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Sun Feb-01-04 02:23 PM
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| 51. Didn't we just spend months hearing this about Dean? |
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There is nothing special about Kerry. He is just another run-of-the-mill opportunistic politician who wants to have "conversations" rather than make decisions.
He has spent his career as a legislator, never a leader.
The times do not call for a man who makes a virtue out of talking out of both sides of his mouth, never saying anything that he can't "nuance" into whatever meaning suits him at the moment.
If THAT is the best we can do, we are toast.
I will support him if he is nominated but not until then.
And if he is nominated I will always regret the loss of the chance to elect a real leader. SO it goes.
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| -Friends, Revolutionaries, Radicals, Progressives: Take a Chance On Kerry |
WiseMen |
Feb-01-04 01:18 AM |
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In the spirit of reconciliation, WiseMen |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-01-04 01:22 AM |
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Spirit shared. Some of us on this side have really worked hard as well |
WiseMen |
Feb-01-04 01:31 AM |
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We can all agree that another Bush term would be a disaster |
IndianaGreen |
Feb-01-04 01:34 AM |
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Kerry needs to reach-out to Dean instead of just ignore him |
Sensitivity |
Feb-04-04 01:08 PM |
#126 |
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Don't expect him to tell you |
wtmusic |
Feb-01-04 01:22 AM |
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he reminds me of a sad aging former activist |
corporatewhore |
Feb-01-04 02:36 AM |
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Ummmmm, no. Not gonna happen. Here's a few reasons why: |
Melinda |
Feb-01-04 01:30 AM |
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It aint stopping in all fairness dean will let it continue |
corporatewhore |
Feb-01-04 01:39 AM |
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We are all angry at it. |
WiseMen |
Feb-01-04 09:18 AM |
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I cried the night the bombs dropped it is just sick what america did |
corporatewhore |
Feb-01-04 01:44 AM |
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I think a collective SCREAM went up that night. But the Media wasn't |
Sensitivity |
Feb-01-04 01:54 AM |
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There a lot of us in the Kerry Camp that felt exactly the same, but |
Raya |
Feb-01-04 02:35 AM |
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It's too late. |
Melinda |
Feb-01-04 02:51 AM |
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So do we all. Only by taking our stand can we try to redeem our guilt |
WiseMen |
Feb-01-04 03:00 AM |
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how is voting for kerry taking a stand? |
corporatewhore |
Feb-01-04 03:45 AM |
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No blood here |
Wife_of_a_Wes_Freak |
Feb-01-04 11:52 AM |
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There is no blood on *MY* hands |
Melinda |
Feb-01-04 04:32 PM |
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This is our country. Till we remove Bush we bear guilt |
WiseMen |
Feb-07-04 07:38 PM |
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*We*? Count me out of Corporate Whore voting. You ARE guilty. |
Melinda |
Feb-09-04 01:47 AM |
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Speak for yourself |
Forkboy |
Feb-02-04 03:28 AM |
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Isn't is Beautiful how we can wash our hands of what our Country does. |
WiseMen |
Feb-04-04 11:12 AM |
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You will not ascribe YOUR guilt to me, sir. |
Melinda |
Feb-04-04 06:27 PM |
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And how do you take the criminals to task |
AntiCoup2k |
Feb-04-04 01:26 PM |
#130 |
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Kerry is the toughest critic. Walk softly and carry a big stick. |
WiseMen |
Feb-04-04 08:38 PM |
#136 |
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How can kerry criticise when he supported the war? Makes me puke. |
zoeyfong |
Feb-09-04 12:36 AM |
#147 |
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It's all about the Congress |
Raya |
Feb-10-04 07:12 PM |
#152 |
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Not supposed to say, but I have seen Kerry tears. He is not cold |
Raya |
Feb-03-04 03:50 PM |
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You got it, Melinda. Here's another reason... |
Wife_of_a_Wes_Freak |
Feb-01-04 11:49 AM |
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Really not fair when I think about it. |
Raya |
Feb-03-04 11:46 PM |
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Kerry and revolutionary makes me laugh as hard as dean and revolutionary |
corporatewhore |
Feb-01-04 01:33 AM |
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This is America. The Real Revolution will not be televised or it will be |
WiseMen |
Feb-01-04 01:37 AM |
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What i meant was its a sad day when kerry is considered revolutionaryor |
corporatewhore |
Feb-01-04 01:47 AM |
