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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 01:58 PM
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124. Well, I understand that
but I believe that this administration has direct links to the people who bought and paid for 9-11 and allowed it to happen at the very least. So, whilst I'm sympathetic I think there's more to it than meets the eye.

(I hope you don't think that's not a nice thing to say to someone who has a personal link to the tragedy but from what I can tell the majority of New Yorkers also believe the govt was complicit in some way).
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  -Did You Know That Islam Prohibits ANY Image Of Mohammed? omega minimo  Feb-05-06 12:24 PM   #0 
  - i know there used to be prohibitions against images of any human figures  bettyellen   Feb-05-06 12:28 PM   #1 
  - and Nature  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 12:31 PM   #6 
  - i was sure animals too, but i forgot if plants were involved...  bettyellen   Feb-05-06 01:37 PM   #20 
  - Orthodox Judaism, as well.  Cassandra   Feb-07-06 10:40 AM   #143 
  - I just learned this during the recent controversey  Lefty48197   Feb-05-06 12:28 PM   #2 
  - This might be pertinent if...  Llewlladdwr   Feb-05-06 12:29 PM   #3 
  - Very informative, thanks for the link. n/t  iconocrastic   Feb-06-06 07:01 PM   #131 
  - We've also heard conflicting stories regarding this...  formernaderite   Feb-05-06 12:29 PM   #4 
  - Actually strict observance forbids any images of animals, people, etc.  TalkingDog   Feb-05-06 12:31 PM   #5 
  - On the other  Burning Water   Feb-05-06 12:33 PM   #7 
  - Check out the link. Good talk on your question  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 12:37 PM   #10 
  - I'll feel more sympathy  Burning Water   Feb-05-06 12:59 PM   # 
     - The OP is simply about one (overlooked) aspect of this  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 01:10 PM   #18 
        - No, I see you as wrong  Burning Water   Feb-05-06 02:00 PM   #21 
        - An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 10:20 PM   #26 
           - You're right here  Burning Water   Feb-05-06 10:32 PM   #29 
              - You are having this argument all by yourself  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 10:43 PM   #31 
              - As near as I could  Burning Water   Feb-06-06 06:43 PM   #129 
              - Here Here  dubya_dubya_III   Feb-06-06 01:38 PM   #120 
        - There are Protestants that think visual depictions of Jesus as idolotry  AngryAmish   Feb-05-06 11:28 PM   #44 
        - Some think buttons are "fancy" but don't go ripping people's clothes off  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 12:09 AM   #61 
           - Easy, English!!!  AngryAmish   Feb-06-06 12:11 AM   #62 
              - Be careful out der among dem Ainglish ;)  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 12:20 AM   #67 
        - I disagree  BoneDaddy   Feb-06-06 12:30 PM   #112 
           - Agreed  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 06:49 PM   #130 
  - Theocracies n/t  Moochy   Feb-06-06 12:11 AM   #63 
  - Agreed  BoneDaddy   Feb-06-06 12:23 PM   #109 
  - I really appreciate the efforts of those correcting this if its untrue  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 12:35 PM   #8 
  - And why should that matter to those who aren't Muslim?  eallen   Feb-05-06 12:35 PM   #9 
  - That's silly  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 12:38 PM   #11 
  - It Is Not Silly, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Feb-06-06 12:48 AM   #79 
     - eallen used the word "silly"  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 02:18 AM   #85 
     - The Essence Of A Free Society, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Feb-06-06 02:29 AM   #86 
        - The topic has revealed the odd way that some folks see "it"  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 09:20 AM   #98 
