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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. on the contrary
You apparently have a misguided notion as to the nature of Democrats from Wilson to the present.
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  -Bull Moose says first Democrats must do no harm. He angers me. madfloridian  Mar-18-06 11:56 PM   #0 
  - They are so out of touch. I will not vote for anyone who is associated  Crazy Guggenheim   Mar-19-06 12:00 AM   #1 
  - Here you go.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 12:02 AM   #4 
  - If Dems do nothing, people won't vote for them.  Tom Joad   Mar-19-06 12:02 AM   #2 
  - I think we saw how well the DLC strategy worked in recent years...  regnaD kciN   Mar-19-06 12:02 AM   #3 
  - It's working as intended. Most Democrats are not just losers, they are  Jim Sagle   Mar-19-06 12:11 AM   #5 
     - I fear you may be right.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 12:18 AM   #7 
  - the only person the DLC could get elected was Bill Clinton  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 12:12 AM   #6 
  - Interesting you said that.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 12:30 AM   #10 
  - yeah, I'd say he has it dead on  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 12:37 AM   #11 
  - Exactly!  AX10   Mar-19-06 03:03 PM   #15 
  - What most frustrated me about the Clinton campaigns  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 04:20 AM   #117 
     - he did win as a REAL Democrat  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 05:13 AM   #130 
  - the DLC has gotten many people elected  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:04 PM   #18 
  - Then why are we so out of power?  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:12 PM   #24 
  - maybe because the more "progressive" among us can't win?  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:24 PM   #29 
     - Oh, God...wyldwolf, how sad for you to post such stuff.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:30 PM   #30 
     - uh... that would be you and you're playing the victim again.  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:32 PM   #31 
        - victim, victim, paranoia, paranoia, victim, paranoia  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:34 PM   #35 
        - we get them from you  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:35 PM   #37 
        - I would ask you the same.  AX10   Mar-19-06 04:19 PM   #50 
           - I have.  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 04:32 PM   #53 
     - Paul Wellstone ring a bell?  AX10   Mar-19-06 03:32 PM   #32 
     - sure does. But we're still out of power... right?  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:33 PM   #34 
        - and what the HELL have people such as...  AX10   Mar-19-06 04:02 PM   #46 
        - is that the point?  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 04:04 PM   #47 
           - While Huffington is an advocate, just as Whitman is...  AX10   Mar-19-06 04:17 PM   #49 
              - it is a matter of opinion  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 04:33 PM   #54 
                 - it's a matter of voting record and principle  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:00 PM   #66 
                    - opinions have everything to do with it. "Principle" is an opinion  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:04 PM   #69 
                       - not when party tenets are involved  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:14 PM   #74 
                          - what are "party tenets?"  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:15 PM   #76 
                             - if you don't know then it's no use even arguing  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:20 PM   #79 
                                - Actually, I believe you don't know  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:21 PM   #80 
                                   - yeah, plenty of Dems that don't conform to my party beliefs  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:26 PM   #83 
                                      - ok  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:30 PM   #87 
                                         - you didn't understand that  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:44 PM   #90 
                                         - on the contrary  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:49 PM   #91 
                                         - not really  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:53 PM   #93 
                                         - yes, really  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:57 PM   #96 
                                         - you don't have a clue about much  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 10:27 PM   #99 
                                         - when you can't speak to the fact, personal attack!  wyldwolf   Mar-20-06 04:50 AM   #100 