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After Feb. all dems will have to take a chance of go back to our hole |
Sensitivity |
Feb-01-04 11:16 AM |
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That is correct, sir! |
Capn Sunshine |
Feb-01-04 01:38 AM |
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wrong spot, nothing to see here. |
Melinda |
Feb-01-04 02:48 AM |
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I laugh hard just at Dean the liberal |
Raya |
Feb-01-04 02:43 PM |
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Not quite as hard I hope. |
WiseMen |
Feb-11-04 01:05 PM |
#153 |
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Wish Folk would see we have no choice. Kerry's really the strongest we got |
Raya |
Feb-01-04 02:12 AM |
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we have no choice according to who you ?ted koppel? also how could kerry |
corporatewhore |
Feb-01-04 02:18 AM |
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Well, please run Kucinich against Bush. Good way to win GE you think? |
WiseMen |
Feb-01-04 03:16 AM |
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actually kucinich has beat repub incumbants freom OHIO not lib havens |
corporatewhore |
Feb-01-04 03:37 AM |
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I support DK, but he is running now. Just has to win. If he doesn't we |
Raya |
Feb-01-04 10:37 AM |
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yep to a cannidate who doesnt support NAFTA/WTO/GATT |
corporatewhore |
Feb-02-04 11:20 PM |
#94 |
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We need to stop the killing and the destruction of our country |
Raya |
Feb-04-04 10:44 AM |
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If an "orthodox" liberal could win in Amercia, Nader would have already |
WiseMen |
Feb-02-04 09:13 AM |
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There are alternatives to "orthodox" other than "spineless flip-flopper" |
JVS |
Feb-02-04 09:31 AM |
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But this isn't the GE. This is the primary season. |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-02-04 09:25 AM |
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It is called a campaign: putting forward your candidate as the best |
WiseMen |
Feb-07-04 06:35 PM |
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Didn't we just spend months hearing this about Dean? |
mikehiggins |
Feb-01-04 02:23 PM |
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Where do you get your information from? |
Raya |
Feb-03-04 12:19 PM |
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Kerry is A Unique Treasure of the Democratic Party. Wish Friends Here |
WiseMen |
Feb-02-04 07:42 PM |
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he is a broken shell of his honorable former self |
darboy |
Feb-04-04 11:27 AM |
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Don't think so. There is no left-leaning but pro-war middle for him to |
zoeyfong |
Feb-09-04 12:43 AM |
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Solid Post...Good Points |
x-g.o.p.er |
Feb-01-04 02:30 AM |
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Yes, But I don't think we are ready for him yet. Try again in a month. |
Sensitivity |
Feb-02-04 01:52 PM |
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Kerry's actions have not justified me taking that leap. |
ibegurpard |
Feb-01-04 02:35 AM |
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Totally right Wiseman! |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-01-04 02:38 AM |
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How? |
hilzoy |
Feb-01-04 11:27 PM |
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No Evidence of that. Look at Iraq Senate Deliberations over past 5 years |
Raya |
Feb-02-04 01:23 AM |
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That is interesting isn't it? |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-08-04 09:51 PM |
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My best argument against Bush |
Wells |
Feb-01-04 03:03 AM |
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There's nothing progressive about kerry's pro-war vote. |
zoeyfong |
Feb-01-04 03:37 AM |
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Hear, hear! |
asthmaticeog |
Feb-01-04 11:03 AM |
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Well said. Insider politicians are the problem, Dem or Repub. |
Casablanca |
Feb-01-04 11:48 AM |
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I will |
Piperay |
Feb-01-04 03:43 AM |
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Not a Chance!! |
jpgpenn |
Feb-01-04 09:23 AM |
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The problem is |
ldoolin |
Feb-01-04 09:36 AM |
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If kerry needs votes to get elected, he can get them from other people... |
JVS |
Feb-01-04 09:44 AM |
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What has Kerry done in the last 10 years? |
goobergunch |
Feb-01-04 10:42 AM |
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No answer to my question I see (n/t) |
goobergunch |
Feb-01-04 02:26 PM |
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Johnkerry.com Pushed Senate/White House to reassess its |
WiseMen |
Feb-02-04 11:17 PM |
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In the last ten years kerry has..... |
corporatewhore |
Feb-03-04 09:36 AM |
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You have to earn that trust. |
ozone_man |
Feb-01-04 10:43 AM |
