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Thu Jan-29-04 01:16 PM
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| 13. Need to correct you, there: |
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Adlai Stevenson, the Dem nominee in 1952 and 1956 was NOT a Senator. He was the Governor of Illinois in 1952.
It was his son, Adlai III, who served as a US Senator from Illinois later on.
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| -When was the last time an insider defeated an incumbent president? |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:04 PM |
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Clinton, in 1992 |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 01:05 PM |
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Nope, not an insider |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:06 PM |
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He was the former chairman of the DLC |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-29-04 01:12 PM |
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Insiders are inside the beltway |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:13 PM |
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Whatever you say, Walt |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 01:18 PM |
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I'm just going off the definition of "insider" from the Lessig blog |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:25 PM |
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By that definition, Kucinich is an "insider" |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-29-04 01:36 PM |
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Yep, he sure is |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:40 PM |
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And Bush* is an outsider |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 01:43 PM |
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*WAS* an outsider |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:50 PM |
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"a sitting Congressman or Senator" - Your words |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:00 PM |
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How the heck does a sitting president defeat an incumbent president? |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:18 PM |
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"a sitting Congressman or Senator" - Your words |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:20 PM |
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Sangh0, really, this has absolutely nothing to do with the question |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:26 PM |
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Yes it does |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:27 PM |
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You will see that this was for the purposes of the discussion in the |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:33 PM |
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A definition that only works in such a limited conditions is not valid |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:35 PM |
#82 |
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Then answer the question, sangh0 |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:38 PM |
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Why should I? |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:42 PM |
#85 |
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The point is very blunt and extremely valid, Sangh0 |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:46 PM |
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The point is ridiculous |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:55 PM |
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BUSH WAS AN OUTSIDER |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 03:00 PM |
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Bush* was a BFEE/PNAC/KenLay/PatRobertson/Delay/Lott |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 03:02 PM |
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Yeah, but you're convincing me maybe I should |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 03:03 PM |
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Wait a minute. You're going to vote against Kerry in the general election |
library_max |
Jan-29-04 04:44 PM |
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DLC chair in 1992 was as inside as it got, imho. |
mb7588a |
Jan-29-04 01:19 PM |
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Read the beginning post |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:26 PM |
#27 |
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Show me an instance where a former Governor of a small state |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-29-04 01:39 PM |
#49 |
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Bill Clinton, 1992 |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:41 PM |
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He was a current Governor, not a former Governor |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-29-04 01:56 PM |
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Actually, for the purposes of this question, |
leyton |
Jan-29-04 04:54 PM |
#123 |
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you think poopy was not an insider? |
bearfartinthewoods |
Jan-29-04 01:25 PM |
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Who is "poopy"? |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:29 PM |
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Poppy Bush - GHW Bush |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 01:44 PM |
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sorry typo....poopy/poppy....works for me.....GHWbush |
bearfartinthewoods |
Jan-29-04 03:02 PM |
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Poppy never ran against an incumbent |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 04:17 PM |
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A few points: |
jsw_81 |
Jan-29-04 01:37 PM |
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Governors not Washington insiders. A joke, right? |
John_H |
Jan-29-04 01:31 PM |
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Definition of insider from the Lessig blog |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:33 PM |
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No. And I couldn't name a sitting Governor to beat an incumbent |
John_H |
Jan-29-04 01:47 PM |
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A General would stand a chance, absolutely! |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:51 PM |
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Carter? Don't think so. Maybe. Can we call Ford an incumbent? Seriously, |
John_H |
Jan-29-04 01:56 PM |
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ABSOLUTELY!!!! |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:58 PM |
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Oh, I get it. YOU define what an "insider" is... |
wyldwolf |
Jan-29-04 04:11 PM |
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Not me |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 04:16 PM |
#107 |
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Clinton was a governor, not an establishment insider |
Capn Sunshine |
Jan-29-04 01:06 PM |
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Hell, I'll even accept an inside the beltway 2 year pol |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:07 PM |
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Yep. And I'll bet Clinton's rooting for Kerry too. |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jan-29-04 01:38 PM |
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add " 21st century Bob Dole" |
Capn Sunshine |
Jan-29-04 01:05 PM |
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Hehehe... |
robsul82 |
Jan-29-04 01:07 PM |
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If Kerry defeats Bush, it would indeed be historical |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:11 PM |
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? |
codegreen |
Jan-29-04 01:10 PM |
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It's NEVER happened |
Hoosier Democrat |
Jan-29-04 01:11 PM |
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Add to that the fact that JFK, a sitting Senator |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:12 PM |
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Need to correct you, there: |
Hoosier Democrat |
Jan-29-04 01:16 PM |
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Ahhhh, thanks |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:18 PM |
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Yes, Stevenson was "an outsider" in the same sense as Clinton |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-29-04 01:19 PM |
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You forgot Carter |
jobycom |
Jan-29-04 01:24 PM |
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Who cares? |
IowaBiker |
Jan-29-04 03:10 PM |
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The insider/outsider issue is directly linked to the "electable" issue |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 03:13 PM |
