| 126. dunno why he flip flopped - it would make an interesting question in the |
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next media interview...
oh but wait, it isn't Kucinich that's working on an '08 presidential campaign - it isn't Kucinich whose political career is being scrutinized because of implications these positions would bring to our nation. The media isn't interested in Kucinich because he doesn't factor in the nation's political landscape.
It's Clinton's positions that matter.
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| -Hillary Clinton making Flag Burning a CRIME ! |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:03 PM |
#0 |
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co-sponsered with Bennett of Utah! |
Leilani |
Dec-05-05 04:05 PM |
#1 |
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This is the new definition of "craven" |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Dec-05-05 07:54 PM |
#103 |
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She has no "right wing credentials" |
enough already |
Dec-06-05 07:24 AM |
#138 |
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You are so right about everything! |
amandabeech |
Dec-06-05 05:14 PM |
#166 |
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Do you mean she is supporting a Const. Amendment? |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:07 PM |
#2 |
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no, she is doing this in lieu of the Amendment |
northzax |
Dec-05-05 04:09 PM |
#5 |
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Exactly - in lieu of the Amendment. And changable and Court reviewable |
papau |
Dec-05-05 04:13 PM |
#12 |
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Those are ALREADY crimes ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:39 PM |
#73 |
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Direct violation of 1st amendment. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:14 PM |
#106 |
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I agree and expect a Court to reject -but Courts can not reject Amendments |
papau |
Dec-05-05 08:36 PM |
#115 |
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Supporting odious legislation is not smart. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:43 PM |
#117 |
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If the amendment was in danger of passing ... |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:14 PM |
#13 |
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A law will be struck down by the court. |
Zynx |
Dec-05-05 04:40 PM |
#26 |
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I hope you're right.. and if this law is challenged, and Free Speech wins |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:51 PM |
#31 |
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DING DING DING |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 05:17 PM |
#41 |
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LOL...the DLC as a secret arm of the repub party |
formernaderite |
Dec-05-05 09:32 PM |
#123 |
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It's apparently a bill not an amendment but still a fascists law. |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:13 PM |
#11 |
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They're for stirring up the rubes ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:38 PM |
#72 |
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I must be in a complete vacuumn because I haven't been hearing about |
itzamirakul |
Dec-06-05 07:30 AM |
#139 |
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You're not in a vacuum |
tavalon |
Dec-06-05 10:46 AM |
#155 |
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You too! |
tavalon |
Dec-06-05 10:39 AM |
#152 |
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this move did me in on hillary |
mexicoxpat |
Dec-05-05 04:07 PM |
#3 |
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now to be perfectly fair |
northzax |
Dec-05-05 04:08 PM |
#4 |
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The correct response ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:42 PM |
#74 |
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I'm not sure I would go that far |
tavalon |
Dec-06-05 10:45 AM |
#154 |
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In which Party is she going to run for President? |
leveymg |
Dec-05-05 04:10 PM |
#6 |
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Not OUR Party! |
leftstreet |
Dec-05-05 04:21 PM |
#20 |
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I think they've already stolen it.... |
formernaderite |
Dec-05-05 09:34 PM |
#124 |
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just a thought on "labor" |
paulk |
Dec-06-05 06:43 PM |
#172 |
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Is flag burning really a problem in the US? |
grateful581 |
Dec-05-05 04:10 PM |
#7 |
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Oh yeah, it's everywhere. |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:15 PM |
#15 |
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like yer sig Deep13!!! (nt) |
app_farmer_rb |
Dec-05-05 05:00 PM |
#34 |
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Found this the other day. |
Johnny Noshoes |
Dec-05-05 05:47 PM |
#50 |
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LOL |
tavalon |
Dec-06-05 10:47 AM |
#156 |
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Unreal |
gulfcoastliberal |
Dec-05-05 04:12 PM |
#8 |
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ditto to that |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:20 PM |
#19 |
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Why do you want to see our flag burned? Specific instances only covered. |
AZBlue |
Dec-05-05 04:12 PM |
#9 |
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it's not about what i want to see, it's about the principle of free speech |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:14 PM |
#14 |
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Under that logic you should be able to kill a public official if you don't |
AZBlue |
Dec-05-05 04:26 PM |
#21 |
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Excuse me? Flag Burning isn't Destroying other Peoples Property or Killing |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:42 PM |
#28 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-05-05 05:02 PM |
#36 |
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Actually, the first two are probably banned under state law. |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:18 PM |
#18 |
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For one thing, all of Washington DC is "federal Property" |