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Spot on. Wishful thinking doesn't avail. (n/t) |
Iverson |
Feb-01-04 11:24 AM |
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How does the left gain political power in rw Americal? Think about it. |
WiseMen |
Feb-03-04 09:06 AM |
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By holding those that supposedly represent it accounable. |
ibegurpard |
Feb-04-04 06:28 PM |
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That vote for the IWR was certainly "radical". Not. |
bandera |
Feb-01-04 11:41 AM |
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I Never Said Kerry is "Radical:" I said we need to "take a chance" |
WiseMen |
Feb-01-04 12:02 PM |
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I took a chance on Clinton and got endless comprominses and sell outs. |
bandera |
Feb-01-04 12:27 PM |
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Sorry Guy. But we have to get past the IWR. Obviously a disaster |
Raya |
Feb-01-04 04:31 PM |
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No we dont have to get past it |
Forkboy |
Feb-02-04 03:30 AM |
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Why do we have to "get past the IWR"? |
bandera |
Feb-02-04 10:31 AM |
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Because Kerry need you to get passed it |
JVS |
Feb-02-04 10:34 AM |
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You're right about the reason. |
bandera |
Feb-02-04 11:08 AM |
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Let's work for the future of the world. Bush is a clear and present danger |
WiseMen |
Feb-02-04 09:37 PM |
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Bush is an acute symptom, not the disease itself |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-03-04 09:13 AM |
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Very very well put. But how about incremental change potential? |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Feb-04-04 12:31 PM |
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Thanks for making my point |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-04-04 01:16 PM |
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I think you're correct, but that'd be true no matter who won. |
belle |
Feb-07-04 05:04 PM |
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Then let's do it by supporting Kucinich, the Complete Anti-Bush |
Mairead |
Feb-03-04 01:32 PM |
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If you want to "take a chance" go with Dean or Clark |
mikehiggins |
Feb-01-04 02:26 PM |
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Dean and Clark are hardly "chances", IMHO |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-03-04 09:21 AM |
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Sorry but this "appeal" is pathetic, poor salesmanship |
CabalBuster |
Feb-01-04 11:55 AM |
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No thanks. If Kerry's the nom, it exemplifies everything wrong with Dems.. |
RichM |
Feb-01-04 12:18 PM |
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well put...totally agree |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-01-04 12:24 PM |
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Its not just IWR but NAFTA/WTO he isnt a liberal but a neoliberal |
corporatewhore |
Feb-01-04 12:20 PM |
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Kerry doesn't wear a label on his back. Should he? |
WiseMen |
Feb-01-04 02:13 PM |
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I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination |
deutsey |
Feb-01-04 02:16 PM |
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Kerry's MO: I am fighting for every vote. Thanks on behalf of the the Man |
WiseMen |
Feb-01-04 02:25 PM |
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I guess I should be more explicit: |
deutsey |
Feb-01-04 02:29 PM |
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no(nt) |
OhioStateProgressive |
Feb-01-04 02:26 PM |
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not in a million years! |
jpgpenn |
Feb-01-04 02:45 PM |
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A little too long to wait. Have to go speak to some other voters |
WiseMen |
Feb-07-04 04:37 PM |
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Call me an idealist. |
kaitykaity |
Feb-01-04 02:49 PM |
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Kerry is everything I despise about politicians |
CWebster |
Feb-01-04 05:07 PM |
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Name removed |
Feb-01-04 11:00 PM |
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This is the Senator who stabbed America in the back with NAFTA n/t |
anti-NAFTA |
Feb-01-04 05:14 PM |
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I will support Kerry |
hilzoy |
Feb-01-04 11:34 PM |
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Don't think anyone is saying Kerry is a "Good Politician." Just the |
Raya |
Feb-02-04 12:42 AM |
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Do your realy believe Kerry thought that. Or Harkin? |
WiseMen |
Feb-02-04 08:49 PM |
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Bwaahahahahahahaha |
Jacobin |
Feb-02-04 09:18 AM |
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I'm going to keep on saying this until it sinks in |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-02-04 09:19 AM |
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Don't you think DK should work with Kerry? |