#99 |
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39% of them in two states, anyway. |
PAMod |
Jan-29-04 04:32 PM |
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Even smaller percentage than that |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 04:35 PM |
#115 |
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Name me on candidate named Bush who has ever won reelection? |
jobycom |
Jan-29-04 01:18 PM |
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All I'm asking for is the name of a single |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:31 PM |
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So is your question |
jobycom |
Jan-29-04 01:53 PM |
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Here's one |
jsw_81 |
Jan-29-04 01:20 PM |
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Harrison was not a sitting Senator |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:23 PM |
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He had been a senator only a few months before |
jsw_81 |
Jan-29-04 01:39 PM |
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Bush is the sitting president of the United States |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:29 PM |
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No, Bush is the lying president of the United States. |
library_max |
Jan-29-04 04:16 PM |
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ROFLMAO! |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 04:18 PM |
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Every 40+ years, a Senator is elected president. Did you know that? |
blm |
Jan-29-04 01:21 PM |
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Only Two Sitting Senators Have EVER Been Elected President. |
JaneQPublic |
Jan-29-04 01:40 PM |
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And neither ran against an incumbent |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:42 PM |
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Both presidents from Vermont were miserable failures |
jsw_81 |
Jan-29-04 01:46 PM |
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would you care to name the presidents who were from Vermont? |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:49 PM |
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Arthur and Coolidge |
jsw_81 |
Jan-29-04 02:03 PM |
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LOL! |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:16 PM |
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Laugh away, under his criteria Dean is a New Yorker |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:25 PM |
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Ahhhhhh, then under your criteria, Howard Dean is a New Yorker. |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:24 PM |
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And how many NY outsiders have won the Presidency |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:26 PM |
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Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the last to have that honor |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:28 PM |
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FDR was NOT an outsider |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:43 PM |
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FDR WAS an outsider |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:52 PM |
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Assistant Secretary of the Navy |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 02:56 PM |
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Did he hold that office when he ran? |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 03:02 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-29-04 03:15 PM |
#100 |
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No, I'm not |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 04:00 PM |
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Name one DU insider (besides yourself) |
sangh0 |
Jan-29-04 04:19 PM |
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There are three DU insiders |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 04:41 PM |
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Way to dodge the question. /nt |
library_max |
Jan-29-04 04:47 PM |
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Both of them died in office. /nt |
library_max |
Jan-29-04 04:25 PM |
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Just proves Dean - a Governor not an insider - could win the election and |
auntpattywatty |
Jan-29-04 01:22 PM |
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Oh yeah, name the last time an unemployed doctor beat an incumbent |
jobycom |
Jan-29-04 01:26 PM |
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Name outsiders who had served as governors to defeat an incumbent |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:32 PM |
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See my post #44 |
jsw_81 |
Jan-29-04 02:21 PM |
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You are correct about outsiders losing to incumbents |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:30 PM |
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Bad examples |
DemPopulist |
Jan-29-04 01:26 PM |
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You are correct about Stevenson |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:35 PM |
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Depends on definition of insider. |
TexasSissy |
Jan-29-04 01:26 PM |
#28 |
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Read the initial post |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:35 PM |
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Who was the last outsider to win the Presidency? Washington. |
John_H |
Jan-29-04 01:27 PM |
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Read the initial post |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:37 PM |
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That was then. this is now. |
bigtree |
Jan-29-04 01:27 PM |
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In 1960, the pundits asked this: |
leyton |
Jan-29-04 02:40 PM |
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So? |
Toby109 |
Jan-29-04 01:29 PM |
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1800: Vice President Thomas Jefferson |
NoPasaran |
Jan-29-04 01:31 PM |
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Not a sitting Congressman or Senator |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:39 PM |
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Actually, Jefferson *was* a Senator. |
leyton |
Jan-29-04 05:20 PM |
#126 |
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Here's a serious answer as to why that doesn't matter |
jobycom |
Jan-29-04 01:33 PM |
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Here's a serious rebuttal as to why this matters greatly |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 01:45 PM |
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That's weird, you just restated the argument I argued against |
jobycom |
Jan-30-04 11:31 AM |
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Why don't you retitle the thread, then? |
leyton |
Jan-29-04 02:15 PM |
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Edwards is not an "insider" in the same way Kerry is... |
rumguy |
Jan-29-04 02:29 PM |
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Closest probably Kennedy over Nixon |
SaveElmer |
Jan-29-04 02:45 PM |
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Nixon was not the incumbent president |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 02:54 PM |
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Which I did mention in my post dude...gotta read the whole thing |
SaveElmer |
Jan-29-04 03:18 PM |
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I did, I was giving you a |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 03:57 PM |
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When is the last time a candidate whose last name began with "D" |
library_max |
Jan-29-04 03:45 PM |
#102 |
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Strawman |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 03:58 PM |
#104 |
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But that's your opinion and your opinion only. |
library_max |
Jan-29-04 04:22 PM |
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My opinion in this case is uspported with historical precedent |
Walt Starr |
Jan-29-04 04:40 PM |
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So is mine. |
library_max |
Jan-29-04 04:50 PM |
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Remember... |
rpf113 |
Jan-29-04 04:47 PM |
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The ONLY sitting congressman or senator |
Adjoran |
Jan-29-04 04:51 PM |
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Wrong |
jsw_81 |
Jan-29-04 05:11 PM |
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By the way, there is a mistake in your sig. |
leyton |
Jan-29-04 04:57 PM |
#124 |
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I think your definition of "insider" does not hold. |
leyton |
Jan-29-04 05:29 PM |
#127 |
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