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129. Wow, what naivete.
Because a Democrat was indicted on some charges that don't pertain to actual vote machine fraud, but to manipulation, that means that if republicans were involved in a much larger, yet more covert attempt to steal votes, they'd be indicted too? Equal protection? What country have you been living in for the past 5 years? There are literally dozens of things I can bring up, but the most obvious and most quickly ignored is THE EXIT POLLS. Does margin of error mean anything to you? Why is it that after all these dozens of years of using exit polls as a guide to determine the legitimacy of elections (in many countries other than ours too), are they now completely useless? Do you really think that the exit polls just happened to be off, more than the margin of error, and only in the swing states which * needed? If you are truly familiar with the facts surrounding the past two presidential elections, yet still believe they were legitimate, you are a coincidence theorist of the highest order.
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  -Enough with "stolen" elections already. wixomblues  Jan-31-06 08:02 AM   #0 
  - "do some research" - indeed  rman   Jan-31-06 08:05 AM   #1 
  - INDEED, some of us have been very involved and are very aware of  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jan-31-06 10:05 AM   #117 
  - Some light reading for you by a conservative Republican  helderheid   Jan-31-06 11:14 AM   #175 
     - Yep, silly partisan, oops no he is Republican. I have seen this, it is  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jan-31-06 11:18 AM   #178 
  - NO KIDDING!  helderheid   Jan-31-06 11:12 AM   #170 
  - OK, you keep believing your pipe dream  Boredtodeath   Jan-31-06 08:05 AM   #2 
  - A lot of us don't buy the hype on Diebold...  yibbehobba   Jan-31-06 08:06 AM   #3 
  - heh?  stepnw1f   Jan-31-06 08:08 AM   #6 
  - I'm in that category  danalytical   Jan-31-06 08:14 AM   #15 
  - Not unsubstantiated. Just un-paid attention to.  DemItAllAnyway   Jan-31-06 08:21 AM   #29 
  - Says who, you?  danalytical   Jan-31-06 08:46 AM   #56 
     - Just Keep Your Head In the Sand and It Will All Be Fine!  we can do it   Jan-31-06 09:29 AM   #83 
     - Just keep crying wolf  danalytical   Jan-31-06 09:39 AM   # 
        - Try Educating Yourself Instead of Name Calling  we can do it   Jan-31-06 09:45 AM   #98 
           - try reading what I wrote.  danalytical   Jan-31-06 09:53 AM   #106 
     - How about proof of fraud ?  Ani Yun Wiya   Jan-31-06 09:40 AM   #92 
     - Do you have the pre-electronic stats?  FormerRushFan   Jan-31-06 10:38 AM   #149 
     - Certifications are important legal documents.  Ani Yun Wiya   Jan-31-06 10:58 AM   #160 
     - Anyone remember the U of Penn. report? 1 million to 1.  peabody71   Jan-31-06 11:30 AM   #182 
     - I'd like to find some of those technical errors  FlaGranny   Jan-31-06 10:04 AM   #115 
     - There's overwhelming evidence of all kinds.  Stevepol   Jan-31-06 10:50 AM   #153 
     - are you also a statistician and mathematician?  annabanana   Jan-31-06 10:50 AM   #155 
     - If you've actually "read all the 'evidence' presented" as you claim...  Cooley Hurd   Jan-31-06 11:26 AM   #181 
  - I altered the vote tally using Diebold software (GEMS) on my own PC  kgfnally   Jan-31-06 11:17 AM   #177 
  - Do you really trust this administration?  Marleyb   Jan-31-06 09:38 AM   #88 
  - Silly US for believing some elections were stolen , we and members of  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jan-31-06 10:10 AM   #124 
  - Like the State of California Who Had Diebold Machines Decertified?  we can do it   Jan-31-06 10:14 AM   #133 
  - Uh oh, get ready for the flames...  vi5   Jan-31-06 08:06 AM   #4 
