| 85. Tom Lantos supports amendment banning flag burning... |
| -Hillary Clinton making Flag Burning a CRIME ! |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:03 PM |
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co-sponsered with Bennett of Utah! |
Leilani |
Dec-05-05 04:05 PM |
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This is the new definition of "craven" |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Dec-05-05 07:54 PM |
#103 |
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She has no "right wing credentials" |
enough already |
Dec-06-05 07:24 AM |
#138 |
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You are so right about everything! |
amandabeech |
Dec-06-05 05:14 PM |
#166 |
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Do you mean she is supporting a Const. Amendment? |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:07 PM |
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no, she is doing this in lieu of the Amendment |
northzax |
Dec-05-05 04:09 PM |
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Exactly - in lieu of the Amendment. And changable and Court reviewable |
papau |
Dec-05-05 04:13 PM |
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Those are ALREADY crimes ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:39 PM |
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Direct violation of 1st amendment. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:14 PM |
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I agree and expect a Court to reject -but Courts can not reject Amendments |
papau |
Dec-05-05 08:36 PM |
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Supporting odious legislation is not smart. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:43 PM |
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If the amendment was in danger of passing ... |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:14 PM |
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A law will be struck down by the court. |
Zynx |
Dec-05-05 04:40 PM |
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I hope you're right.. and if this law is challenged, and Free Speech wins |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:51 PM |
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DING DING DING |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 05:17 PM |
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LOL...the DLC as a secret arm of the repub party |
formernaderite |
Dec-05-05 09:32 PM |
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It's apparently a bill not an amendment but still a fascists law. |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:13 PM |
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They're for stirring up the rubes ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:38 PM |
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I must be in a complete vacuumn because I haven't been hearing about |
itzamirakul |
Dec-06-05 07:30 AM |
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You're not in a vacuum |
tavalon |
Dec-06-05 10:46 AM |
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You too! |
tavalon |
Dec-06-05 10:39 AM |
#152 |
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this move did me in on hillary |
mexicoxpat |
Dec-05-05 04:07 PM |
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now to be perfectly fair |
northzax |
Dec-05-05 04:08 PM |
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The correct response ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:42 PM |
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I'm not sure I would go that far |
tavalon |
Dec-06-05 10:45 AM |
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In which Party is she going to run for President? |
leveymg |
Dec-05-05 04:10 PM |
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Not OUR Party! |
leftstreet |
Dec-05-05 04:21 PM |
#20 |
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I think they've already stolen it.... |
formernaderite |
Dec-05-05 09:34 PM |
#124 |
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just a thought on "labor" |
paulk |
Dec-06-05 06:43 PM |
#172 |
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Is flag burning really a problem in the US? |
grateful581 |
Dec-05-05 04:10 PM |
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Oh yeah, it's everywhere. |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:15 PM |
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like yer sig Deep13!!! (nt) |
app_farmer_rb |
Dec-05-05 05:00 PM |
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Found this the other day. |
Johnny Noshoes |
Dec-05-05 05:47 PM |
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LOL |
tavalon |
Dec-06-05 10:47 AM |
#156 |
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Unreal |
gulfcoastliberal |
Dec-05-05 04:12 PM |
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ditto to that |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:20 PM |
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Why do you want to see our flag burned? Specific instances only covered. |
AZBlue |
Dec-05-05 04:12 PM |
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it's not about what i want to see, it's about the principle of free speech |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:14 PM |
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Under that logic you should be able to kill a public official if you don't |
AZBlue |
Dec-05-05 04:26 PM |
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Excuse me? Flag Burning isn't Destroying other Peoples Property or Killing |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:42 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-05-05 05:02 PM |
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Actually, the first two are probably banned under state law. |
Deep13 |
Dec-05-05 04:18 PM |
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For one thing, all of Washington DC is "federal Property" |
WannaJumpMyScooter |
Dec-05-05 04:35 PM |
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Um, no it's not. |
AZBlue |
Dec-05-05 04:49 PM |
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Sadly, yes, Washington District of Columbia is |
WannaJumpMyScooter |
Dec-05-05 05:46 PM |
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Worth noting |
MrBenchley |
Dec-05-05 04:37 PM |
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It is symbolic political speech which is protected WITHOUT exception. |
Zynx |
Dec-05-05 04:41 PM |
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That's just your definition of it. |
AZBlue |
Dec-05-05 04:50 PM |
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That's the Supreme Court's definition of it. |
Zynx |
Dec-05-05 07:34 PM |
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easy |
