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Sat Jan-28-06 12:20 PM
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| 112. oh for crying out loud |
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We don't live in the past. I'm sorry if you do.
Have a nice life.
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| -I knew it! Study shows public schools perform better than private schools. |
milkyway |
Jan-28-06 08:46 AM |
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I am from Florida and Jebbie made sure |
wakeme2008 |
Jan-28-06 08:49 AM |
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You got that right. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jan-28-06 09:12 AM |
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That is wrong |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 09:30 AM |
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Here is |
wakeme2008 |
Jan-28-06 10:13 AM |
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I didn't mean you were wrong |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:21 AM |
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No problem |
wakeme2008 |
Jan-28-06 10:24 AM |
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The ex-Catholic school mom I spoke with here in NY tried to find out |
milkyway |
Jan-28-06 11:14 AM |
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Math was what I was behind in when I made my escape |
Warpy |
Jan-28-06 08:55 AM |
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My sister moved her boys to private school |
malaise |
Jan-28-06 09:02 AM |
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I have two kids; both went to public schools in elementary grades |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 09:37 AM |
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Two sides to every story. |
FlaGranny |
Jan-28-06 09:40 AM |
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What we need is a national standard |
free4now |
Jan-28-06 08:57 AM |
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That is a huge debate in education right now |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 09:42 AM |
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I disagree. |
LWolf |
Jan-28-06 08:00 PM |
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If we are going to have nationally certified teachers |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:13 PM |
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This is a sticky point for me. |
LWolf |
Jan-29-06 09:25 AM |
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Oh that is TOO funny |
proud2Blib |
Jan-30-06 09:38 AM |
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Are private religious schools TRYING to hire good math teachers? |
Boojatta |
Jan-28-06 09:05 AM |
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I understand your point but technically they are the same thing |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 09:45 AM |
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pay does not a good math teacher make! nt |
MassDemm |
Jan-28-06 10:02 AM |
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Well as soon as we teachers get discounts on mortgages and groceries |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:25 AM |
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Pay and benefits are not competitive with public schools |
rucky |
Jan-28-06 09:47 AM |
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I doubled my salary |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:27 AM |
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Yes, catholic schools and independent schools |
mirandapriestly |
Jan-28-06 05:20 PM |
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I don't understand... |
Dorian Gray |
Jan-28-06 09:12 AM |
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in essence (and i'm NOT vouching for the methodology of this study)... |
ret5hd |
Jan-28-06 09:18 AM |
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Jan-28-06 09:32 AM |
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You need to move beyond a personal level and look at the big picture |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:33 AM |
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Jan-28-06 10:53 AM |
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No one here is shrugging and saying 'oh well' |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:02 AM |
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What is the purpose of your fairness? |
hack89 |
Jan-28-06 01:51 PM |
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Because the playing field is not even and never will be |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 02:07 PM |
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Excellent post! n/t |
countingbluecars |
Jan-28-06 02:54 PM |
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Gracias |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 02:55 PM |
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I don't know why I didn't think of this before. |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 03:43 PM |
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Providing adjusted scores IS straight talk and honesty |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 10:41 AM |
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They are probably referring to ethnic and socioeconomic groups |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 09:46 AM |
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Jan-28-06 09:52 AM |
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It's not the same thing at all and I can't believe you are that obtuse |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:35 AM |
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You're missing the point. |
Sparkly |
Jan-28-06 10:44 AM |
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Jan-28-06 10:51 AM |
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No -- and you're still missing the point. |
Sparkly |
Jan-28-06 11:12 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:20 AM |
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"As long as we treat them like objects..." |
Sparkly |
Jan-28-06 11:24 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:35 AM |
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It's wrongly centered if it blames schools and teachers |
Sparkly |
Jan-28-06 11:48 AM |
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what if we focus on other people's kids |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 11:26 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:50 AM |
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Time to explain a few things |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:00 PM |
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Jan-28-06 12:08 PM |
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So just because we make twice what private school teachers make, |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:16 PM |
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there you go comparing apples to oranges again |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 12:25 PM |
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that has nothing to do with what's being discussed here |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 11:20 AM |
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IN the real world you r achievement is measured from where you start |
Generic Other |
Jan-28-06 11:47 AM |
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One of my student's parents also works a 12 hour day 6-7 days a week |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:49 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:58 AM |
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You are actually comparing raising a pet to raising kids? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:03 PM |
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Jan-28-06 12:18 PM |
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You are the one not arguing facts |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:25 PM |
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sometimes people with kids lose their jobs |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 12:48 PM |
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Well that wouldn't happen if they were more RESPONSIBLE!!! |
Telly Savalas |
Jan-28-06 01:44 PM |
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LOL well said, my friend, well said |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 02:18 PM |
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The only way that bank argument would work is if |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:17 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:22 AM |