WannaJumpMyScooter |
Dec-05-05 04:35 PM |
#22 |
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Um, no it's not. |
AZBlue |
Dec-05-05 04:49 PM |
#29 |
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Sadly, yes, Washington District of Columbia is |
WannaJumpMyScooter |
Dec-05-05 05:46 PM |
#49 |
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Worth noting |
MrBenchley |
Dec-05-05 04:37 PM |
#24 |
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It is symbolic political speech which is protected WITHOUT exception. |
Zynx |
Dec-05-05 04:41 PM |
#27 |
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That's just your definition of it. |
AZBlue |
Dec-05-05 04:50 PM |
#30 |
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That's the Supreme Court's definition of it. |
Zynx |
Dec-05-05 07:34 PM |
#93 |
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easy |
Realityhack |
Dec-05-05 05:55 PM |
#55 |
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It's a non-issue. It's a non-existent issue put out by propagandists |
leesa |
Dec-06-05 06:54 AM |
#136 |
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Intimindating someone by burning the flag |
olafvikingr |
Dec-06-05 11:45 AM |
#157 |
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Will Kucinich back it? |
spaniard |
Dec-05-05 04:12 PM |
#10 |
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hmm. Good question. |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 04:17 PM |
#16 |
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LAME QUESTION n/t |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:18 PM |
#17 |
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Why? He supported a constitutional amendment banning it. |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 04:57 PM |
#32 |
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If true, that would be a stunning departure from his progressive positions |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 05:01 PM |
#35 |
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'tis true. And it is widely known |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 05:03 PM |
#37 |
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Actually, he flip-flopped. |
bornskeptic |
Dec-05-05 05:39 PM |
#46 |
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like his stance on a woman's right to choose? |
spaniard |
Dec-05-05 05:42 PM |
#48 |
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LOL! Wonder what made the difference? |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 05:51 PM |
#52 |
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Sherrod Brown did the same... |
Idioteque |
Dec-05-05 09:29 PM |
#122 |
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He did...and he was anti-choice at one point as well... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 05:59 PM |
#58 |
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The crime will be if Hillary gets the nomination. n/t |
Imalittleteapot |
Dec-05-05 04:37 PM |
#23 |
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Well said |
election_2004 |
Dec-07-05 11:39 AM |
#181 |
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To hell with her. I knew she would do something crass and rightwing |
Zynx |
Dec-05-05 04:39 PM |
#25 |
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This cinches it for me |
Einstein99 |
Dec-05-05 04:58 PM |
#33 |
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Hey! Dennis Kucinich and Wes Clark support a constitutional amendment... |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 05:05 PM |
#38 |
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Here's an important difference for me |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 05:25 PM |
#43 |
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It may be an opinion, but it's also a justification |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 05:39 PM |
#47 |
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Justification for an opinion about Hillary? |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 05:50 PM |
#51 |
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It probably is...and is a smart move... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 06:01 PM |
#62 |
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Hmmm |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 06:15 PM |
#65 |
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It is meaningless... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 06:19 PM |
#66 |
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I know Hillary is perceived as being a Liberal by the general public |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 07:19 PM |
#88 |
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Hillary does have a liberal record... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:29 PM |
#91 |
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You guys are amazing.... |
formernaderite |
Dec-05-05 09:39 PM |
#125 |
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Don't forget Money is more important than people. |
purji |
Dec-06-05 09:20 AM |
#142 |
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Great lets support lots of odious fascist laws |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:17 PM |
#109 |
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In the case of Kucinich-- |
eridani |
Dec-05-05 09:17 PM |
#121 |
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Interesting about Kucinich's brother lobbying for banning flag burning |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 06:21 PM |
#168 |
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"Lobbying" might not be the right word-- |
eridani |
Dec-06-05 08:41 PM |
#174 |
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Well there is a strategic issue on this ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:49 PM |
#78 |
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Don't know about Clark |
eridani |
Dec-05-05 09:14 PM |
#120 |
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Clark does not support American Flag burning |
wiley |
Dec-06-05 06:04 PM |
#167 |
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How many flags have you burned lately? |
SoCalDemocrat |
Dec-05-05 05:07 PM |
#39 |
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When was the last time you were tortured? |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 05:53 PM |
#54 |
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Hillary makes FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION a Crime |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 05:14 PM |
#40 |