        - Largely because we haven't reached out to the people  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 04:46 AM   #121 
     - name one and name the issue  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 05:58 PM   #64 
     - Kucinich and national defense  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:02 PM   #67 
        - those don't work  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:11 PM   #71 
           - LOL!  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:13 PM   #73 
              - the way it is currently used it is  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:17 PM   #77 
              - no it isn't  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:19 PM   #78 
                 - yes, you did  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:24 PM   #81 
                    - I didn't say that. Quote the post  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:25 PM   #82 
                       - sure, and Bush never said Saddam had anything  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:27 PM   #84 
                          - quote the post  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:29 PM   #86 
                             - you'll wiggle out of it but....  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 06:38 PM   #89 
                                - nope. It's you trying to twist what I said  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:52 PM   #92 
                                   - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-19-06 06:56 PM   #95 
              - We can't go back to spending more on defense than Republicans  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 04:26 AM   #118 
              - who says we'd have to?  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 05:12 AM   #129 
                 - We'd end up having to because your wing of the party  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 03:04 PM   #136 
                    - Again, making bold claims with no sources  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 03:15 PM   #139 
                       - The polls showed that Humphrey was the weakest candidate in '68  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 03:19 PM   #141 
                       - link on that poll?  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 03:21 PM   #143 
                          - I am sending enquiries to the Harris and Gallup polling archives.  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 08:03 PM   #149 
                             - a historical point by point comparison  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 08:28 PM   #151 
                                - Christ, I'll need a few days.  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 11:06 PM   #157 
                                - Pedantic? I'm seeking the truth.  wyldwolf   Mar-22-06 04:56 AM   #163 
                                   - My claims aren't unchallenged.  Ken Burch   Mar-22-06 04:50 PM   #170 
                                   - that wasn't what we were discussing  wyldwolf   Mar-22-06 05:17 PM   #176 
                                - I'm working on it. Why are you being so rigid about this?  Ken Burch   Mar-22-06 04:49 PM   #169 
                                   - you've given me no proof  wyldwolf   Mar-22-06 05:13 PM   #175 
                       - Stop implying that I'm not telling the truth.  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 11:14 PM   #160 
                          - I'm not implying that. I'm just asking you to prove what you say  wyldwolf   Mar-22-06 05:03 AM   #164 
              - You're still arguing that we have to be indistinguishable from the GOP  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 04:41 AM   #120 
                 - by saying we have to be strong on national defense?  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 05:10 AM   #127 
                    - Your wing of the party insisted that the only way we could prove  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 03:09 PM   #137 
                       - bold yet dubious claims. No sources.  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 03:19 PM   #142 
                          - Not outlandish sources. Democratic defense policy from 1945 to 1968.  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 07:25 PM   #147 
                             - Completely outlandish, This was your claim:  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 08:31 PM   #152 
                                - THE HISTORY PROVES IT!  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 11:11 PM   #159 
                                - Quotes? Links?  wyldwolf   Mar-22-06 04:55 AM   #162 
                                   - I'm researching it. But I didn't it up.  Ken Burch   Mar-22-06 04:47 PM   #168 
                                      - you're going to quote Chomsky and Zinn???  wyldwolf   Mar-22-06 05:11 PM   #174 
                                         - They are reputable historians.  Ken Burch   Mar-22-06 05:28 PM   #177 