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So now you are saying that the dollar in the inner city is worth less? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:33 AM |
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the bank argument is still invalid. Here's a bank analogy that actually |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 11:53 AM |
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Good analogy!! |
Sparkly |
Jan-28-06 12:16 PM |
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Great analogy |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:27 PM |
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It is an odd conclusion |
Yupster |
Jan-28-06 11:41 AM |
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Yeah don't read all the explanations posted here |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:29 PM |
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I Guess This is the Reason: |
ribofunk |
Jan-28-06 09:23 AM |
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We have Montessori schools in our public schools here |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 09:48 AM |
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Montessori schools ROCK!! |
loudsue |
Jan-28-06 11:10 AM |
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Yes they do |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:38 AM |
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if half the public schools in America were |
loudsue |
Jan-28-06 11:41 AM |
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Yes that would be awesome |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:44 AM |
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My friend has a kid in Montessori |
AngryAmish |
Jan-28-06 02:39 PM |
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"Only"??? LOL |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 03:54 PM |
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Another friend of mine is paying over $13k for second grade |
AngryAmish |
Jan-28-06 04:04 PM |
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The highest priced private schools here |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 04:06 PM |
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Conservative Christian schools are the worst |
Seagull |
Jan-28-06 01:28 PM |
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Have you seen the movie 'SAVED"? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 02:25 PM |
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that is a great movie |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 04:41 PM |
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In order to have a self-discovery model in public ed, |
LWolf |
Jan-29-06 07:26 PM |
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Well it's about time! |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 09:26 AM |
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Jan-28-06 09:38 AM |
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You bet that RW agenda is destroying public education!! |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 09:56 AM |
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Jan-28-06 10:04 AM |
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You have literally no control over the agenda of the public schools |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:13 AM |
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Jan-28-06 10:57 AM |
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So, like I said, I want to move to Beverly Hills |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:15 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:53 AM |
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You are arguing with yourself now |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:06 PM |
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schools are a resource, yes, and a resource that the right has been trying |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 10:52 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:03 AM |
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so just to clarify, you think we shouldn't bother w/ public education? n/t |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 11:04 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:09 AM |
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The point is that it's not entirely the schools' fault |
Sparkly |
Jan-28-06 11:13 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:32 AM |
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Not necessarily |
Sparkly |
Jan-28-06 11:38 AM |
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Jan-28-06 12:04 PM |
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Whose "fault" is that? It's NOT the kids' fault!! |
Sparkly |
Jan-28-06 12:14 PM |
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Jan-28-06 12:38 PM |
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To me, your arguments on this thread |
countingbluecars |
Jan-28-06 12:42 PM |
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And we in education have certainly NEVER heard |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 02:32 PM |
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who is accepting a failing product? |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 11:22 AM |
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there is nothing wrong with an agenda of excellence |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 10:48 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:13 AM |
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but the system isn't failing |
fishwax |
Jan-28-06 01:01 PM |
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Probably the most highly regarded public school in Chelsea is named Lab. |
milkyway |
Jan-28-06 11:59 AM |
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No they were both elementary schools |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 02:34 PM |
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I went to private school most of my life. |
Ladyhawk |
Jan-28-06 09:48 AM |
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I went all through private school too |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:05 AM |
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Interesting that you say the fundie school tried to disprove evolution. |
milkyway |
Jan-28-06 11:30 AM |
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It was quite awhile ago, but I bet the same thing goes on today. |
Ladyhawk |
Jan-28-06 02:09 PM |
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As an aside, my music teacher (college level) is a creationist. |
Ladyhawk |
Jan-28-06 07:35 PM |
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In my experience as an elementary teacher, |
countingbluecars |
Jan-28-06 09:50 AM |
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Jan-28-06 09:58 AM |
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The politicians are indeed responsible |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:19 AM |
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Jan-28-06 10:47 AM |
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Great!! I want to live in Beverly Hills. |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:56 AM |
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Jan-28-06 11:07 AM |
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This is a progressive website |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:12 AM |
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Ritalin argument is a red flag to teachers? |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 11:18 AM |
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Yes it is a red flag |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:31 AM |
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Yet there are too many boys |
Yupster |
Jan-28-06 11:49 AM |
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And you are basing that conclusion on which longitudinal study? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 11:51 AM |
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Just the study of my Little League team I coached |
Yupster |
Jan-28-06 01:38 PM |
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That is what they call anecdotal experience |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 01:56 PM |
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Oh how I agree with you on this. |
TriMetFan |
Jan-28-06 01:13 PM |
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just because something is illegal |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 12:00 PM |
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So sue her |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:05 PM |
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It's been 8 years |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 12:08 PM |
