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4. Dean's "grassroots cash was a genuine threat to Party Brass..."
Given that this is how big money works for Washington Democrats, it is little wonder that Schwartz wanted to punish Dean for challenging the DC norm, even if the presidential hopeful had only stumbled into the role of maverick progressive by accident. The truth is, Schwartz didnt want this new base of Democratic activists to take over the party he did business with.

Evidently, Deans movement scared the money-hungry Democrats right out of their thousand-dollar suits. McAuliffe, Reed, Kerry, Gephardt, and the Clintons were terrified of what he could do to the party they worked so hard to build during the 1990s. It didnt matter that Dean was ideologically aligned with these centrist Democrats -- his grassroots cash was a genuine threat to party brass.


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Unfortunately, Dean forgot to mention that Kerry and the Democrats never planned on bringing real transformation even if Kerry had won, which well get to later.

The Dean saga shows just how far right we are politically in the United States. Many have theories as to how this gross Democratic mindset unfolded, but the fact is, this trend is here to stay, and working within the party -- though noble in some regards -- cannot produce genuine shifts in ideological values, especially at the national level. Regrettably, even when there are signs that progressive challenges will alter the status quo of Washington politics, they all die a not-so-pleasant death.

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  -JOSHUA FRANK: How the Dems Kill Their Own: Remembering Howard Dean Tace  Feb-20-06 10:12 AM   #0 
  - Odd, since Frank always attacks Dean's centrism the last 2yrs, himself.  blm   Feb-20-06 10:33 AM   #1 
  - Well I read the whole thing  zeemike   Feb-20-06 10:50 AM   #2 
  - The same group would've gone after Clark too  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 05:32 PM   #24 
  - Except that Clark never had a chance  zeemike   Feb-20-06 06:19 PM   #33 
     - Because he entered the race late!  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 07:56 PM   #37 
        - With all due respects  zeemike   Feb-21-06 06:39 AM   #55 
  - I always thought Clark was the Clintons hand picked  formernaderite   Feb-20-06 08:58 PM   #47 
  - Funny -- Dean's supporters are among the most eager to destroy other Dems  dolstein   Feb-20-06 11:44 AM   #3 
  - dolstein, I don't believe you read the whole article or you wouldn't have  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 12:07 PM   #5 
  - Sorry, I stopped reading fairy tales when I was in kindergarten  dolstein   Feb-20-06 12:28 PM   #7 
  - You admit you didn't read the article or the hundreds of other articles on  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 01:16 PM   #9 
  - Wrong  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 05:37 PM   #27 
  - For once, I agree with Dolstein  Capn Sunshine   Feb-20-06 01:29 PM   #11 
  - How has the "left" managed to do a pretty good job of marginalizing  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 02:34 PM   #20 
     - what, you need a list?  Capn Sunshine   Feb-20-06 07:59 PM   #38 
        - The Democratic party is the center? LOL  depakid   Feb-21-06 04:05 AM   #53 
  - Don't you mean don't confuse you with the facts?  RazzleDazzle   Feb-20-06 07:35 PM   #36 
  - The DLC has STATED and WRITTEN goals that  TankLV   Feb-20-06 08:45 PM   #43 
  - Gephardt was DLC? And Dean was a Progressive?  rinsd   Feb-20-06 02:06 PM   #18 
  - DEAN IS A FORMER DLCER HIMSELF!  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 05:35 PM   #26 
  - And never mind the fact  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 05:34 PM   #25 
  - Thanks for revealing your ignorance  JNelson6563   Feb-21-06 05:12 AM   #54 
  - Dean's "grassroots cash was a genuine threat to Party Brass..."  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 12:04 PM   #4 
  - K&R because this article is a must read for folks here who don't know  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 12:08 PM   #6 
  - As usual Frank total misunderstands Dean and Dean supporters  Larkspur   Feb-20-06 01:11 PM   #8 
  - I agree with much of what you say Larkspur. We just shouldn't forget  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 01:22 PM   #10 
  - I think the book was already written, it's called "Left Out:  jonnyblitz   Feb-20-06 01:36 PM   #14 
  - Oh good grief  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 05:39 PM   #28 
  - The DNC voting members who made Dean chair  Radical Activist   Feb-20-06 05:55 PM   #30 
  - Sing it. :) nt  BullGooseLoony   Feb-20-06 06:58 PM   #35 
  - A Very Poor Article, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-20-06 01:31 PM   #12 
  - Everyone pay attention  Capn Sunshine   Feb-20-06 01:42 PM   #15 
  - Thank You, Captain  The Magistrate   Feb-20-06 01:47 PM   #16 
     - Thank you for confirming my sense of it too.  MH1   Feb-20-06 02:07 PM   #19 
     - That's my take, too. CATO went from praising Dean's centrist pragmatism  blm   Feb-20-06 05:16 PM   #22 
  - Bingo  WildEyedLiberal   Feb-20-06 05:15 PM   #21 
  - Funny, I wonder if he'll defend Kerry against the Beltway Democrats?  MH1   Feb-20-06 01:35 PM   #13 
  - Thank you so much  Le Taz Hot   Feb-20-06 01:59 PM   #17 
  - I think that Clinton may have prompted Clark's run -  karynnj   Feb-20-06 09:39 PM   #50 
  - Even though he used to be one of them  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 05:31 PM   #23 
  - One of what? A beltway Democrat or a DLCer?  Radical Activist   Feb-20-06 06:03 PM   #31 
     - When he was governor he was a DLC member  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 08:02 PM   #39 
  - We all know Dean was a moderate "new" Democrat? Really? Like Clinton?  Radical Activist   Feb-20-06 05:51 PM   #29 
  - Thank you  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 08:06 PM   #41 
  - Here is great synopsis from "The Nation" about DLC's Role......  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 06:15 PM   #32 
  - Very interesting article  FreedomAngel82   Feb-20-06 08:13 PM   #42 
     - I don't know about Obama...but I have a feeling he's pretty centrist but  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 08:53 PM   #44 
  - "Nobody here but us gunslingers" - Paul Begala  threadkillaz   Feb-20-06 06:33 PM   #34 
  - You couldn't get better than what Dean said in that one sentence.  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 08:54 PM   #45 
  - The fix is in, keep Mr. Smith out of the beltway. Unless...........  gordianot   Feb-20-06 08:04 PM   #40 
  - I know...."NO MR. SMITH's are WELCOME, ANYMORE....apologize caps  KoKo01   Feb-20-06 08:55 PM   #46 
  - Smells more and more like Rove  OzarkDem   Feb-20-06 09:01 PM   #48 
  - This article would be more believable if there was  karynnj   Feb-20-06 09:28 PM   #49 
  - I woulda voted for him.  DarkTirade   Feb-21-06 02:53 AM   #51 
  - Dean lost  RogueTrooper   Feb-21-06 03:30 AM   #52 
  - Kerry lost too, to a moron like Bush!  IndianaGreen   Feb-21-06 06:44 AM   #56 
  - I wasn't a Kerry supporter IG  RogueTrooper   Feb-21-06 07:09 AM   #58 
  - amen  Snivi Yllom   Feb-21-06 09:16 AM   #59 
  - Dean had it easy, he didn't have to defend any votes or explain  wisteria   Feb-21-06 10:37 AM   #61 
     - No, I said  RogueTrooper   Feb-21-06 10:48 AM   #62 
  - I absolutely agree  zeemike   Feb-21-06 06:52 AM   #57 
  - rumors of Howard Dean's death are greatly exaggerated  Cocoa   Feb-21-06 09:22 AM   #60 
 

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