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65. The GOP, the corporations and their pet media chose him for us.
Just like they will choose our next candidate, probably Hillary, and their games will continue unabated. That way, either they take down the candidate, or they let them win if they are certain they will toe the line as ordered.
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  -Someone explain to me how Kerry was the most electable in '04? nickshepDEM  Nov-27-05 12:06 AM   #0 
  - I never thought he was, not by a long shot  Skittles   Nov-27-05 12:06 AM   #1 
  - Blame it on Iowa...  larissa   Nov-27-05 12:08 AM   #2 
  - Let's not forget the DNC that just poured $ into his  greyhound1966   Nov-27-05 11:29 AM   #72 
     - Not True - in Dec 03, the time period you are talking about  karynnj   Nov-27-05 11:50 AM   #77 
        - You have GOT to be kidding, Kerry, the poor little rich boy?  PassingFair   Nov-27-05 01:27 PM   #104 
        - It is absolutely true  karynnj   Nov-27-05 02:16 PM   #108 
        - I guess in Iowa, it's not how much you spend...  PassingFair   Nov-27-05 02:20 PM   #109 
        - How much do you think he has?  LittleClarkie   Nov-28-05 05:42 PM   #198 
           - Methinks Mama might have had an interest in being...  PassingFair   Nov-28-05 06:41 PM   #201 
              - Yawp. But she can only cough up so much  LittleClarkie   Nov-28-05 06:56 PM   #203 
                 - Heh. I just did that very thing (opensecrets.org). I found something funny  LittleClarkie   Nov-28-05 07:54 PM   #204 
        - I've been unsuccessfully looking for the data. I remember reading  greyhound1966   Nov-27-05 03:06 PM   #118 
  - I wish I could answer, but you're singing to the choir here.  MercutioATC   Nov-27-05 12:09 AM   #3 
  - Gee - I can think of eight  karynnj   Nov-27-05 11:50 AM   #78 
  - Al Sharpton??? C'mon...  MercutioATC   Nov-27-05 09:52 PM   #154 
  - Excuse me? Where do you come off saying that. He was far from  wisteria   Nov-27-05 10:39 PM   #162 
     - He never connected with the "average" American.  MercutioATC   Nov-27-05 10:58 PM   #164 
        - Firefighters identified with him - so did men who lived in REAL foxholes  blm   Nov-28-05 09:36 AM   #173 
           - Ahhh, if only the electorate were all firefighters and veterans...  MercutioATC   Nov-28-05 03:16 PM   #189 
              - You think so, Other people think so. A lot is your qualifier that  Mass   Nov-28-05 03:21 PM   #190 
              - "A lot" was enough to let Bush win...  MercutioATC   Nov-28-05 03:30 PM   #191 
                 - That was true of all candidates. Some like them, some dont,  Mass   Nov-28-05 03:33 PM   #192 
              - Not the waiters and waitresses who voted Kerry tops for graciousness  blm   Nov-28-05 03:36 PM   #193 
                 - Except if you believe CNN's Crowley who thinks that people in Iowa  Mass   Nov-28-05 03:40 PM   #194 
                 - Ahhh, if only the electorate were all waiters and waitresses...  MercutioATC   Nov-28-05 03:40 PM   #195 
                    - And something caused people to believe Dean was a raving lunatic but it  blm   Nov-28-05 03:50 PM   #196 
  - and more Kerry bashing helps how....??  Dying Eagle   Nov-27-05 12:11 AM   #4 
  - Im not bashing Kerry. Im bashing the people who say electability  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 12:12 AM   #6 
  - Your intent may not be a Kerry bash...  Dying Eagle   Nov-27-05 12:20 AM   #12 
  - Many of us did see the same thing as you. He was my choice and even  _dynamicdems   Nov-27-05 01:58 AM   #32 
  - Count me as one  karynnj   Nov-27-05 11:52 AM   #79 
  - Then use FACTS to explain your claims against Kerry in your post.  blm   Nov-27-05 10:08 AM   #48 
     - The fact that you cannot provide any...  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 10:11 AM   #49 
     - Then I suggest you read all the posts. They have been named but YOU dodge  blm   Nov-27-05 10:17 AM   #53 
     - Are you a paid Kerry campaigner?  maryallen   Nov-27-05 02:48 PM   #110 