                                         - go ahead, then  wyldwolf   Mar-22-06 05:42 PM   #178 
                                - It's what Democratic hawks did from 1945 to 1968.  Ken Burch   Mar-22-06 05:00 PM   #172 
     - Hey, we're on a roll! ! At this rate, we stand to hit the trifecta in '08!  Aaaargh   Mar-20-06 06:07 AM   #101 
     - LOL  wyldwolf   Mar-20-06 04:06 PM   #103 
        - Kerry was NOT the strongest candidate we could have run.  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 08:05 PM   #150 
           - Did I say he was? I don't recall mentioning Kerry at all.  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 08:34 PM   #154 
              - I was responding to a Benchley post there and inadvertently replied  Ken Burch   Mar-23-06 07:56 PM   #180 
     - If progressives have so much influence, one would think they are not  rman   Mar-21-06 08:26 AM   #135 
  - how many times have they won back congress?  Wetzelbill   Mar-19-06 05:48 PM   #61 
  - since when?  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 05:59 PM   #65 
  - Like who?  DrGonzoLives   Mar-20-06 08:35 PM   #113 
  - Clinton won partly because of Ross Perot.  abbiehoff   Mar-20-06 04:16 PM   #104 
     - not true  wyldwolf   Mar-20-06 04:27 PM   #105 
  - This is the worst advise I've ever seen. Great find. Thank you.  autorank   Mar-19-06 12:21 AM   #8 
  - "Do no harm?!"  gratuitous   Mar-19-06 12:24 AM   #9 
  - Everytime I've read one of this goons...  w13rd0   Mar-19-06 01:50 AM   #12 
  - Moose Heaven....contains McCain and Lieberman as heroes.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 02:47 PM   #13 
  - "Scoop Jackson" is buring in Hell right now.  AX10   Mar-19-06 03:19 PM   #27 
  - Scoop Jackson Democrats did everything they could  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 04:52 AM   #122 
  - Yeah, Moose, Lieberman showed real integrity when he voted for cloture on  flpoljunkie   Mar-19-06 06:29 PM   #85 
  - Why would Dems in DC listen to him?  OzarkDem   Mar-20-06 08:34 PM   #112 
  - I have nothing but pure contempt for the GD DLC!  AX10   Mar-19-06 03:02 PM   #14 
  - I agree with this fully  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:03 PM   #16 
  - Do not dare accuse ANY of us here of not wanting to win.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:07 PM   #20 
  - hey! I'm doing it!  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:11 PM   #22 
     - Fooled you again....WW...I am not "on the left."  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:14 PM   #25 
     - I too am in the middle. The DLC took the party to the right...  AX10   Mar-19-06 03:17 PM   #26 
     - you've never fooled me once  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:22 PM   #28 
     - You are really doing great PR for your DLC.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:32 PM   #33 
        - right. So let's stick to the facts  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:34 PM   #36 
           - What facts are you asking me for?  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:38 PM   #38 
              - facts in general instead of knee-jerk reactions  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:45 PM   #40 
                 - I did not make the first statement. Get your facts straight.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:49 PM   #42 
                    - I didn't say you made the first statement. Get YOUR facts straight  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:52 PM   #43 
     - that is the part that irritates me  Zodiak Ironfist   Mar-20-06 07:18 AM   #102 
     - There are very few on the left who don't want a dem victory in November  Hippo_Tron   Mar-19-06 04:14 PM   #48 
        - I have no disagreement with any of that  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 04:31 PM   #52 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-06 05:37 PM   #58 
           - The DLC is not supposed to be supporting candidates, is it?  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 05:50 PM   #62 
           - If you see a problem, report it to the FEC  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:03 PM   #68 
              - I do see a problem  knight_of_the_star   Mar-20-06 05:22 PM   #108 
                 - report it to the FEC  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 08:32 PM   #153 
           - We will ALL celebrate a Democratic victory if we get one  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 05:02 AM   #124 
              - I don't think so  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 05:06 AM   #125 
  - Wow  knight_of_the_star   Mar-20-06 05:12 PM   #107 
  - It doesn't have to be a choice between censure OR winning in November.  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 04:34 AM   #119 
     - no one has said as such. Where do you get that from?  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 05:11 AM   #128 
        - "strong on national defense" is a code phrase.  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 03:16 PM   #140 