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So you are going to allow her to continue to do this to other families? |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:18 PM |
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oh for crying out loud |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 12:20 PM |
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I wil say it again - teachers cannot diagnose medical conditions |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 12:32 PM |
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self-deleted |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 07:09 PM |
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If it hadn't happened |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 07:24 PM |
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And as I stated earlier, |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:04 PM |
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yes shame on me |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 10:20 PM |
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The real victim here is public education |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:36 PM |
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Jan-28-06 12:23 PM |
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I was stating my observations |
countingbluecars |
Jan-28-06 10:47 AM |
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I've read your posts throughout this thread, and I think you're missing |
milkyway |
Jan-28-06 11:10 AM |
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Thanks for This Info (nt) |
stepnw1f |
Jan-28-06 12:26 PM |
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thanks for the welcome |
bricktop |
Jan-28-06 12:29 PM |
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Yeah Surrre... Whatever this means |
stepnw1f |
Jan-28-06 12:54 PM |
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"the new study used advanced statistical techniques" |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 10:35 AM |
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The Dept of Education STRONGLY SUPPORTS private schools, vouchers |
Proud2BAmurkin |
Jan-28-06 11:09 AM |
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no kidding |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 11:19 AM |
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No It Does Not Say It All |
stepnw1f |
Jan-28-06 12:28 PM |
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Well said. |
Balbus |
Jan-28-06 12:35 PM |
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Guvmint bad. |
Telly Savalas |
Jan-28-06 01:56 PM |
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LOL |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 04:00 PM |
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Golly gosh gee it's sooooo funny |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 07:38 PM |
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You can either laugh or cry |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 09:47 PM |
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You trust BushCo's gov't? |
thinkingwoman |
Jan-28-06 07:37 PM |
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My kids go to Catholic School here in Portland OR. for one reason.... |
TriMetFan |
Jan-28-06 10:42 AM |
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I did not mean to imply that by my own anecdotal experience in our |
milkyway |
Jan-28-06 11:51 AM |
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But you see I think the study is a bit wrong. |
TriMetFan |
Jan-28-06 01:02 PM |
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I've never thought of Catholic schools as rich kids' schools. Here in NYC, |
milkyway |
Jan-28-06 01:18 PM |
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But again I think this study is wrong. |
TriMetFan |
Jan-28-06 01:42 PM |
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So just because you say the public schools in your area suck, |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 02:44 PM |
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Hey proud2blib I never said that! But milkyways post did go after |
TriMetFan |
Jan-28-06 03:08 PM |
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Yeah I understand |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 03:15 PM |
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Well Thank You for being a Teacher. |
TriMetFan |
Jan-28-06 03:44 PM |
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My eldest son went to an awesome Catholic high school |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 03:51 PM |
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There you go. But I( bet you also had a lot to do with how your kid turned |
TriMetFan |
Jan-28-06 04:06 PM |
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New England has the best public schools in the Country. |
AX10 |
Jan-28-06 11:33 AM |
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I don't know if that's true, but they worked for me. |
Gormy Cuss |
Jan-28-06 04:02 PM |
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On average, I think it is true |
NewJeffCT |
Jan-29-06 08:23 AM |
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I think it's because of a deep commitment to literacy from colonial days. |
Gormy Cuss |
Jan-29-06 11:37 AM |
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Even in super-rich towns |
NewJeffCT |
Jan-29-06 03:00 PM |
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My kid attended private schools (non religious) until this year |
Carni |
Jan-28-06 11:45 AM |
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i knew it too. i have done both with kids. yup |
seabeyond |
Jan-28-06 11:48 AM |
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I went to a private elementary school-but it was quite liberal |
Lorien |
Jan-28-06 11:59 AM |
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what an outrageously prejudiced thing to say... |
Rich Hunt |
Jan-28-06 12:14 PM |
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Oh BooHooHoo.... Give Us All a Break |
stepnw1f |
Jan-28-06 12:31 PM |
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You're right, it's a very subjective statement based on my own experience |
milkyway |
Jan-28-06 12:59 PM |
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I agree with you up to the point of leaving DU. |
TriMetFan |
Jan-28-06 01:25 PM |
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but the discovery of the study would be that it's not "their best shot" |
Baconfoot |
Jan-28-06 03:01 PM |
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Another Right Wing Myth Goes BOOOOP! |
stepnw1f |
Jan-28-06 12:22 PM |
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The very same sociological phenomenon... |
misanthrope |
Jan-28-06 12:56 PM |
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Two signs we looked for |
knitter4democracy |
Jan-28-06 02:14 PM |
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Algebra is part of our elementary curriculum |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 02:49 PM |
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I'd like to hear some about that battle. SW MO could use some |
NoFederales |
Jan-28-06 05:57 PM |
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The state of Missouri has brand new standards |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:19 PM |
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No, I want the research studies: not the latest, greatest from DESE--what |
NoFederales |
Jan-29-06 07:59 AM |
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Links to the research, please? |
NoFederales |
Jan-30-06 09:28 AM |
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Links to the research, please. |
NoFederales |
Jan-30-06 11:27 AM |
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Yeah! |
knitter4democracy |
Jan-28-06 07:27 PM |
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I think they have changed the title from 'Algebra' |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 10:24 PM |
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That's odd. |
knitter4democracy |
Jan-29-06 09:28 AM |
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Our public school starts algebra in the early middle school years |
bleedingheart |
Jan-30-06 09:31 AM |
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George W. Bush is a product of the best private schools in America. |
aquart |
Jan-28-06 03:10 PM |
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LOL in all long threads like this, there is always one post |
proud2Blib |
Jan-28-06 04:03 PM |
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They don't teach about flying monkeys and talking snakes |
springsteen4senate |
Jan-28-06 04:07 PM |
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Everyone's experience is different; |
greiner3 |
Jan-29-06 08:27 AM |
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