  - It's one thing to say that we should try in spite of election fraud,  rman   Jan-31-06 08:09 AM   #7 
  - But it's become a catch all excuse for everything....  vi5   Jan-31-06 08:27 AM   #36 
  - Maybe where there is fire, there is smoke and big Smokescreens  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jan-31-06 10:13 AM   #131 
  - Dude... You Are Way Out of the Loop  stepnw1f   Jan-31-06 08:07 AM   #5 
  - You're kidding, aren't you? n/t  rooboy   Jan-31-06 08:10 AM   #8 
  - You are absolutely, 100% correct...  Balbus   Jan-31-06 08:10 AM   #9 
  - "...every loon from the "election reform" forum..."  Atman   Jan-31-06 08:15 AM   #18 
  - Uhhh, yeah, I pretty much discount it completely.  Balbus   Jan-31-06 08:24 AM   #33 
     - "If there was proof there would be indictments,..."  Atman   Jan-31-06 08:25 AM   #34 
     - When the name-calling starts I've assumed you ran out of gas.  Balbus   Jan-31-06 08:27 AM   #35 
        - Your the one who called other DUers "loons".  Cobalt Violet   Jan-31-06 08:31 AM   #41 
        - Yeah, good point.  Balbus   Jan-31-06 08:32 AM   #43 
        - No, I'm not from the "election reform" forum, in fact  Atman   Jan-31-06 08:35 AM   #46 
           - "If there had been a stolen election, there'd be indictments."  Balbus   Jan-31-06 09:53 AM   #105 
              - Scott Peterson was convicted on CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.  Atman   Jan-31-06 10:08 AM   #121 
                 - Fitzgerald went up against the administration.  Balbus   Jan-31-06 10:18 AM   #138 
                    - I mention "circumstantial" and you say "tons of hard evidence."  Atman   Jan-31-06 10:29 AM   # 
                       - uhhh, "tons of hard evidence" comes directly from your post.  Balbus   Jan-31-06 10:35 AM   #146 
     - So, if a crime goes unanswered for, it didn't happen?  havocmom   Jan-31-06 08:36 AM   #48 
     - If there's no proof that a crime took place, was there a crime?  Balbus   Jan-31-06 09:55 AM   #108 
     - And I'm Sure We Could All Watch The Story On the Evening News  we can do it   Jan-31-06 09:33 AM   #85 
     - Wow, what naivete.  EOTE   Jan-31-06 10:12 AM   #129 
     - Polls as evidence? You're kidding, I hope.  Balbus   Jan-31-06 10:33 AM   #145 
     - One more time: We don't need to prove that the 04 election WAS  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jan-31-06 10:17 AM   #137 
  - Every loon from the "election reform" forum?  fasttense   Jan-31-06 08:19 AM   #24 
  - LOON? You call individuals who volunteer w/o pay who are interested in  mod mom   Jan-31-06 08:36 AM   #49 
  - Just warning you. I hope YOU have looked at the research! Be prepared  Verve   Jan-31-06 08:10 AM   #10 
  - Bring it......  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 08:13 AM   #14 
     - Wishful thinking?  yibbehobba   Jan-31-06 08:15 AM   #19 
     - "...nearly every state has the right and duty to examine all software..."  Atman   Jan-31-06 08:21 AM   #27 
     - I can fathom.  ronnie624   Jan-31-06 08:45 AM   #54 
     - self-delete  Verve   Jan-31-06 08:51 AM   #60 
     - Apparently I am not being clear enough in my posts.  ronnie624   Jan-31-06 09:17 AM   #72 
        - That's why I self deleted!  Verve   Jan-31-06 09:27 AM   #81 
           - Not a problem.  ronnie624   Jan-31-06 10:21 AM   #141 
     - Which States Used Diebold? Here's your answer.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 09:13 AM   #69 
        - So - You Think That Was the Only Problem In Ohio Bud?  we can do it   Jan-31-06 09:44 AM   #96 
        - So.....we can admit it wasn't diebold...bub?  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 09:47 AM   #101 
           - Lots of Problems Like Diebold Also Made the Tabulators  we can do it   Jan-31-06 10:43 AM   #151 
