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Wed Dec-24-03 01:35 PM
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| 22. Do you really want to know? Here's your answer |
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Even after Saddam Hussein was captured last weekend, all that some people could talk about was Howard Dean. Neither John Kerry nor Joe Lieberman could resist punctuating their cheers for an American victory with sour sideswipes at the front-runner they still cannot fathom (or catch up to). Pundits had a nearly unanimous take on the capture's political fallout: Dr. Dean, the one-issue candidate tethered to Iraq, was toast — or, as The Washington Post's Tom Shales memorably put it, "left looking like a monkey whose organ grinder had run away."
I am not a partisan of Dr. Dean or any other Democratic candidate. I don't know what will happen on Election Day 2004. But I do know this: the rise of Howard Dean is not your typical political Cinderella story. The constant comparisons made between him and George McGovern and Barry Goldwater — each of whom rode a wave of anger within his party to his doomed nomination — are facile. Yes, Dr. Dean's followers are angry about his signature issue, the war. Dr. Dean is marginalized in other ways as well: a heretofore obscure governor from a tiny state best known for its left-wing ice cream and gay civil unions, a flip-flopper on some pivotal issues and something of a hothead. This litany of flaws has been repeated at every juncture of the campaign this far, just as it is now. And yet the guy keeps coming back, surprising those in Washington and his own party who misunderstand the phenomenon and dismiss him.
The elusive piece of this phenomenon is cultural: the Internet. Rather than compare Dr. Dean to McGovern or Goldwater, it may make more sense to recall Franklin Roosevelt and John Kennedy. It was not until F.D.R.'s fireside chats on radio in 1933 that a medium in mass use for years became a political force. J.F.K. did the same for television, not only by vanquishing the camera-challenged Richard Nixon during the 1960 debates but by replacing the Eisenhower White House's prerecorded TV news conferences (which could be cleaned up with editing) with live broadcasts. Until Kennedy proved otherwise, most of Washington's wise men thought, as The New York Times columnist James Reston wrote in 1961, that a spontaneous televised press conference was "the goofiest idea since the Hula Hoop."
Such has been much of the reaction to the Dean campaign's breakthrough use of its chosen medium. In Washington, the Internet is still seen mainly as a high-velocity disseminator of gossip (Drudge) and rabidly partisan sharpshooting by self-publishing excoriators of the left and right. When used by campaigns, the Internet becomes a synonym for "the young," "geeks," "small contributors" and "upper middle class," as if it were an eccentric electronic cousin to direct-mail fund-raising run by the acne-prone members of a suburban high school's computer club. In other words, the political establishment has been blindsided by the Internet's growing sophistication as a political tool — and therefore blindsided by the Dean campaign — much as the music industry establishment was by file sharing and the major movie studios were by "The Blair Witch Project," the amateurish under-$100,000 movie that turned viral marketing on the Web into a financial mother lode.more: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/21/arts/21RICH.html?ei=5...
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| -Professional Consultant and DU Member explains how Dean will beat Bush |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 12:06 PM |
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What about the rigged vote factor? |
God_bush_n_cheney |
Dec-24-03 12:08 PM |
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Ohio it's true will likely be rigged |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 12:15 PM |
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I like the positive point of view |
HootieMcBoob |
Dec-24-03 12:11 PM |
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If Clark is not on the ticket, we lose AR |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 12:19 PM |
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Question |
HFishbine |
Dec-24-03 12:12 PM |
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That would be my take on it as well |
rucky |
Dec-24-03 12:17 PM |
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It will help Bush a little as the Corporatist Media will play it up to the |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 12:17 PM |
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it has suddenly struck me that the Olympics |
stinkeefresh |
Dec-24-03 01:15 PM |
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Thank you |
wryter2000 |
Dec-24-03 12:18 PM |
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I think Sen. Graham has a better chance at being Dean's VP than Clark |
Larkspur |
Dec-24-03 12:21 PM |
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Temper tantum? |
Skwmom |
Dec-24-03 03:20 PM |
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And since a staffer no longer with Dean, has confirmed he did |
Donna Zen |
Dec-24-03 10:59 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-24-03 12:23 PM |
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I'm not an expert |
56kid |
Dec-24-03 12:31 PM |
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Dolstein you used "Deaniac," you might want to edit your post for that. |
KoKo01 |
Dec-24-03 12:31 PM |
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Sorry if seems that I am piling on after dolstein, but the broadcast |
AlinPA |
Dec-24-03 12:34 PM |
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I am actually picking up a check from the County Chairman in a couple of |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 12:36 PM |
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What it amounts to is Dean can truthfully/accurately describe the |
opihimoimoi |
Dec-24-03 01:10 PM |
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Will there be poo-poos? |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 02:06 PM |
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many onolicious kinds of pupus |
opihimoimoi |
Dec-24-03 11:49 PM |
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You didn't mention that he is a professional politician. |
mikehiggins |
Dec-25-03 01:01 AM |
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Soros is having second thoughts about Dean |
Gman |
Dec-24-03 01:52 PM |
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I don't think he had first thoughts about Dean. Check your facts. |
Scott Lee |
Dec-24-03 03:11 PM |
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I take that as an endoresement for Dean. Whoever Soros wants |
Tinoire |
Dec-25-03 01:50 PM |
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What's wrong with Soros? Sounded like a hero to me.... |
gore-is-my-president |
Dec-25-03 05:08 PM |
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The truth vaporizes the Repukes? |
Skwmom |
Dec-24-03 03:22 PM |
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The suggestion of a newspaper to be widely distributed has |
Skwmom |
Dec-24-03 03:25 PM |
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well ya better start advising the rest of us on how tto get those numbers |
gore-is-my-president |
Dec-25-03 05:04 PM |