        - Nope. I'm someone who came here to alert people to Left Behind influence  blm   Nov-27-05 05:48 PM   #134 
  - We would stop "bashing" Kerry if the pro-Kerry folks would  ladjf   Nov-27-05 12:09 PM   #87 
     - Thank you!!  MyPetRock   Nov-27-05 12:11 PM   #89 
     - Bashing Kerry because his supporters are supporting him? n/t  ProSense   Nov-27-05 12:26 PM   #90 
     - Care to show the threads that do that?  blm   Nov-27-05 01:11 PM   #99 
     - Why would you defend Kerry against RW lies, ect unless you  ladjf   Nov-27-05 07:23 PM   #151 
        - We want the truth to prevail! Not the lies! n/t  wisteria   Nov-27-05 10:30 PM   #160 
        - Find the lawmaker who effected this nation more positively the last 35yrs.  blm   Nov-28-05 08:16 AM   #169 
        - Because he deserves to have his reputation reflect the principled  karynnj   Nov-28-05 02:26 PM   #181 
     - Thats funny  Dying Eagle   Nov-27-05 02:00 PM   #107 
     - We can not promote what is undeclared. We only defend him  wisteria   Nov-27-05 10:29 PM   #159 
     - Got that right!  TankLV   Nov-27-05 11:43 PM   #166 
     - Seeing that this is a Warner 2008 thread in desguise  karynnj   Nov-28-05 02:19 PM   #180 
  - i didnt think so, and didnt vote for him in the primary.  bullimiami   Nov-27-05 12:11 AM   #5 
  - Stupidity....Once he won Iowa, the herd instinct took over ...STAMPEDE!  Rowdyboy   Nov-27-05 12:12 AM   #7 
  - Yeah... what Rowdyboy said. ...But on the bright side Nick...  larissa   Nov-27-05 12:16 AM   #10 
  - Thats a good pic.  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 12:18 AM   #11 
  - Yeah... I like it too...  larissa   Nov-27-05 12:21 AM   #13 
  - You know what, I am beginning to dislike him already, simply  wisteria   Nov-27-05 10:34 PM   #161 
  - Not only that, as a NH neighbor he got the favorite son vote...  Kahuna   Nov-27-05 11:53 AM   #81 
     - My map shows that Vermont is also a neighbor of NH  karynnj   Nov-28-05 02:30 PM   #182 
  - He wasn't, although he was a DAMN sight more so than Gep or Graham.  Jim Sagle   Nov-27-05 12:14 AM   #8 
  - Kerry was elected  melody   Nov-27-05 12:15 AM   #9 
  - He won... seems pretty open-and-shut to me. nt  sepia_steel   Nov-27-05 12:36 AM   #14 
  - Won? Damn, fooled the hell out of me...  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 12:39 AM   #16 
  - I didn't agree with it but those guys weren't any better, IMO  Awsi Dooger   Nov-27-05 12:37 AM   #15 
  - I was going to include Edwards, but I figured...  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 12:44 AM   #18 
     - I'm not sure  Awsi Dooger   Nov-27-05 01:01 AM   #24 
        - It's easy to forget now but Bush ran on his national security credentials  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-27-05 07:46 AM   #40 
        - Edwards would likely have been seen as someone far too green  karynnj   Nov-27-05 12:10 PM   #88 
  - Mediocre at best? That's what you call a 92% lifetime ADA rating?  WildEyedLiberal   Nov-27-05 12:41 AM   #17 
  - Well said Wild Eye.....  Dying Eagle   Nov-27-05 12:53 AM   #20 
  - Newsflash  Awsi Dooger   Nov-27-05 12:54 AM   #21 
  - But by that token, no challenger has ever beat an incumbent war prez.  WildEyedLiberal   Nov-27-05 01:13 AM   #28 
  - Damn, you make it sound so good.  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 12:56 AM   #22 
  - Ooohh, pick me.. I know, I know !!!  larissa   Nov-27-05 01:00 AM   #23 
  - That too. n/t  WildEyedLiberal   Nov-27-05 01:10 AM   #27 
  - FEAR, LIES, SPIN ,WAR ,CHARACTER ASSASSINATION  WildEyedLiberal   Nov-27-05 01:09 AM   #26 
  - We are not in a war, a war requires sacrafice. Who besides the  dorktv   Nov-27-05 01:25 AM   #29 
     - That made no sense  WildEyedLiberal   Nov-27-05 01:27 AM   #30 
        - 2000=senseless slaughter.  dorktv   Nov-27-05 07:40 PM   #153 
  - HE DIDN'T !!  discerning christian   Nov-27-05 01:29 AM   #31 
  - So why didn't Kerry ever brag about these accomplishments? Or  Kahuna   Nov-27-05 11:58 AM   #82 
     - It's untrue if you watched daily Cspan rallies, true if you watched corp.  blm   Nov-27-05 01:16 PM   #100 