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As President, Hillary will keep Bush's First Amendment zones |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-05-05 05:31 PM |
#44 |
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hmm.. Howard Dean as well... bit murky, though... |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 05:24 PM |
#42 |
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One would think she'd know that she first has to win the primaries |
question everything |
Dec-05-05 05:31 PM |
#45 |
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Maybe she saw what |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 05:55 PM |
#56 |
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She has sold out well in advance, a sign that... |
Voltaire99 |
Dec-05-05 06:28 PM |
#69 |
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Always remember. At this time last round, Lieberman |
question everything |
Dec-05-05 07:19 PM |
#87 |
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Why burn the flag when you can burn the Constitution instead? |
stickdog |
Dec-05-05 05:52 PM |
#53 |
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Honestly if she is our nominie I may have to boycot the ellection. |
Realityhack |
Dec-05-05 05:55 PM |
#57 |
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Yeah I think you might be right. |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 06:00 PM |
#59 |
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still dragging that moldy old pile of horseshit around? |
paulk |
Dec-06-05 06:52 PM |
#173 |
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Yeah horseshit. There was no coordinated "anti-Dean" campaign |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-07-05 10:03 AM |
#179 |
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eighteen percent in Iowa |
paulk |
Dec-07-05 11:33 AM |
#180 |
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SO mean spirited you are. |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-07-05 01:52 PM |
#182 |
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is that the best you can do? |
paulk |
Dec-07-05 08:32 PM |
#183 |
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before everyone gets all in a lather about this, consider the following |
onenote |
Dec-05-05 06:00 PM |
#60 |
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There's a BIG difference between Conrad/Byrd's actions and Clinton's |
Minnesota Raindog |
Dec-06-05 09:27 AM |
#147 |
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It Is A Non-Issue, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 06:01 PM |
#61 |
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Right on point...smart political move... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 06:11 PM |
#64 |
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If this issue is so trivial, why are flag burning cases constantly brought |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 06:31 PM |
#71 |
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Haven't you gotten the memo? |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 06:44 PM |
#76 |
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As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 06:49 PM |
#79 |
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You and I have both been here too long for your question |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:19 PM |
#89 |
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Still, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 07:35 PM |
#95 |
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Pernicious? |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:38 PM |
#96 |
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Everyone Needs A Break From Serious Matters, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 06:47 PM |
#77 |
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To you and others that agree with you, but a flag burning case was just |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 07:50 PM |
#98 |
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It was held to be unconstitutional in the 1980's. See below |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:55 PM |
#104 |
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Thanks I read this with great interest, why does the issue keep coming |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:48 PM |
#118 |
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what case -- I've searched and see no sign of a recent SCOTUS flag case |
onenote |
Dec-06-05 10:22 AM |
#151 |
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sorry, i wasn't paying too close attention. it was broadcasting on C-Span |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 06:25 PM |
#171 |
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it must've been a very old audio |
onenote |
Dec-06-05 11:04 PM |
#176 |
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Constantly? I'd like to see some evidence |
onenote |
Dec-06-05 10:15 AM |
#150 |
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You would have to admit though |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 06:42 PM |
#75 |
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Certainly They Do, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 06:53 PM |
#80 |
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I question the idea that |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:22 PM |
#90 |
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There Is Something To That, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 07:32 PM |
#92 |
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I see your point. I simply disagree that monkeying with the |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:41 PM |
#97 |
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This, No matter of real importance, SIR? |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 07:53 PM |
#101 |
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Why burn the flag when you can burn the Constitution instead? (nt) |
stickdog |
Dec-05-05 06:11 PM |
#63 |
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LOL. Perfect response |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:51 PM |
#99 |
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Good one! |
IndyOp |
Dec-06-05 09:44 AM |
#148 |
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There's a cancer on the party, and its name is Hillary. |
Voltaire99 |
Dec-05-05 06:19 PM |
#67 |
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How fucking annoying |
killbotfactory |
Dec-05-05 06:21 PM |
#68 |
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More mush-mouth ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:30 PM |
#70 |
| -