Realityhack |
Dec-05-05 05:55 PM |
#55 |
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It's a non-issue. It's a non-existent issue put out by propagandists |
leesa |
Dec-06-05 06:54 AM |
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Intimindating someone by burning the flag |
olafvikingr |
Dec-06-05 11:45 AM |
#157 |
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Will Kucinich back it? |
spaniard |
Dec-05-05 04:12 PM |
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hmm. Good question. |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 04:17 PM |
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LAME QUESTION n/t |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 04:18 PM |
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Why? He supported a constitutional amendment banning it. |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 04:57 PM |
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If true, that would be a stunning departure from his progressive positions |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 05:01 PM |
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'tis true. And it is widely known |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 05:03 PM |
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Actually, he flip-flopped. |
bornskeptic |
Dec-05-05 05:39 PM |
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like his stance on a woman's right to choose? |
spaniard |
Dec-05-05 05:42 PM |
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LOL! Wonder what made the difference? |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 05:51 PM |
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Sherrod Brown did the same... |
Idioteque |
Dec-05-05 09:29 PM |
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He did...and he was anti-choice at one point as well... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 05:59 PM |
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The crime will be if Hillary gets the nomination. n/t |
Imalittleteapot |
Dec-05-05 04:37 PM |
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Well said |
election_2004 |
Dec-07-05 11:39 AM |
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To hell with her. I knew she would do something crass and rightwing |
Zynx |
Dec-05-05 04:39 PM |
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This cinches it for me |
Einstein99 |
Dec-05-05 04:58 PM |
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Hey! Dennis Kucinich and Wes Clark support a constitutional amendment... |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 05:05 PM |
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Here's an important difference for me |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 05:25 PM |
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It may be an opinion, but it's also a justification |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 05:39 PM |
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Justification for an opinion about Hillary? |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 05:50 PM |
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It probably is...and is a smart move... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 06:01 PM |
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Hmmm |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 06:15 PM |
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It is meaningless... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 06:19 PM |
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I know Hillary is perceived as being a Liberal by the general public |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 07:19 PM |
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Hillary does have a liberal record... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:29 PM |
#91 |
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You guys are amazing.... |
formernaderite |
Dec-05-05 09:39 PM |
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Don't forget Money is more important than people. |
purji |
Dec-06-05 09:20 AM |
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Great lets support lots of odious fascist laws |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:17 PM |
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In the case of Kucinich-- |
eridani |
Dec-05-05 09:17 PM |
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Interesting about Kucinich's brother lobbying for banning flag burning |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 06:21 PM |
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"Lobbying" might not be the right word-- |
eridani |
Dec-06-05 08:41 PM |
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Well there is a strategic issue on this ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:49 PM |
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Don't know about Clark |
eridani |
Dec-05-05 09:14 PM |
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Clark does not support American Flag burning |
wiley |
Dec-06-05 06:04 PM |
#167 |
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How many flags have you burned lately? |
SoCalDemocrat |
Dec-05-05 05:07 PM |
#39 |
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When was the last time you were tortured? |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 05:53 PM |
#54 |
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Hillary makes FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION a Crime |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 05:14 PM |
#40 |
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As President, Hillary will keep Bush's First Amendment zones |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-05-05 05:31 PM |
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hmm.. Howard Dean as well... bit murky, though... |
wyldwolf |
Dec-05-05 05:24 PM |
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One would think she'd know that she first has to win the primaries |
question everything |
Dec-05-05 05:31 PM |
#45 |
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Maybe she saw what |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 05:55 PM |
#56 |
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She has sold out well in advance, a sign that... |
Voltaire99 |
Dec-05-05 06:28 PM |
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Always remember. At this time last round, Lieberman |
question everything |
Dec-05-05 07:19 PM |
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Why burn the flag when you can burn the Constitution instead? |
stickdog |
Dec-05-05 05:52 PM |
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Honestly if she is our nominie I may have to boycot the ellection. |
Realityhack |
Dec-05-05 05:55 PM |
#57 |
