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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:18 AM
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13. That describes my feelings
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 10:38 AM by Tom Rinaldo
I know enough about Clark that I am quite comfortable with hoping he is the Democratic nominee, and at this point Clark would have to take some very new and different positions on issues that are important to me to make me reconsider my support for him. Something I feel is very unlikely, but who knows? It is early.

I will look closer at Warner for a couple of reasons. One is the simple truth that you can't always get what you want, so it makes sense to have a back up plan just in case. The other is that I want a strong ticket in 2008, and even if I remain convinced that Warner doesn't have broad enough experience to be President now, he might still make a great pick for VP.

None of us have much to go on regarding how well Warner will play outside of his home turf of Virginia after the buzz is gone, so kicking back and paying attention to his progress makes some sense. And I want to see what issues Warner choses to emphasize on a National stage rather than a Virginia stage. I am not happy that Warner is a DLC member but I understand that he was a Virginia Democrat when it wasn't easy to be a Virginia Democrat, so I will keep an open mind around that.

So bottom line, I agree with Crunchy Frog. If a choice isn't clear to you yet, there is still time to track both men and decide later. For all I know Clark may not run in 2008 (though I believe he will) and I could end up supporting Warner despite some misgivings that I have about him.

In general I think we are at a stage now where it makes sense for internet activists to raise general issues about potential 2008 candidates, general concerns about them perhaps, and certainly bring up their strong points also, so that we all can start paying attention to what matters. But I am trying hard to avoid flame fests and threads that go on and on tearing any of these Democrats apart. I may be wearing their T shirt come 2008, and before then there is work to be done for 2006. It is best to hold off on starting fires on bridges, we all still need them.
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  -I like Clark AND Warner! How can I choose? wyldwolf  Nov-13-05 09:49 AM   #0 
  - premature talk about the nomination coming down to Clark vs.Warner?  pstans   Nov-13-05 09:51 AM   #1 
  - Can't choose? Go Nader.  henslee   Nov-13-05 09:52 AM   #2 
  - yeah! GO NADER!  wyldwolf   Nov-13-05 09:56 AM   #3 
     - Took the words right out of my mouth....n/t  MADem   Nov-13-05 10:06 AM   #8 
     - Come on... ...  henslee   Nov-13-05 03:46 PM   #51 
  - No need to choose right away.  Crunchy Frog   Nov-13-05 09:56 AM   #4 
  - That describes my feelings  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-13-05 10:18 AM   #13 
  - Cool off -- It's 2005  Armstead   Nov-13-05 09:56 AM   #5 
  - I'd be happy and confident with either one,.  Kahuna   Nov-13-05 09:58 AM   #6 
  - Seriously?  tallahasseedem   Nov-13-05 09:58 AM   #7 
  - Well here in the real world  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 10:06 AM   #9 
  - In the most recent Dem presidential poll, Clark ranks higher than Warner..  wyldwolf   Nov-13-05 10:09 AM   #10 
  - Easy to beat someone not on the list  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 10:52 AM   #19 
     - This is all silly  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-13-05 11:07 AM   #21 
     - Read again Tom  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 11:34 AM   #33 
        - OK. Correction duly noted. n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-13-05 11:35 AM   #34 
     - perhaps. But Warner was on a the previous list with Clark and..  wyldwolf   Nov-13-05 11:09 AM   #22 
  - "Must say the only place I ever hear mention of Clark is here."  Clark2008   Nov-13-05 10:32 AM   #15 
  - I get input from 14 counties regularly  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 10:50 AM   #18 
     - And of course you're a TOTALLY disinterested observer  LandOLincoln   Nov-13-05 11:10 AM   #23 
     - For 08 I actually am  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 11:30 AM   #29 
     - yeah, Julie. we know you work politics full time  wyldwolf   Nov-13-05 11:12 AM   #24 
     - Is that the poll that Warner isn't in?  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 11:22 AM   #25 
        - no, it's the poll BOTH Clark and Warner are in  wyldwolf   Nov-13-05 11:25 AM   #26 
        - Agreed. Bottom Line. The focus should stay on 2006.  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-13-05 11:25 AM   #27 
        - Clark ran for president in 2004. I would hope he does better than  nickshepDEM   Nov-13-05 11:25 AM   #28 
           - This all got set off by a comment above about "the real world"  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-13-05 11:32 AM   #31 
              - No, wrong again  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 11:35 AM   #35 
              - Awwwwww  LandOLincoln   Nov-13-05 11:58 AM   #37 
              - You misunderstand  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 01:12 PM   #43 
                 - Not at all. I understood perfectly, and you know it.  LandOLincoln   Nov-13-05 01:54 PM   #44 
              - Julie my post here was written before the one above accepting your words  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-13-05 12:02 PM   #38 
              - It's all good  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 01:09 PM   #42 
              - So, when Clark supporters defend Clark on here, it's "swarm action".  Crunchy Frog   Nov-13-05 02:38 PM   #47 
                 - It didn't surprise me to find Clark supporters on a Clark related thread  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-13-05 02:43 PM   #48 
                 - "Defend"? From a non-biased observation? Yikes!  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 08:26 PM   #53 
              - Ahh, gotcha. Yeah, In the real world all I hear about is Hillary  nickshepDEM   Nov-13-05 11:37 AM   #36 
     - I knew you would spout that bullshit, which is why I posted it.  Clark2008   Nov-13-05 12:03 PM   #39 
     - Actually the people in my district  JNelson6563   Nov-13-05 08:24 PM   #52 
     - You must live in a blue state ...  Texas_Kat   Nov-13-05 12:09 PM   #40 
        - Thanks for backing me up,  Clark2008   Nov-13-05 12:29 PM   #41 
           - Absolutely  Texas_Kat   Nov-13-05 03:05 PM   #49 
  - Leave it Julie to throw gasoline and a match  Crunchy Frog   Nov-13-05 02:21 PM   #46 
     - Well,  CarolNYC   Nov-13-05 11:04 PM   #55 
        - It's love  WesDem   Nov-14-05 07:05 AM   #57 
  - Just keep an open mind and wait.  nickshepDEM   Nov-13-05 10:10 AM   #11 
  - Clearly a Clark fan. Just watched Warner and no warm fuzzies  Pithy Cherub   Nov-13-05 10:17 AM   #12 
  - I like Clark AND Warner (either is much more electable than Hillary) but  skipos   Nov-13-05 10:30 AM   #14 
  - Clark would pick up Arkansas easily  incapsulated   Nov-13-05 10:33 AM   #16 
  - Why do you have to choose?  longship   Nov-13-05 10:50 AM   #17 
  - Wait and see, is my advice....  Totally Committed   Nov-13-05 10:59 AM   #20 
  - What is the Democrat's greatest preceived weakness?  Donna Zen   Nov-13-05 11:31 AM   #30 
  - maybe they'll team up (eventually)  npincus   Nov-13-05 11:33 AM   #32 
  - There are far more productive ways to spend your time at this point.  Clarkie1   Nov-13-05 01:58 PM   #45 
  - A proven leader versus a DLC politician. The choice doesn't  Skwmom   Nov-13-05 03:28 PM   #50 
  - Hey, wyldwolf!  WesDem   Nov-13-05 08:44 PM   #54 
  - Choose Edwards  PurityOfEssence   Nov-13-05 11:07 PM   #56 
  - Doesn't matter  thinkingwoman   Nov-14-05 07:11 AM   #58 
  - About Clark and Warner  WesDem   Nov-14-05 07:22 AM   #59 
 

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