        - Mustafa Kemal Attaturk  dubya_dubya_III   Feb-07-06 07:08 PM   #151 
     - Hear, hear!  distantearlywarning   Feb-06-06 09:53 AM   #101 
        - Thank you  omega minimo   Feb-07-06 12:17 AM   #137 
  - I think if they want to live their lives in the 8th century, they can,  augie38   Feb-05-06 12:52 PM   #14 
  - To me yours is the important point eallen  Yupster   Feb-05-06 12:55 PM   #15 
     - Link was provided for more informed opinions  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 12:59 PM   #16 
     - well from what i understand they want the whole world to be  catmother   Feb-05-06 11:37 PM   #50 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-06 06:20 AM   #88 
        - well that statement makes a lot of sense.  catmother   Feb-06-06 12:16 PM   #107 
           - See post #108. You're coming across as hysterical nt  CJCRANE   Feb-06-06 12:28 PM   #111 
        - Well, if that was true  CJCRANE   Feb-06-06 07:17 AM   #90 
           - i'm only repeating what i heard. isn't that in the Koran? and  catmother   Feb-06-06 12:06 PM   #105 
              - What about the poor 100,000  CJCRANE   Feb-06-06 12:21 PM   #108 
                 - i'm not terrifying myself. and yes i do have a nice life, but it  catmother   Feb-06-06 12:49 PM   #115 
                    - Well, I understand that  CJCRANE   Feb-06-06 01:58 PM   #124 
                       - i don't know about most new yorkers but i can assure you that  catmother   Feb-06-06 02:44 PM   #125 
  - Yes, I did. Did you know I don't care?  JackRiddler   Feb-05-06 12:42 PM   #12 
  - Here is as much hatred about religion as the people you criticize  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 12:48 PM   #13 
  - i dont really hate religion... but there are a lot of people that need it  sam sarrha   Feb-05-06 01:08 PM   #17 
     - If all people talkin about democracy, freedom & god quite being hypocrites  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 01:16 PM   #19 
  - "I am intrigued by your philosophy and  Wrinkle_In_Time   Feb-05-06 10:23 PM   #27 
     - thanks Wrinkle!  JackRiddler   Feb-06-06 03:29 PM   #127 
  - Islam is an iconoclast religion  Julius Civitatus   Feb-05-06 02:56 PM   #22 
  - Thank you for sketching that out  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 03:53 PM   #23 
     - Thank you  Julius Civitatus   Feb-06-06 01:37 AM   #84 
  - Did you know they hate freedom of speech?  corporate_mike   Feb-05-06 09:39 PM   #24 
  - It's time for women to take over  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 10:10 PM   #25 
  - well i'll probably get flamed but i don't give a shit. they can make  catmother   Feb-05-06 10:28 PM   #28 
  - All Muslims are terrorists?  IndianaGreen   Feb-05-06 10:39 PM   #30 
     - because everything seems to be about "them". "they" can  catmother   Feb-05-06 10:47 PM   #32 
     - Understood.  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 11:08 PM   #36 
     - thank you for remembering his name. i certainly hope that this  catmother   Feb-05-06 11:31 PM   #45 
     - Why are you so angry and afraid?  guidod   Feb-05-06 11:18 PM   #39 
     - i'm not afraid but i am angry -- it's always something and i'm  catmother   Feb-05-06 11:23 PM   #42 
     - Maybe you're not, but you sound  guidod   Feb-05-06 11:32 PM   #48 
        - i said that i was angry. read the whole post.  catmother   Feb-05-06 11:42 PM   #52 
           - I read the whole post...  guidod   Feb-05-06 11:48 PM   #54 
              - maybe tomorrow. i'm too tired to listen to a 45 minute speech.  catmother   Feb-05-06 11:55 PM   #59 
     - where is the link???????  catmother   Feb-06-06 12:05 AM   #60 
        - Right here.  guidod   Feb-06-06 04:29 PM   #128 
     - If the North America was as dominated by the Islamic world as the Islamic  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-05-06 11:32 PM   #46 
     - well i heard something on bill maher's show that arabs were  catmother   Feb-05-06 11:50 PM   #56 