     - That may be all the media reported  karynnj   Nov-28-05 02:48 PM   #184 
  - My opinion: I wasn't so much involved in politics, but was  babylonsister   Nov-27-05 12:52 AM   #19 
  - Maybe because people voted for him. I really love Gephardt and think  _dynamicdems   Nov-27-05 01:07 AM   #25 
  - Wesley Clark might have been much more electable.  longship   Nov-27-05 02:18 AM   #33 
  - If wishes were horses beggars would ride  karynnj   Nov-27-05 12:27 PM   #91 
  - Corporate Media talking head frenzy that started after Iowa  high density   Nov-27-05 03:57 AM   #34 
  - Reality  fedupinBushcountry   Nov-27-05 08:00 AM   #42 
  - You're right  beaconess   Nov-27-05 07:28 PM   #152 
  - Coming in third when everyone expected him to win was a  karynnj   Nov-27-05 12:28 PM   #92 
  - He was the DLC's alternative to Joementum  election_2004   Nov-27-05 04:33 AM   #35 
  - Clark was supported mostly by the Clinton people  karynnj   Nov-27-05 12:39 PM   #93 
     - I've heard it argued that he was a Kerry alternative  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-27-05 03:53 PM   #121 
     - Joementum was a factor  election_2004   Nov-27-05 04:42 PM   #128 
        - Lieberman had his initial backers sure  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-27-05 05:06 PM   #130 
     - DLC alternative?  incapsulated   Nov-27-05 10:04 PM   #156 
  - Whether electable or not, he won by 5M votes according to the polls,  Stevepol   Nov-27-05 04:40 AM   #36 
  - OK, some thoughts  Catchawave   Nov-27-05 07:06 AM   #37 
  - Not all VN vets voted against Kerry  karynnj   Nov-27-05 12:51 PM   #94 
     - Oh I agree !  Catchawave   Nov-27-05 03:01 PM   #116 
        - The Democrats always get less than half of the veterans  karynnj   Nov-28-05 02:51 PM   #185 
  - Graham  Joy Anne   Nov-27-05 07:20 AM   #38 
  - Because he won Iowa.  TayTay   Nov-27-05 07:22 AM   #39 
  - Dick Gephardt is a great guy and a wonderful legislator.  Neil Lisst   Nov-27-05 07:50 AM   #41 
  - You hear that at DU  LWolf   Nov-27-05 08:49 AM   #43 
  - I agree with much of your post but  skipos   Nov-27-05 09:58 AM   #44 
  - I donated. I voted.  LWolf   Nov-27-05 11:27 AM   #70 
  - And those of us who WANT to expose government corruption WANTED Kerry.  blm   Nov-27-05 10:07 AM   #47 
  - Some of you. n/t  LWolf   Nov-27-05 11:27 AM   #71 
     - Yep, those of us who can decipher actual records and historic facts.  blm   Nov-27-05 11:35 AM   #73 
        - Again, some of you.  LWolf   Nov-28-05 06:35 AM   #168 
           - I think the focus should be on machine fraud, too. And media fraud.  blm   Nov-28-05 08:21 AM   #170 
  - Yes, Kerry easily won the ABB crowd, BUT  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-28-05 01:42 PM   #176 
     - I think it was more that  ProSense   Nov-28-05 02:08 PM   #177 
  - Explain your criteria for your claim that his Senate record was mediocre.  blm   Nov-27-05 10:04 AM   #45 
  - Name one major piece of legislation that he wrote...  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 10:07 AM   #46 
  - YOU made a claim - back up your claim.  blm   Nov-27-05 10:13 AM   #50 
     - I said major...  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 10:14 AM   #51 
     - HAHAH - Campaign finance reform Bill came after Kerry and Wellstone's  blm   Nov-27-05 10:19 AM   #54 
     - Wow, your really streching now.  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 10:26 AM   #57 
        - Nope. I don't view McCain-Feingold's bill a success for this country -  blm   Nov-27-05 10:34 AM   #59 
     - Tracking Terror Funding wasn't major to you? Must have been major because  blm   Nov-27-05 10:37 AM   #60 
     - My claim is backed by his lack of major legislation, thanks.  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 10:15 AM   #52 
        - Your claim is based on not knowing how the senate works. SENIOR Senators  blm   Nov-27-05 10:23 AM   #55 
  - Kerry never mentioned one thing about his senate record. If it was so  Kahuna   Nov-27-05 12:00 PM   #83 
     - The party's job was to do the bragging about the man, like RNC did for W.  blm   Nov-27-05 01:08 PM   #98 