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Yeah I think you might be right. |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-05-05 06:00 PM |
#59 |
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still dragging that moldy old pile of horseshit around? |
paulk |
Dec-06-05 06:52 PM |
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Yeah horseshit. There was no coordinated "anti-Dean" campaign |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-07-05 10:03 AM |
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eighteen percent in Iowa |
paulk |
Dec-07-05 11:33 AM |
#180 |
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SO mean spirited you are. |
iconoclastNYC |
Dec-07-05 01:52 PM |
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is that the best you can do? |
paulk |
Dec-07-05 08:32 PM |
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before everyone gets all in a lather about this, consider the following |
onenote |
Dec-05-05 06:00 PM |
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There's a BIG difference between Conrad/Byrd's actions and Clinton's |
Minnesota Raindog |
Dec-06-05 09:27 AM |
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It Is A Non-Issue, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 06:01 PM |
#61 |
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Right on point...smart political move... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 06:11 PM |
#64 |
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If this issue is so trivial, why are flag burning cases constantly brought |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 06:31 PM |
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Haven't you gotten the memo? |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 06:44 PM |
#76 |
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As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 06:49 PM |
#79 |
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You and I have both been here too long for your question |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:19 PM |
#89 |
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Still, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 07:35 PM |
#95 |
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Pernicious? |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:38 PM |
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Everyone Needs A Break From Serious Matters, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 06:47 PM |
#77 |
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To you and others that agree with you, but a flag burning case was just |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 07:50 PM |
#98 |
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It was held to be unconstitutional in the 1980's. See below |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:55 PM |
#104 |
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Thanks I read this with great interest, why does the issue keep coming |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:48 PM |
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what case -- I've searched and see no sign of a recent SCOTUS flag case |
onenote |
Dec-06-05 10:22 AM |
#151 |
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sorry, i wasn't paying too close attention. it was broadcasting on C-Span |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 06:25 PM |
#171 |
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it must've been a very old audio |
onenote |
Dec-06-05 11:04 PM |
#176 |
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Constantly? I'd like to see some evidence |
onenote |
Dec-06-05 10:15 AM |
#150 |
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You would have to admit though |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 06:42 PM |
#75 |
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Certainly They Do, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 06:53 PM |
#80 |
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I question the idea that |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:22 PM |
#90 |
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There Is Something To That, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-05-05 07:32 PM |
#92 |
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I see your point. I simply disagree that monkeying with the |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:41 PM |
#97 |
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This, No matter of real importance, SIR? |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 07:53 PM |
#101 |
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Why burn the flag when you can burn the Constitution instead? (nt) |
stickdog |
Dec-05-05 06:11 PM |
#63 |
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LOL. Perfect response |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:51 PM |
#99 |
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Good one! |
IndyOp |
Dec-06-05 09:44 AM |
#148 |
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There's a cancer on the party, and its name is Hillary. |
Voltaire99 |
Dec-05-05 06:19 PM |
#67 |
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How fucking annoying |
killbotfactory |
Dec-05-05 06:21 PM |
#68 |
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More mush-mouth ... |
chicagiana |
Dec-05-05 06:30 PM |
#70 |
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Wesley Clark support amendment to ban flag-burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:01 PM |
#81 |
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We are having this conversation up thread, about context |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-05-05 07:35 PM |
#94 |
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Yes, Clark does support a Constitutional amdmt to ban flag burning |
ultraist |
Dec-05-05 09:09 PM |
#119 |
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Howard Dean supports law protecting the flag... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:02 PM |
#82 |
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Howard Dean is worng for doing so. nt. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:19 PM |
#111 |
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Dennis Kucinich supports an amendment banning flag burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:05 PM |
#83 |
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Dennis Kucinich is wrong for doing so. nt. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 08:19 PM |
#112 |
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He voted in favor before he voted against it. look up the thread... |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:20 PM |
#113 |
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So that would make him a .... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 08:23 PM |