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On the New voters |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 12:50 PM |
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Yep... |
The Commie |
Dec-24-03 04:21 PM |
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THAT'S RIGHT |
iluvchicago86 |
Dec-24-03 12:54 PM |
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Hope you're correct (not right) too. |
Cary |
Dec-24-03 01:25 PM |
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10 million Christians |
Donna Zen |
Dec-24-03 11:11 PM |
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Like Your Thinking |
Upfront |
Dec-24-03 01:13 PM |
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And the Great Pumpkin will rise out of the pumpkin patch... |
gulliver |
Dec-24-03 01:26 PM |
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Obviously, you have not run campaigns for 20 years as I have or |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 01:54 PM |
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Um, you are appealing to your own authority? |
gulliver |
Dec-24-03 01:59 PM |
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This is just one article |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 02:21 PM |
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well that explains alot |
bearfartinthewoods |
Dec-24-03 02:39 PM |
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So all young people are gullible? |
goobergunch |
Dec-24-03 03:27 PM |
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No just a lousy voter track record n/t |
SahaleArm |
Dec-24-03 11:19 PM |
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Sir. I will be 28 in 2004 |
HawkeyeX |
Dec-24-03 05:00 PM |
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How many new voters? Try 15 million turned 18 since 2000 |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 03:10 PM |
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50% will vote? That's a pipe dream. |
SahaleArm |
Dec-24-03 11:21 PM |
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"Scaring the crap out of them" |
Skwmom |
Dec-24-03 03:18 PM |
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The only thing that convinces me you are on the level is your attitude |
mikehiggins |
Dec-25-03 01:12 AM |
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LOL |
crozet4clark |
Dec-24-03 07:13 PM |
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I just have one question |
RDANGELO |
Dec-24-03 01:31 PM |
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Do you really want to know? Here's your answer |
HFishbine |
Dec-24-03 01:35 PM |
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Because Georg McGovern does not exist. |
edzontar |
Dec-24-03 02:21 PM |
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the 22% hate bush factor |
NJCher |
Dec-24-03 01:44 PM |
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Boy, you know you're in huge trouble when you haul out the "new voters" |
John_H |
Dec-24-03 01:45 PM |
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newsflash |
windansea |
Dec-24-03 01:49 PM |
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Yes but now the national Dean campaign IS taking my advice |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 02:04 PM |
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congrats! |
windansea |
Dec-24-03 02:18 PM |
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Remind me not to hire you! |
Gman |
Dec-24-03 01:50 PM |
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I will remind you not to hire me... |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 02:01 PM |
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Dean will win!!!! |
edzontar |
Dec-24-03 02:19 PM |
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Dean will win BIG and DESTROY the repubs in the process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
polpilot |
Dec-24-03 07:03 PM |
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nice analysis one ? |
amazona |
Dec-24-03 02:20 PM |
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Dean will ask Clark again to be VP in March or April |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 02:23 PM |
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Thanks for this Post! |
Patriot_Spear |
Dec-24-03 02:22 PM |
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with all your experience and you think bush will starta draft BEFORE |
bearfartinthewoods |
Dec-24-03 02:31 PM |
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Not before, BFITW, after! |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 02:41 PM |
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i have to admit that you have hit on MY wet dream |
bearfartinthewoods |
Dec-24-03 03:15 PM |
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He won't start draft, but prep for draft is leaking. |
mouse7 |
Dec-24-03 03:57 PM |
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county races don't equal national ones |
ZombyWoof |
Dec-24-03 02:43 PM |
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ZW, my friend.. |
HawkeyeX |
Dec-24-03 05:05 PM |
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3 Questions DWW :) |
mouse7 |
Dec-24-03 02:47 PM |
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Very good questions, mouse |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-24-03 03:06 PM |
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This revolution will implode once the truth comes out in |
Skwmom |
Dec-24-03 03:16 PM |
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It's great to hear from a realtime expert for a change. |
Scott Lee |
Dec-24-03 03:18 PM |
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Puhleeeeeeeze... |
Gman |
Dec-24-03 03:41 PM |
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How much money has ""scattered" energized base" raised? |
mouse7 |
Dec-24-03 03:52 PM |
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You know for a guy who just put his house on the block for his run... |
Scott Lee |
Dec-24-03 05:51 PM |
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And the basis of your expertise on this matter is........? |
Scott Lee |
Dec-24-03 05:50 PM |
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still waiting |
windansea |
Dec-24-03 03:23 PM |
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Nice post |
quaker bill |
Dec-24-03 03:24 PM |
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"Nattering nabobs of negativity?" |
joefree1 |
Dec-24-03 03:55 PM |
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Oh, geez... |
bain_sidhe |
Dec-24-03 03:58 PM |
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Latest ABC/Wash Post Poll results 12/21/2003 |
shivaji |
Dec-24-03 04:37 PM |
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Latest CBS poll |
bain_sidhe |
Dec-24-03 06:02 PM |
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:) |
mzmolly |
Dec-24-03 10:47 PM |
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You had me up to the Clark VP thing |
mikehiggins |
Dec-25-03 12:53 AM |
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You forgot to add all the moderate Republicans who will vote for Dean |
KaraokeKarlton |
Dec-25-03 01:36 AM |
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Exactimundo! |
Dems Will Win |
Dec-25-03 01:11 PM |
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What happens to your math if Cynthia McKinney runs as a Green? |
Smashmouth |
Dec-25-03 05:18 PM |
#86 |