        - maybe in some wacky tinfoil hat world... unless...  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 03:24 PM   #144 
        - That's what those who support Hillary are insisting on.  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 07:27 PM   #148 
           - Another sourceless yet bold proclamation  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 08:35 PM   #155 
              - Hillary is still supporting the war. Therefore, she is demanding  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 11:10 PM   #158 
                 - Quotes?  wyldwolf   Mar-22-06 04:54 AM   #161 
                 - Stop repeating "Quotes, Links"!  Ken Burch   Mar-22-06 04:52 PM   #171 
                 - Here are some facts.  Ken Burch   Mar-22-06 05:05 PM   #173 
  - "former lobbyist for Pat Robertson at the Christian Coalition"  Zhade   Mar-19-06 03:03 PM   #17 
  - Yes, a record as clean as David Brock's and Arianna Huffington's  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:04 PM   #19 
     - But they are on OUR side....Bull Moose despises activists.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:08 PM   #21 
     - Arianne looks down her nose at Democrats  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:11 PM   #23 
     - She's not a Democrat.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 03:43 PM   #39 
     - so?  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 03:46 PM   #41 
        - This "concentrate on winning in November" thinking misses the point...  PBass   Mar-19-06 03:54 PM   #44 
        - Democrats will win in November based on what they're doing now  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 04:01 PM   #45 
           - Pardon me?  PBass   Mar-19-06 04:21 PM   #51 
              - why would I make such a charge if I had no source?  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 04:37 PM   #55 
                 - It doesn't matter if 99.9%  sonoradesertdem   Mar-19-06 05:39 PM   #59 
                 - right, but...  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 05:56 PM   #63 
                 - We also can't let them define the debate  knight_of_the_star   Mar-20-06 05:30 PM   #110 
                 - Thank you for your sanity.  Zhade   Mar-19-06 09:48 PM   #98 
                 - Hold on a sec. Let's look at your own polling numbers a little  PassingFair   Mar-20-06 10:01 PM   #116 
                 - OK, let's do  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 05:15 AM   #131 
                 - *  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-21-06 08:49 PM   #156 
        - The "Moose" is a neocon - a slavish devotee  sonoradesertdem   Mar-19-06 04:47 PM   #56 
     - Most progressives ARE Democrats  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 04:55 AM   #123 
        - maybe small "d"  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 05:08 AM   #126 
           - Implying that DU'ers don't want the Democrats to win is the same thing.  Ken Burch   Mar-21-06 03:10 PM   #138 
              - I didn't imply that  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 03:26 PM   #145 
     - Or at Democrats, period  OzarkDem   Mar-20-06 08:36 PM   #114 
     - When Whitmann repudiates his formerly-held (?) positions...  Zhade   Mar-19-06 09:47 PM   #97 
     - You are ignoring substantial evidence there  knight_of_the_star   Mar-20-06 05:24 PM   #109 
        - Seldom do you hear  OzarkDem   Mar-20-06 08:37 PM   #115 
        - want to compare numbers?  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 05:22 AM   #133 
        - interesting  wyldwolf   Mar-21-06 05:17 AM   #132 
  - Never thought I'd see the day when the likes of Marshall Wittmann  LincolnMcGrath   Mar-19-06 04:48 PM   #57 
  - In this blog Bull Moose compares us to Jim Jones followers and Kool-aid.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 05:39 PM   #60 
  - At DU, an on KOS, and on Huffington, and on Sirota's blog  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:06 PM   #70 
     - You really don't see the difference. You truly don't see it.  madfloridian   Mar-19-06 06:11 PM   #72 
        - No actually, you don't  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:14 PM   #75 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-06 06:37 PM   #88 
  - now THAT is funny  wyldwolf   Mar-19-06 06:53 PM   #94 
  - Speaking of "Republican Lite"  NoPasaran   Mar-20-06 04:32 PM   #106 
  - This dude is playing for the other team  Generator   Mar-20-06 08:19 PM   #111 
  - Honestly,  mrgorth   Mar-21-06 08:12 AM   #134 
  - If "bullmoose" likes to be referred to  zidzi   Mar-21-06 06:50 PM   #146 
  - David Sirota says Wittman is former Christian Coalition  RazzleDazzle   Mar-22-06 02:53 PM   #165 
  - "First do no harm" to one another is how I would take this?  mzmolly   Mar-22-06 02:57 PM   #166 
     - No, no, mzmolly. He means do no harm to Republicans.  madfloridian   Mar-22-06 03:02 PM   #167 
        - Well if that's what he meant - WTF is he doing advising Democrats?!  mzmolly   Mar-22-06 07:01 PM   #179 
 

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