        - And who provided the tabulators? This is a multi-layered thing.  NCevilDUer   Jan-31-06 11:03 AM   #163 
     - They all had access to the source code. Here's a link.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 09:00 AM   #64 
        - Next?  Atman   Jan-31-06 09:16 AM   #71 
        - Don't talk to me about the truth. You're too worried about the  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 09:26 AM   #79 
        - No.  Atman   Jan-31-06 09:35 AM   #87 
        - Haha BUSTED!  stepnw1f   Jan-31-06 09:39 AM   #89 
           - I never called you loons.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 09:42 AM   #94 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-06 09:44 AM   # 
              - Oh no. Exposed. Golly.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 09:55 AM   #109 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-06 10:03 AM   # 
                 - There are rules on this board.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 10:11 AM   #126 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-06 10:15 AM   #135 
              - Well then you just broke two DU rules - you might want to look those up  Veganistan   Jan-31-06 10:40 AM   #150 
                 - Really?  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 11:00 AM   #161 
           - I never called you loons.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 09:42 AM   #95 
        - "They" all had access to the source code. Where Does it Say That?  stepnw1f   Jan-31-06 09:27 AM   #82 
           - IN the article,  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 09:46 AM   #99 
              - Not next.  Verve   Jan-31-06 09:58 AM   #111 
              - I know.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 10:19 AM   #140 
                 - "It's hard to find resources."  Verve   Jan-31-06 11:06 AM   #164 
                    - Calm down.....  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 11:10 AM   #169 
                       - You're talking in circles! If you were on the Diebold payroll your  Verve   Jan-31-06 11:25 AM   #180 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-06 09:59 AM   #112 
              - I put a question mark next to it, you maniac. Get a life.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 10:13 AM   #132 
              - Ha, ha! I'd advise you to look up  FlaGranny   Jan-31-06 10:15 AM   #134 
     - "every state has the right and duty to examine all software". HUH?  Verve   Jan-31-06 08:21 AM   #31 
     - Examine the statutes.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 09:02 AM   #67 
     - Where in this article does it say Diebold made the source code public  Verve   Jan-31-06 09:17 AM   #73 
     - Where does this article state that Diebold made the code available?  Atman   Jan-31-06 09:18 AM   #74 
        - I guess the part where the Hopkins professor had the code  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 10:06 AM   #118 
           - The code was inadvertantly left on the internet by Diebold and  truckin   Jan-31-06 10:31 AM   #144 
              - Thanks, good to know.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 10:36 AM   #147 
     - Yes and no....  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 10:03 AM   #114 
     - try this, it comes from a precinct by precinct analysis.  Ani Yun Wiya   Jan-31-06 09:47 AM   #102 
  - Whatever.....I for one would like voter verification...paper trail  Toots   Jan-31-06 08:11 AM   #11 
  - I can barely use email....I figured out recently how to get messages off  Thtwudbeme   Jan-31-06 08:12 AM   #12 
  - I understand it perfectly.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 08:31 AM   #40 
     - You know what? I am a religion major---I don't understand computers,  Thtwudbeme   Jan-31-06 08:45 AM   #55 