#114 |
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dunno why he flip flopped - it would make an interesting question in the |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 10:40 PM |
#126 |
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Do you know Kucinich isn't making another run? |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 11:28 PM |
#129 |
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Political Strategies |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 12:54 AM |
#130 |
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The line has been drawn... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-06-05 01:25 AM |
#133 |
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You make an important. It appears I may have over reacted. |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 01:37 AM |
#134 |
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Mark Dayton Supports constitutional amendment banning flag burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:11 PM |
#84 |
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So what? They are WRONG! Dismanteling the First Amendment is NOT |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:18 PM |
#110 |
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Tom Lantos supports amendment banning flag burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:15 PM |
#85 |
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Lantos is a reactionary - he doesn't understand the Bill of Rights |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:14 PM |
#107 |
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Hillary Clinton opposes amendment banning flag burning... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 07:16 PM |
#86 |
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Okay. Now she's not being honest |
Jacobin |
Dec-05-05 07:54 PM |
#102 |
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Yeah not the point... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-05-05 08:07 PM |
#105 |
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I'm stunned that the 1st Amendment is considered as "Meaningless". |
radio4progressives |
Dec-05-05 08:16 PM |
#108 |
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She is stopping an amendment from passing - and this is dishonest? |
papau |
Dec-05-05 08:38 PM |
#116 |
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Yes. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-05 10:44 PM |
#128 |
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I loved Jon Stewart's take on this last time |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-05-05 07:51 PM |
#100 |
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AMEN! (n/t) |
Che_Nuevara |
Dec-06-05 08:06 AM |
#141 |
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Buh bye Hillary... |
zulchzulu |
Dec-05-05 10:44 PM |
#127 |
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This kind of politicking can only ruin the party |
Blasphemer |
Dec-06-05 01:05 AM |
#131 |
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Wow, what a hardass. |
d_b |
Dec-06-05 01:16 AM |
#132 |
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lol! |
hiley |
Dec-06-05 06:22 PM |
#169 |
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now she's gone too far |
Neil Lisst |
Dec-06-05 06:00 AM |
#135 |
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I like Hillary but I see no upside for her doing this |
CTyankee |
Dec-06-05 07:07 AM |
#137 |
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Defend that move? Why would anyone defend U.S. Flag burning? |
win_in_06 |
Dec-06-05 08:04 AM |
#140 |
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because it's an expression of free speech protected |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-06-05 09:23 AM |
#145 |
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No, I wasn't. I can't imagine why you would want to defend flag burning |
win_in_06 |
Dec-06-05 12:23 PM |
#158 |
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I expect our leader to defend free speech, not to pander |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-07-05 12:43 AM |
#178 |
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If you don't already intuit the answer to that question, then there's some |
radio4progressives |
Dec-06-05 02:09 PM |
#163 |
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Recommended. It disturbs me that Hillary Clinton or any other |
Benhurst |
Dec-06-05 09:23 AM |
#143 |
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God, I hate that corporate witch. n/t |
fudge stripe cookays |
Dec-06-05 09:23 AM |
#144 |
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At least she is taking a stand on this vitally important issue |
klook |
Dec-06-05 09:26 AM |
#146 |
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triangulation |
realpolitik |
Dec-06-05 09:58 AM |
#149 |
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it's so "Dick Morris". nt |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-06-05 01:14 PM |
#162 |
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Bad move, Hillary. Bad move. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Dec-06-05 10:44 AM |
#153 |
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the repubs play political games all the time, why shouldnt' we fight fire |
onenote |
Dec-06-05 12:48 PM |
#159 |
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Hillary's a TOTAL rethug-it's been obvious for a while now. |
TheGoldenRule |
Dec-06-05 01:13 PM |
#160 |
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exactly |
hiley |
Dec-06-05 06:24 PM |
#170 |
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But *YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BURN* the American flag - American tradition says |
Mabus |
Dec-06-05 01:13 PM |
#161 |
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She is really reminding me of Bill's days, when he kept stealing |
Nimrod2005 |
Dec-06-05 02:14 PM |
#164 |
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And there go more of our rights. Shall we Goose Step Comrad? |
Selteri |
Dec-06-05 04:30 PM |
#165 |
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If she wants to improve her image, why does she keep being an asshole? |
nicknameless |
Dec-06-05 09:36 PM |
#175 |
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I have never burned a flag, nor have I ever felt the urge to do so. |
tblue37 |
Dec-07-05 12:26 AM |
#177 |
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I think it's a strategy to avert something worse |
jrd200x |
Dec-07-05 09:54 PM |
#184 |
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At least she HAS a position, unlike some of the other Dems including Kerry |
mtnsnake |
Dec-07-05 10:19 PM |
#185 |
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