        - I would hardly claim that the Arab and Muslim world has been 100% innocent  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-06-06 04:15 AM   #87 
        - okay there's a lot of history. but when does the violence stop?  catmother   Feb-06-06 12:12 PM   #106 
           - that is part of my point -- the violence against the Arab and Muslim  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-06-06 01:21 PM   #118 
        - If you're interested in history, try reading some books.  Bridget Burke   Feb-06-06 08:36 AM   #95 
           - Crusades?  ieoeja   Feb-06-06 01:08 PM   #117 
              - Byzantia?  Bridget Burke   Feb-07-06 03:02 PM   #145 
                 - Excuse or cause?  ieoeja   Feb-07-06 04:34 PM   #146 
                    - So--get your guns & start another Crusade.  Bridget Burke   Feb-08-06 08:14 AM   #155 
     - Anger  kutblok   Feb-05-06 11:35 PM   #49 
     - my anger is rational. and you know what, i'm tired, and i'm going  catmother   Feb-05-06 11:54 PM   #57 
     - "They" killed 100,000 innocent civilians  CJCRANE   Feb-06-06 07:00 AM   #89 
        - let me assure you that i am not part of the "they" that you talk  catmother   Feb-06-06 12:26 PM   #110 
           - Because you're generalising about "them"  CJCRANE   Feb-06-06 12:34 PM   #113 
              - and all i'm saying is that nothing will be resolved by terrorisom or  catmother   Feb-06-06 12:40 PM   #114 
     - Us and Them-ism  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 10:53 PM   #33 
  - So?  AngryAmish   Feb-05-06 10:59 PM   #34 
  - The violent response does not justify the deliberate flamebait  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 11:15 PM   #38 
  - well said. i had hindu neighbors in new york. it was an apartment  catmother   Feb-05-06 11:45 PM   #53 
  - Newspapers are not bound by religious rules.  GOPNotForMe   Feb-05-06 11:02 PM   #35 
  - The OP offered another aspect for informed opinions  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 11:21 PM   #40 
  - Don't tell them there is an image of Mo in the SCOTUS building.  Odin2005   Feb-05-06 11:10 PM   #37 
  - At it again, O?  beam me up scottie   Feb-05-06 11:21 PM   #41 
  - Mighty progressive of you to notice, Beam  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 11:27 PM   #43 
     - Snort!  beam me up scottie   Feb-05-06 11:32 PM   #47 
        - So next time put the disclaimer at the TOP?  omega minimo   Feb-05-06 11:40 PM   #51 
           - Try using shiny objects and  beam me up scottie   Feb-05-06 11:48 PM   #55 
              - Like churches used stained glass windows back when folks couldn't read?  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 12:16 AM   #65 
  - Did you know that Christians prohibit graven images? It's right there in  Czolgosz   Feb-05-06 11:55 PM   #58 
  - That must be why there's crosses, crucifixes, statues, stained glass, etc.  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 12:13 AM   #64 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-06 08:33 AM   #94 
        - Coincidentally, they worship Mary  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 09:05 AM   #96 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-06 09:30 AM   #99 
           - "veneration of Mary, a holdover from... when Goddesses were worshipped"  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 09:53 AM   #102 
              - Yes, & the more backwards Protestants regard this as a problem.  Bridget Burke   Feb-06-06 10:22 AM   #103 
                 - Really a shame  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 09:16 PM   #136 
        - My point was that you can say Islam prohibits any image of Mohamed, but  Czolgosz   Feb-06-06 09:45 AM   #100 
  - It's not just Islam.  Heewack   Feb-06-06 12:16 AM   #66 
  - Ah  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 12:23 AM   #69 
     - Well, according to scripture...  Heewack   Feb-06-06 12:28 AM   #71 