  - He WAS. It WAS his Destiny...even yet.  zann725   Nov-27-05 10:25 AM   #56 
  - Kerry got the nomination and the election was stolen.  ProSense   Nov-27-05 10:28 AM   #58 
  - I think this is a strawman  Cocoa   Nov-27-05 10:43 AM   #61 
  - I never said Kerry supporters voted for him soley because...  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 11:15 AM   #64 
     - How ironic that you are pushing a candidate for 2008  karynnj   Nov-27-05 01:01 PM   #95 
  - I think there were several reasons people saw him as electable.  Sparkly   Nov-27-05 10:47 AM   #62 
  - Gephardt served...  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 11:16 AM   #66 
     - Right, but...  Sparkly   Nov-27-05 11:21 AM   #68 
        - Gotcha.  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 11:22 AM   #69 
  - Are you in some kind of time warp? You just came up with this  HopeLives   Nov-27-05 11:12 AM   #63 
  - Where to start....?  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 11:17 AM   #67 
     - You did not provide, nor do you have any evidence that  HopeLives   Nov-27-05 06:01 PM   #136 
  - The GOP, the corporations and their pet media chose him for us.  leesa   Nov-27-05 11:16 AM   #65 
  - All those people, who looked like regular Iowa and NH  karynnj   Nov-27-05 01:04 PM   #97 
  - Kerry and Edwards came in 4th and 5th place in this DU poll from 04  skipos   Nov-27-05 11:40 AM   #74 
  - I agree... Maybe I phrased my question wrong.  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 11:44 AM   #75 
     - Only because you are being so emphatic I will disagree  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-27-05 12:05 PM   #84 
  - If I had thought Kerry was the most electable I would have supported him..  Kahuna   Nov-27-05 11:48 AM   #76 
  - I might get some flames from some Kerry supporters for this  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-27-05 11:52 AM   #80 
  - He wasn't. He was selected as the most likely candidate to  ladjf   Nov-27-05 12:06 PM   #85 
  - Except Kerry weighed in against corporate media first, so where does that  blm   Nov-27-05 01:21 PM   #101 
  - He was far from my 1st choice. I worked hard for him nonetheless  MyPetRock   Nov-27-05 12:07 PM   #86 
  - He won the primaries....  MrBenchley   Nov-27-05 01:03 PM   #96 
  - Ill tell YOU what...  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 01:26 PM   #103 
     - I don't see a lot of incentive  MrBenchley   Nov-27-05 01:52 PM   #106 
  - Thanks for playing into the hands of Bush and the GOP  politicasista   Nov-27-05 01:25 PM   #102 
  - Thanks for the insightful comment.  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 01:28 PM   #105 
  - That is a way for some to justify the fact that he beat other candidates  Mass   Nov-27-05 02:54 PM   #111 
  - Oh, I know what Im talking about.  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 02:57 PM   #114 
     - You just proved you dont know how the Senate works  Mass   Nov-27-05 03:01 PM   #117 
        - Since your using the senate process as a scapegoat to defend  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 03:31 PM   #119 
           - I posted what he did in my post.  Mass   Nov-27-05 03:32 PM   #120 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-05 04:02 PM   #122 
           - No need to get insulting. We are all on the same team here. nt  skipos   Nov-27-05 04:34 PM   #125 
           - Are we? I may be missing something.  Mass   Nov-27-05 04:37 PM   #127 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-05 05:04 PM   #129 
              - Simmer...simmer down.  Dances with Cats   Nov-27-05 05:34 PM   #132 
              - I guess the same person  skipos   Nov-27-05 06:29 PM   #139 
                 - Strangely, I dont think somebody who says my junior senator  Mass   Nov-27-05 06:59 PM   #145 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-05 06:14 PM   #137 
           - Well, SCHIP is pretty major.  MH1   Nov-27-05 07:13 PM   #147 
           - Microloan program. Women's business centers.  MH1   Nov-27-05 07:18 PM   #148 