     - You Don't Understand Shit  stepnw1f   Jan-31-06 08:54 AM   #61 
        - Next.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 10:37 AM   #148 
  - Great idea!  SeattleRob   Jan-31-06 08:12 AM   #13 
  - The diebold crowd has catchy slogans, no substance.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 08:14 AM   #17 
     - You want "facts" spoon fed to you  Thtwudbeme   Jan-31-06 08:17 AM   #22 
     - Not as harmful as the crap that "diebold" crowd shovels.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 08:34 AM   #44 
     - "No one will give me simple facts, just talking points."  Atman   Jan-31-06 09:22 AM   #77 
     - Ahhh, "talking points". The preferred rebuttal tactic  BushOut06   Jan-31-06 10:48 AM   #152 
     - This is a really productive argument/debate.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 10:56 AM   #159 
     - No fantasy, just numbers  Ani Yun Wiya   Jan-31-06 10:01 AM   #113 
     - He does not want to do research.  ronnie624   Jan-31-06 08:51 AM   #59 
     - Facts  Ani Yun Wiya   Jan-31-06 09:57 AM   #110 
  - Be very afraid of electronic computerized voting with no paper trail  BushOut06   Jan-31-06 08:14 AM   #16 
  - Fear is a Republican tool.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 08:17 AM   #21 
     - if you've been following the papers  Bob3   Jan-31-06 08:50 AM   #58 
  - Yikes! Don't you know -  lynne   Jan-31-06 08:15 AM   #20 
  - Election Fraud does not just include Diebold  dogday   Jan-31-06 08:18 AM   #23 
  - I'm only talking about Diebold.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 08:42 AM   #51 
     - how do *you* explain the huge difference in the exit polls?  kineta   Jan-31-06 09:35 AM   #86 
  - Well, maybe not all elections  chefgirl   Jan-31-06 08:19 AM   #25 
  - That's easy  guruoo   Jan-31-06 08:19 AM   #26 
  - Check out this website - votefraud.org  BushOut06   Jan-31-06 08:21 AM   # 
  - I don't think there's EVER been a "fair" presidential election.  Bruce McAuley   Jan-31-06 08:21 AM   #28 
  - And you would like people to believe they can win; now that is a pipe  lonestarnot   Jan-31-06 08:21 AM   #30 
  - I agree  meisje   Jan-31-06 08:23 AM   #32 
  - How many more elections do they need to steal for you to believe it?  Cobalt Violet   Jan-31-06 08:28 AM   #37 
  - You're kidding right? Have you read the FL and OH chronicles?  linazelle   Jan-31-06 08:28 AM   #38 
  - How many times have we heard about this:  zbdent   Jan-31-06 08:30 AM   #39 
  - Stolen elections are so much more than Diebld. Educate yourself!  mod mom   Jan-31-06 08:32 AM   #42 
  - "Diebold" had become a generic term, like "xerox."  Atman   Jan-31-06 08:44 AM   #52 
  - One does not negate the other  JHB   Jan-31-06 08:35 AM   #45 
  - Read "What Went Wrong in Ohio"  magellan   Jan-31-06 08:36 AM   #47 
  - but it doesn't say the election was stolen  Cocoa   Jan-31-06 09:14 AM   #70 
     - It doesn't say it wasn't, either  magellan   Jan-31-06 09:31 AM   #84 
        - the BBVers has nothing to do with the Conyers report  Cocoa   Jan-31-06 09:44 AM   #97 
           - What Went Wrong in Ohio  magellan   Jan-31-06 10:15 AM   #136 
  - My Straightforward Take  ProfessorGAC   Jan-31-06 08:42 AM   #50 
  - It takes far more "cleverness" to orchestrate the thoughts of millions  Atman   Jan-31-06 08:48 AM   #57 
  - Whatever  ProfessorGAC   Jan-31-06 08:58 AM   #62 
  - Preach it, Atman! Common frickin' sense! Woo Hoo! nt  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-06 09:00 AM   #65 
     - Huh?  ProfessorGAC   Jan-31-06 09:20 AM   #76 
        - Here is the fault in your argument...the republicans do it all the time...  Atman   Jan-31-06 09:48 AM   #103 
  - please read mark crispin millers book, prof.  mopinko   Jan-31-06 09:39 AM   #90 