WiseMen |
Feb-02-04 09:37 AM |
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DK has stated he will back the nominee if he doesn't win |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-02-04 09:42 AM |
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I guess I was right in calling your question a strawman... |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-03-04 09:24 AM |
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If Kerry truly wanted the best for the US |
Mairead |
Feb-03-04 01:46 PM |
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I argee. Should go with your conscienced. |
WiseMen |
Feb-08-04 09:08 AM |
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if he is the DEM candidate I will have no choice but to vote for |
jonnyblitz |
Feb-02-04 09:22 AM |
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hell no! |
slinkerwink |
Feb-02-04 09:23 AM |
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I don't really trust him |
vision |
Feb-02-04 09:27 AM |
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Whatever |
RetroLounge |
Feb-02-04 09:40 AM |
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Hey, If the Kerry camp wanted to do the "Win Nod then Swing to Middle" |
Raya |
Feb-02-04 01:15 PM |
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I will NOT vote for Kerry. |
TLM |
Feb-02-04 02:00 PM |
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Honestly... |
elb77 |
Feb-02-04 02:07 PM |
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I Just Think Kerry's long record shows we can take a chance on him |
WiseMen |
Feb-02-04 04:32 PM |
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cough NAFTA/WTO/GATT PATRIOT ACT IWR cough |
corporatewhore |
Feb-02-04 11:25 PM |
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Now, now... don't confuse the debate with facts! |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-03-04 09:14 AM |
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As a 'Friend' and a progressive, I think not |
quaker bill |
Feb-02-04 10:43 PM |
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Just what we need |
CWebster |
Feb-03-04 09:17 AM |
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Guess you have been reading the propaganda. Great that that is only |
Raya |
Feb-03-04 10:30 AM |
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Just rereading this |
Forkboy |
Feb-03-04 12:23 PM |
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Someone who is Overtly radical could never be elected. |
WiseMen |
Feb-03-04 12:39 PM |
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Your contortionism is becoming quite impressive, WiseMen |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-03-04 12:46 PM |
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Thank you Irate |
Forkboy |
Feb-03-04 01:14 PM |
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Kerry is radical |
corporatewhore |
Feb-03-04 01:49 PM |
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Kerry voted for fast track for FTAA how do tell the revolutiaries and |
corporatewhore |
Feb-03-04 12:29 PM |
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"Workers of the world, UNITE!" |
Iverson |
Feb-03-04 01:20 PM |
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you forgot FTAA he approved of bushs fast track last year |
corporatewhore |
Feb-03-04 01:47 PM |
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If Kerry is the nominee, |
in_cog_ni_to |
Feb-03-04 02:16 PM |
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Sorry to hear that. Kerry was in Clark's Corner re the Balkans & Pentagon |
WiseMen |
Feb-03-04 04:40 PM |
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absolutely not |
Cheswick |
Feb-03-04 03:54 PM |
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Kerry was Giving Radical and Progressive Speeches when Others Skied |
WiseMen |
Feb-03-04 05:32 PM |
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Kerry does not have the guts to co opt Kucinichs |
corporatewhore |
Feb-04-04 01:10 PM |
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amen wisemen |
kerryistheanswer |
Feb-03-04 05:36 PM |
#120 |
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sorry not yet |
bigfishsmallpond |
Feb-04-04 01:24 PM |
#129 |
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Kerry is Still the best bet. |
Raya |
Feb-04-04 06:20 PM |
#131 |
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i'm tired of politics as usual. |
teevee99 |
Feb-04-04 06:25 PM |
#132 |
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Well, I'm Channeling Karl Marx And It Doesn't Look Promising. |
David Zephyr |
Feb-04-04 06:27 PM |
#133 |
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Keep trying. Saw here that some are having Kerry Dreams (Nightmares) |
WiseMen |
Feb-05-04 04:38 PM |
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Kerry |
frustrated_lefty |
Feb-07-04 04:43 PM |
#139 |
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Guess you will give your all for the nominee, right. |
Raya |
Feb-09-04 08:44 AM |
#151 |
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Uh... Sorry, no... I want to actually BEAT BUSH |
scheming daemons |
Feb-08-04 10:20 PM |
#145 |
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Dennis Kucinich is The One |
liberty rising |
Feb-08-04 11:14 PM |
#146 |
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No to Kerry..I agree with liberty rising...Kucinich |
Desertrose |
Feb-09-04 12:53 AM |
#149 |
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