        - And GOD doesn't have to tell you WHY sucker!!!  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 12:33 AM   #74 
           - The actual reasoning  Heewack   Feb-06-06 12:34 AM   #75 
  - Check out this pic  Heewack   Feb-06-06 12:20 AM   #68 
  - People must have been shocked  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 12:27 AM   #70 
  - LOL!  Heewack   Feb-06-06 12:29 AM   #73 
  - Oh my!  beam me up scottie   Feb-06-06 12:38 AM   #76 
     - Here.  Heewack   Feb-06-06 08:20 AM   #92 
  - This is an OP in which wisdom is evident. Thank you, omega minimo.  Wordie   Feb-06-06 12:29 AM   #72 
  - Although from different positions, both guests are remarkable  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 12:42 AM   #77 
     - I hope you don't mind, omega, but I'm posting a link to your thread in  Wordie   Feb-06-06 01:08 AM   #82 
  - A lot of these folks are obviously unbalanced  JMDEM   Feb-06-06 12:44 AM   #78 
  - I think I'm with you - I think it's more complicated than many think...  Withywindle   Feb-06-06 01:04 AM   #80 
  - Don't let them turn us all into dittoheads  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 01:06 AM   #81 
  - But Islamic Law DOESN'T Apply to NON-MUSLIMS  liberalpragmatist   Feb-06-06 01:26 AM   #83 
  - infidels vs heathens: the last one standing is the winner and  msongs   Feb-06-06 09:06 AM   #97 
  - Islam also prohibits eating pork  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-06-06 07:39 AM   #91 
  - And cursing God is a stoning to death offense under the Old Testament  Neil Lisst   Feb-06-06 08:22 AM   #93 
  - The BASIC FLAW in this argument is this: Islam claims to be  WinkyDink   Feb-06-06 12:04 PM   #104 
     - Islam seems more egocentric than other religions.  Neil Lisst   Feb-07-06 12:49 AM   #139 
  - Sadly, the Heirs of Liberty have no memories.  dubya_dubya_III   Feb-06-06 01:06 PM   #116 
  - Yet so many crying "free speech" would NEVER use the "N" word to  Wordie   Feb-07-06 12:34 AM   #138 
     - If Allah is Love itself, there can be no problem  dubya_dubya_III   Feb-07-06 05:21 PM   #147 
     - Give me a sufficient reason to use the word, and I would.  igil   Feb-08-06 11:30 AM   #156 
  - Two Points; Two Issues  Hidden Stillness   Feb-06-06 01:23 PM   #119 
  - Beautiful  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 08:58 PM   #135 
     - Surely the second.  dubya_dubya_III   Feb-07-06 06:10 PM   #148 
        - "Absolute Beyond" = "Infinite Love"  omega minimo   Feb-07-06 07:49 PM   #153 
  - that's nice, still no excuse for setting embassies on fire  Snivi Yllom   Feb-06-06 01:42 PM   #121 
  - i totallaly agree. violence does not solve anything, just makes  catmother   Feb-06-06 01:46 PM   #123 
  - NPR interview is worthwhile part of this debate. PLEASE recommend this  Wordie   Feb-06-06 01:43 PM   #122 
  - Pictures of Mohammed...  dryan   Feb-06-06 03:18 PM   #126 
  - I already knew that  fujiyama   Feb-06-06 07:02 PM   #132 
  - well said. i feel the same way that you do.  catmother   Feb-06-06 07:44 PM   #133 
  - "The willingness to be offended"  omega minimo   Feb-06-06 08:42 PM   #134 
  - ... and Jesus and Moses and Ibrahim and ...  Monkey see Monkey Do   Feb-07-06 09:42 AM   #140 
  - I'm aware of that, but my reaction is: So what?  SteppingRazor   Feb-07-06 10:02 AM   #141 
  - A little subtlety never hurt nobody  omega minimo   Feb-07-06 07:34 PM   #152 
  - So? Just because, decades ago, Catholics couldn't eat meat  WinkyDink   Feb-07-06 10:17 AM   #142 
  - agreed. nt  catmother   Feb-07-06 12:16 PM   #144 
  - To that I say: "Too bad."  Oregonian   Feb-07-06 06:30 PM   #149 
  - I can remember when Christians didn't like moving images......  NativeTexan   Feb-07-06 06:33 PM   #150 
  - It's still free speech  Hippo_Tron   Feb-07-06 08:17 PM   #154 
  - Yes I did. The question is do they have a right to restrict my freedoms  greyhound1966   Feb-08-06 11:34 AM   #157 
 

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