  - No conjecture, just numbers...  Ani Yun Wiya   Jan-31-06 10:10 AM   #123 
  - American jurisprudence still allows you believe a crime was  NCevilDUer   Jan-31-06 11:23 AM   #179 
  - The Titanic is unsinkable. n/t  8643   Jan-31-06 08:44 AM   #53 
  - Please go read this thread --  IdaBriggs   Jan-31-06 08:59 AM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-06 09:01 AM   #66 
  - I did the same. These are disruptors, not interested in forward progress  mod mom   Jan-31-06 09:27 AM   #80 
     - I beleive you both just violated a rule  Veganistan   Jan-31-06 10:51 AM   #156 
  - It is a real issue....  Not_So_Right_Wing   Jan-31-06 09:25 AM   #78 
  - *sigh* Lets just win?  in_cog_ni_to   Jan-31-06 09:07 AM   #68 
  - VA, CA and NJ 05. It may be an uphill battle, but we can win elections.nt  skipos   Jan-31-06 09:20 AM   #75 
  - You drank the KoolAid or something, imo.  bobthedrummer   Jan-31-06 09:40 AM   #91 
  - Get a Clue  Twist_U_Up   Jan-31-06 09:42 AM   #93 
  - Yeah, but...but...CBS ran a story about Diebold 2 years ago!  Atman   Jan-31-06 10:06 AM   #119 
  - lemme draw you a picture, dear - as I can't change my handle  robbedvoter   Jan-31-06 09:47 AM   #100 
  - Bravo! This "stolen election" excuse is the most counterproductive  mtnsnake   Jan-31-06 09:52 AM   #104 
  - "let's just win" - the hugh series slogan!  robbedvoter   Jan-31-06 09:54 AM   #107 
  - Your not to bright!!!!, just ignore the stolen elections...  libertypirate   Jan-31-06 10:04 AM   #116 
  - Ill Nominate Too !! But not for your reason  Twist_U_Up   Jan-31-06 10:11 AM   #125 
  - Whoa this belongs up a thread or 2.  Twist_U_Up   Jan-31-06 10:11 AM   #127 
  - Is that you're not too bright or your not to bright?  Veganistan   Jan-31-06 10:54 AM   #157 
  - 20 Amazing Facts about Voting in the USA  we can do it   Jan-31-06 10:07 AM   #120 
  - Thank you.  NCevilDUer   Jan-31-06 11:30 AM   #183 
  - This is a joke right. Read whats out there...  LeftNYC   Jan-31-06 10:09 AM   #122 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-06 10:12 AM   #128 
  - Let's Just Stick Our Head In The Sand  otohara   Jan-31-06 10:12 AM   #130 
  - wixomblues, you've offered nothing to support your argument.  plasticsundance   Jan-31-06 10:19 AM   #139 
  - Here's my proof.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 11:06 AM   #166 
  - The rest of that site indicates that voting "problems" are a real danger.  Bridget Burke   Jan-31-06 11:17 AM   #176 
  - thank you  annabanana   Jan-31-06 11:07 AM   #168 
  - THANK YOU! THis place is starting to look just like what the freakers  Veganistan   Jan-31-06 10:29 AM   #142 
  - I want to ask you,  FlaGranny   Jan-31-06 10:50 AM   #154 
  - One more thing...  George Oilwellian   Jan-31-06 10:31 AM   #143 
  - You're right and you're wrong.  Yollam   Jan-31-06 10:55 AM   #158 
  - looks like this is one of the many RW memes now being planted  ima_sinnic   Jan-31-06 11:01 AM   #162 
  - Everyone is wrong but you.  wixomblues   Jan-31-06 11:07 AM   #167 
     - devote most of your waking hours to it for months & years, as  ima_sinnic   Jan-31-06 11:12 AM   #172 
     - Have you looked at this yet  Ani Yun Wiya   Jan-31-06 11:12 AM   #173 
  - sounds like you need to "do some research."  leftofthedial   Jan-31-06 11:06 AM   #165 
  - It's all about the TRANSPARENCY.  Lars39   Jan-31-06 11:12 AM   #171 
  - Elections can be stolen without Diebold machines...  Bridget Burke   Jan-31-06 11:13 AM   #174 
  - I agree 100% nt  MJDuncan1982   Jan-31-06 11:32 AM   #184 
  - **Want to know what I don't understand?**  grace0418   Jan-31-06 11:34 AM   #185 
  - How the fuck did this piece of crap thread get 9 votes???  Cooley Hurd   Jan-31-06 11:34 AM   #186 
  - Locking...  Moderator   Jan-31-06 11:37 AM   #187 
 

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