Fredda Weinberg
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Wed Mar-01-06 11:24 PM
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Electronic voting has the potential advantage of being cheap, more reliable than existing systems (especially here in NY, where we use lever machines that have never provided an audit trail) and provide accessibility to the handicapped.
So we can't just dismiss the technology - nor can we reject the existing mechanisms by which governments adopt these systems. Unless and until we can present an alternative, proprietary systems will be selected and existing authorities will influence the decision-makers.
But citizens can make a difference ... again, I use a metaphor everyone can understand: you wouldn't walk away from an ATM without a receipt, nor should voters allow potentially malicious code to affect an election.
But as a practical issue, we can't expect a paper recount for every race - but if there is a paper trail, officials will conduct statistical samples to verify the reliability of the results. The audit trail must include a voter verifiable component or the system remains vulnerable to tampering.
I think we can agree on this ... years ago, I called the League of Women Voters headquarters when they were solidly behind DREs and made this argument - and got a friendly response. Citizens can make a difference if we're willing to act.
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| -Need talking points from DUers educated on electronic voting |
Sperk |
Mar-01-06 04:25 PM |
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ask in the Election Reform forum, they'll be glad to help! |
AZDemDist6 |
Mar-01-06 04:26 PM |
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thanks will do |
Sperk |
Mar-01-06 04:26 PM |
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Try this link |
RufusEarl |
Mar-01-06 04:31 PM |
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It's not so simple |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-01-06 04:32 PM |
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It's very simple to hack an election. |
Wilms |
Mar-01-06 04:39 PM |
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Paper ballots have errors too |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-01-06 09:48 PM |
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Let me apologize for the hostile tone of my previous post, |
Wilms |
Mar-01-06 10:50 PM |
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It even sounds convincing |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-01-06 11:24 PM |
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I guess we disagree. |
Wilms |
Mar-02-06 12:48 AM |
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Pick your own metaphor |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-02-06 01:03 PM |
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Must I apologize for "personal attacks" I have not made? |
Wilms |
Mar-02-06 01:46 PM |
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Yes NDAs have been signed - and that's biz as usual |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-02-06 02:46 PM |
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"biz as usual" does not make it acceptable. |
Wilms |
Mar-02-06 03:03 PM |
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When the accusation is conspiracy, biz as usual is a rebuttal |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-02-06 07:09 PM |
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Have I asserted conspiracy? |
Wilms |
Mar-02-06 07:53 PM |
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This thread's not about you |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-02-06 08:40 PM |
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This thread's not about me being argued with because you disagree w/others |
Wilms |
Mar-02-06 09:09 PM |
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Others haven't examined Diebold's code |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-03-06 01:56 PM |
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Yes, mommy. |
Wilms |
Mar-03-06 02:36 PM |
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Funny, but my manager calls me 'Mom' |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-04-06 12:20 AM |
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Bzzzzt, WRONG |
Boredtodeath |
Mar-01-06 04:42 PM |
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Get your facts straight |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-01-06 09:43 PM |
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You wouldn't know a FACT if it bit you in the ass |
Boredtodeath |
Mar-02-06 01:51 PM |
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A security violation is not deliberately coded fraud nor is it a conspirac |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-02-06 02:54 PM |
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Link for Avi's praise? n/t |
Wilms |
Mar-02-06 07:54 PM |
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I think I've been over this before with you |
Fredda Weinberg |
Mar-02-06 09:15 PM |
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You may presume I wasn't "interested enough", or whatever. FWIW |
Wilms |
Mar-02-06 10:20 PM |
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MOre than three companies, just three main companies. Here: |
Amaryllis |
Mar-01-06 05:39 PM |
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thanks so much |
Sperk |
Mar-01-06 07:05 PM |
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Amaryllis, where's the link(s) with the info on the companies? |
Wilms |
Mar-01-06 10:53 PM |
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Here, but if you look on the left side of the home page, there is a list |
Amaryllis |
Mar-02-06 03:14 PM |
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That's a good question, Sperk |
BeFree |
Mar-01-06 10:09 PM |
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THis is a good question: Why is secret vote counting allowed? |
Amaryllis |
Mar-01-06 10:49 PM |
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This may help: |
Amaryllis |
Mar-01-06 10:45 PM |
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Just remember, 1 in 13.6 TRILLION. |
BlueIris |
Mar-02-06 12:06 AM |
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Stick to election conditions |
GuvWurld |
Mar-02-06 12:27 AM |
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Guv and I agree on this (see my post #7) They will argue with |
Amaryllis |
Mar-02-06 03:18 PM |
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There couldn't be anything more forceful |
Justice Is Comin |
Mar-02-06 01:32 AM |
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Ask why we need instant results other than to give the TV networks |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-02-06 01:29 PM |
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I have some Massachusetts leads for you |
paineinthearse |
Mar-03-06 03:12 PM |
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Ask Secretary of State Galvin |
paineinthearse |
Mar-03-06 03:18 PM |
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