn CO Blue   Mar-21-06 05:02 PM   #16 
   I was stunned with a feeling of exhilaration and inspiration...  radio4progressives   Mar-22-06 11:37 AM   #27 
   Perhaps not so far off.  Theide   Mar-22-06 01:59 PM   #31 
      That would be the True Patriot Act..  radio4progressives   Mar-22-06 03:30 PM   #33 
   A march in Washington DC - on 9/11/06- by millions wearing 'V'  Left Below   Mar-21-06 05:39 PM   #17 
   i know... someone is going to make a killing replicating the masks  radio4progressives   Mar-22-06 11:38 AM   #28 
   In the first scene with Finch  burythehatchet   Mar-21-06 06:00 PM   #18 
   I didn't know the story line..  radio4progressives   Mar-22-06 11:40 AM   #29 
   Damn good review, Bobcat  RoadRunner   Mar-21-06 08:46 PM   #19 
   Saw it this evening  Debs   Mar-22-06 02:32 AM   #20 
   Wow... Your review blows me away.  Stand and Fight   Mar-22-06 10:13 AM   #21 
   Excellent movie  porkrind   Mar-22-06 11:19 AM   #22 
   And it's ENTERTAINING!!!!  iconoclastNYC   Mar-22-06 01:03 PM   #30 
   Amazing review/analysis!  WildEyedLiberal   Mar-22-06 03:25 PM   #32 
   I saw it this past Friday and when it ended I wanted to stand  MadMaddie   Mar-22-06 03:31 PM   #34 
   Kicked for renewed discussion (contains spoilers)  alarcojon   Mar-24-06 08:39 PM   #35 
   Didn't like it at all.  punistation   Mar-31-06 10:23 AM   #36 
   one of my 16 y.o. students recommended it to me,said I'd love it & gave  wordpix   Mar-31-06 10:39 AM   #37 
 

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