           - The OP doesn't think tracking of terror funding was an important bill  blm   Nov-28-05 02:08 PM   #178 
           - Lifted trade embargo with Vietnam and normalized relations.  MH1   Nov-27-05 07:21 PM   #150 
           - But with regards to this, shouldn't the Dean supporters, see the value  karynnj   Nov-28-05 03:06 PM   #186 
           - Your mistake is that you confuse NAMING bills with AUTHORING bills.  blm   Nov-28-05 07:55 PM   #205 
  - Kerry was elected in the primary by the media, not the people.  dfgrbac   Nov-27-05 02:54 PM   #112 
  - LOL, This is so false that I have to read.  Mass   Nov-27-05 02:57 PM   #113 
  - I thought Hillary was the front runner?  ProSense   Nov-27-05 02:58 PM   #115 
  - Actually no - unless you aren't calling the caucus votes, votes  karynnj   Nov-28-05 03:09 PM   #188 
     - You're right. I didn't include the caucus votes.  dfgrbac   Nov-28-05 05:05 PM   #197 
  - Electability is nonsense.  ContraBass Black   Nov-27-05 04:23 PM   #123 
  - It depends on who "we" is.  skipos   Nov-27-05 04:33 PM   #124 
  - With a REAL media and secure voting machines ANY Dem is electable.  blm   Nov-27-05 06:00 PM   #135 
     - Tell that to Dukakis, Mondale, McGovern,  skipos   Nov-27-05 06:36 PM   #141 
        - I'm referring specifically to current GOP offerings. If media told the  blm   Nov-28-05 09:49 AM   #175 
           - We have to get dems elected with the media we have, not the media we want.  skipos   Nov-28-05 06:01 PM   #199 
              - The takeover of the media was a deliberate move by the RW machine.  blm   Nov-28-05 07:59 PM   #206 
  - Look at who owns the Media Industrial Complex and there's your answer.  shance   Nov-27-05 04:35 PM   #126 
  - Iowa caucuses  Dances with Cats   Nov-27-05 05:26 PM   #131 
  - Kerry was the most electable of those who ran.  Neil Lisst   Nov-27-05 05:42 PM   #133 
  - I respect your opinion, however, I disagree that the other candidates  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 06:22 PM   #138 
     - I agree with you...  Dances with Cats   Nov-27-05 06:30 PM   #140 
     - You aren't asking me but  skipos   Nov-27-05 07:00 PM   #146 
        - Thanks!  Dances with Cats   Nov-27-05 07:19 PM   #149 
     - Clark was too new to the party at the time, Edwards might have  Neil Lisst   Nov-27-05 06:40 PM   #142 
     - I have to disagree with that. I have always been very disappointed by  Mass   Nov-27-05 06:48 PM   #144 
     - Funny, when Walter Shapiro followed the Dem candidates for a year he  blm   Nov-28-05 02:14 PM   #179 
  - HE WASN'T  UDenver20   Nov-27-05 06:41 PM   #143 
  - Don't forget Dean  YoungDemocrat   Nov-27-05 09:55 PM   #155 
  - Your taking shots at Kerry to promote your guy.  wisteria   Nov-27-05 10:15 PM   #157 
  - Not true. See post # 6.  nickshepDEM   Nov-27-05 10:22 PM   #158 
     - I stand by my remarks, I think as I stated before that Kerry was  wisteria   Nov-27-05 10:49 PM   #163 
  - It was ABB - Anybody But Bunkerboy and they thought his veteran pedegree  TankLV   Nov-27-05 11:40 PM   #165 
  - Nobody knows what "electable' means.  Lexingtonian   Nov-28-05 12:30 AM   #167 
  - Sorely lacking here at DU is reality-based analysis - Grazie Lexingtonian.  blm   Nov-28-05 09:41 AM   #174 
  - The election was stolen  ProSense   Nov-28-05 08:51 AM   #171 
  - Are you trying to tell us that Warner is electable? Too bad, I dont go  Mass   Nov-28-05 08:56 AM   #172 
  - Dean was the most electable  enough already   Nov-28-05 02:34 PM   #183 
  - I agree fully with you. They did what they could to kill Kerry.  Mass   Nov-28-05 03:07 PM   #187 
  - You're right, he never was.  emcguffie   Nov-28-05 06:08 PM   #200 
  - Kerry's Senate record mediocre?  frogmarch   Nov-28-05 06:44 PM   #202 
  - And everyday  ProSense   Nov-28-05 08:40 PM   #207 
  - Kerry has superior leadership qualities and a stellar Senate record.  wisteria   Nov-28-05 10:35 PM   #208 
  - Yes, damn right Kerry was a good candidate and he just about made it so.  second edition   Nov-29-05 09:18 AM   #209 
 

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