Wesley Clark support amendment to ban flag-burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:01 PM |
#81 |
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We are having this conversation up thread, about context |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 07:35 PM |
#94 |
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Yes, Clark does support a Constitutional amdmt to ban flag burning |
ultraist |
Dec-05-05 09:09 PM |
#119 |
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Howard Dean supports law protecting the flag... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:02 PM |
#82 |
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Howard Dean is worng for doing so. nt. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:19 PM |
#111 |
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Dennis Kucinich supports an amendment banning flag burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:05 PM |
#83 |
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Dennis Kucinich is wrong for doing so. nt. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:19 PM |
#112 |
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He voted in favor before he voted against it. look up the thread... |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:20 PM |
#113 |
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So that would make him a .... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 08:23 PM |
#114 |
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dunno why he flip flopped - it would make an interesting question in the |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 10:40 PM |
#126 |
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Do you know Kucinich isn't making another run? |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 11:28 PM |
#129 |
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Political Strategies |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 12:54 AM |
#130 |
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The line has been drawn... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-06-05 01:25 AM |
#133 |
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You make an important. It appears I may have over reacted. |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 01:37 AM |
#134 |
| -
Mark Dayton Supports constitutional amendment banning flag burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:11 PM |
#84 |
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So what? They are WRONG! Dismanteling the First Amendment is NOT |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:18 PM |
#110 |
| -
Tom Lantos supports amendment banning flag burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:15 PM |
#85 |
| -
Lantos is a reactionary - he doesn't understand the Bill of Rights |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:14 PM |
#107 |
| -
Hillary Clinton opposes amendment banning flag burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:16 PM |
#86 |
| -
Okay. Now she's not being honest |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:54 PM |
#102 |
| -
Yeah not the point... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 08:07 PM |
#105 |
| -
I'm stunned that the 1st Amendment is considered as "Meaningless". |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:16 PM |
#108 |
| -
She is stopping an amendment from passing - and this is dishonest? |
papau |
Dec-05-05 08:38 PM |
#116 |
| -
Yes. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 10:44 PM |
#128 |
| -
I loved Jon Stewart's take on this last time |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-05-05 07:51 PM |
#100 |
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AMEN! (n/t) |
Che_Nuevara |
Dec-06-05 08:06 AM |
#141 |
| -
Buh bye Hillary... |
zulchzulu |
Dec-05-05 10:44 PM |
#127 |
| -
This kind of politicking can only ruin the party |
Blasphemer |
Dec-06-05 01:05 AM |
#131 |
| -
Wow, what a hardass. |
d_b |
Dec-06-05 01:16 AM |
#132 |
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lol! |
hiley |
Dec-06-05 06:22 PM |
#169 |
| -
now she's gone too far |
Neil Lisst |
Dec-06-05 06:00 AM |
#135 |
| -
I like Hillary but I see no upside for her doing this |
CTyankee |
Dec-06-05 07:07 AM |
#137 |
| -
Defend that move? Why would anyone defend U.S. Flag burning? |
win_in_06 |
Dec-06-05 08:04 AM |
#140 |
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because it's an expression of free speech protected |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-06-05 09:23 AM |
#145 |
| -
No, I wasn't. I can't imagine why you would want to defend flag burning |
win_in_06 |
Dec-06-05 12:23 PM |
#158 |
| -
I expect our leader to defend free speech, not to pander |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-07-05 12:43 AM |
#178 |
| -
If you don't already intuit the answer to that question, then there's some |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 02:09 PM |
#163 |
| -
Recommended. It disturbs me that Hillary Clinton or any other |
Benhurst |
Dec-06-05 09:23 AM |
#143 |
| -
God, I hate that corporate witch. n/t |
fudge stripe cookays |
Dec-06-05 09:23 AM |
#144 |
| -
At least she is taking a stand on this vitally important issue |
klook |
Dec-06-05 09:26 AM |
#146 |
| -
triangulation |
realpolitik |
Dec-06-05 09:58 AM |
#149 |
| -
it's so "Dick Morris". nt |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-06-05 01:14 PM |
#162 |
| -
Bad move, Hillary. Bad move. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Dec-06-05 10:44 AM |
#153 |
| -
the repubs play political games all the time, why shouldnt' we fight fire |
onenote |
Dec-06-05 12:48 PM |
#159 |
| -
Hillary's a TOTAL rethug-it's been obvious for a while now. |
TheGoldenRule |
Dec-06-05 01:13 PM |
#160 |
| -
exactly |
hiley |
Dec-06-05 06:24 PM |
#170 |
| -
But *YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BURN* the American flag - American tradition says |
Mabus |
Dec-06-05 01:13 PM |
#161 |
| -
She is really reminding me of Bill's days, when he kept stealing |
Nimrod2005 |
Dec-06-05 02:14 PM |
#164 |
| -
And there go more of our rights. Shall we Goose Step Comrad? |
Selteri |
Dec-06-05 04:30 PM |
#165 |
| -
If she wants to improve her image, why does she keep being an asshole? |
nicknameless |
Dec-06-05 09:36 PM |
#175 |
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I have never burned a flag, nor have I ever felt the urge to do so. |
tblue37 |
Dec-07-05 12:26 AM |
#177 |
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I think it's a strategy to avert something worse |
jrd200x |
Dec-07-05 09:54 PM |
#184 |
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At least she HAS a position, unlike some of the other Dems including Kerry |
mtnsnake |
Dec-07-05 10:19 PM |
#185 |
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