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170. Great post YR
I agree. I never liked the IWR but I understand why someone may have voted for it. It's kind of like playing Jeopardy at home. I can get all the answers then, but I imagine I'd not be able to perform under all the pressure. We can't understand what a politician has to do on a daily basis. The decisions are difficult. And sometimes they make the wrong ones. But that doesn't mean we can't move on.
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  -For those who stand by the IWR litmus test + won't vote "pro-war" can youngred  Jan-29-04 12:25 PM   #0 
  - I don't think many DUers are capable of imagining what they thought  sangh0   Jan-29-04 12:28 PM   #1 
  - Actually, I was basing my opposition on what I was reading  deutsey   Jan-29-04 12:33 PM   #7 
  - response  sangh0   Jan-29-04 12:35 PM   #11 
  - What does the "picture of Rumsfeld" have to do with it?  David__77   Jan-29-04 12:37 PM   #21 
     - The picture was used  sangh0   Jan-29-04 12:40 PM   #26 
        - Actually, tht was not the argument  Walt Starr   Jan-29-04 12:44 PM   #36 
           - having been an avid DU reader  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:46 PM   #39 
           - Come on, it was even in Pitt's book!  Walt Starr   Jan-29-04 12:47 PM   #42 
              - well i didn't read Pitt's book  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:48 PM   #44 
                 - I read it religiously as a member  Walt Starr   Jan-29-04 12:49 PM   #46 
                    - well do you have a link for that assertion  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:54 PM   #58 
                       - I remember that argument, but it's fallacious  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:09 PM   #82 
                       - Since I have never been able to find DU1  Walt Starr   Jan-29-04 01:09 PM   #83 
           - Anthrax has no shelf life  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:07 PM   #78 
  - No threat is different than no weapons  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:36 PM   #16 
     - And at the time, many Duers said  sangh0   Jan-29-04 12:41 PM   #27 
        - I freely admit to being one  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:45 PM   #37 
  - Oversimplification  redqueen   Jan-29-04 12:35 PM   #10 
  - Yes and no  sangh0   Jan-29-04 12:37 PM   #18 
  - Wrong again  redqueen   Jan-29-04 12:37 PM   #22 
  - That's just bizarre  sangh0   Jan-29-04 12:42 PM   #30 
     - Powell is not a credible source?  redqueen   Jan-29-04 12:47 PM   #41 
        - No, Powell is not a credible source  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:10 PM   #84 
           - LOL  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:12 PM   #90 
              - I am saying that Powell is a liar  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:20 PM   #102 
                 - I did ask n/t  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:20 PM   #105 
                    - I'll be clearer then  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:30 PM   #119 
  - The inspectors would never, ever determine "no weapons."  David__77   Jan-29-04 12:56 PM   #60 
     - No kidding - simple logic  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:00 PM   #68 
     - You can't prove a negative  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:00 PM   #69 
     - What?!!!  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:05 PM   #75 
        - I didn't say they were convincing or right  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:07 PM   #79 
           - Ridiculous!!!!  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:15 PM   #95 
              - So Kay is a Bush apologist?  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:20 PM   #103 
                 - YES he's a bush apologist!  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:23 PM   #111 
                    - No, its not common knowledge  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:27 PM   #117 
                       - It should be!  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:37 PM   #126 
                          - is/was whatever  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:39 PM   #129 
                             - You're pretty flippant  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:45 PM   #134 
                                - Excuse me?  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:23 PM   #169 
                                   - Yes, flippant  redqueen   Jan-29-04 03:39 PM   #173 
                                      - That was aimed at you  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:43 PM   #177 
                                         - Not good enough  redqueen   Jan-29-04 03:47 PM   #181 
     - The inspectors would never, ever determine "no weapons"  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:11 PM   #88 
        - This is absurd  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:16 PM   #97 
           - No hairsplitting  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:21 PM   #107 
           - You response was absurd  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:21 PM   #109 
              - Fine  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:24 PM   #113 
                 - That's is all I am doing  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:32 PM   #121 
  - Good point  deutsey   Jan-29-04 12:52 PM   #54 
  - I think that you're mostly wrong...  David__77   Jan-29-04 12:35 PM   #12 
  - The UN inspectors did NOT destroy all of Iraqs WMD's  sangh0   Jan-29-04 12:39 PM   #24 
     - What eactly are you trying to argue..  girl gone mad   Jan-29-04 12:50 PM   #48 
     - That's not what I'm arguing  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:14 PM   #93 
     - What reports?  David__77   Jan-29-04 12:51 PM   #50 
        - The reports from the IAEA  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:15 PM   #96 
           - The atomic agency?  David__77   Jan-29-04 01:57 PM   #138 
              - Wrong question  sangh0   Jan-29-04 02:07 PM   #143 
  - there is no contradiction  goodhue   Jan-29-04 12:51 PM   #52 
  - How did you know that?  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:23 PM   #110 
  - Not all. Some were pretty clear that Saddam had no WMDs  Tinoire   Jan-29-04 01:11 PM   #89 
     - My memory is similar to yours  sangh0   Jan-29-04 01:16 PM   #98 
  - Some of us WERE in that place on that day  SaddenedDem   Jan-29-04 12:30 PM   #2 
  - Why are veterans supporting Kerry more than Clark?  thedudeingeorgia   Jan-29-04 12:35 PM   #13 
  - You think it is bad to have protested the Vietnam War?  Feanorcurufinwe   Jan-29-04 12:49 PM   #45 
  - Was this intended for a different thread?  iowapeacechief   Jan-29-04 12:54 PM   #57 
  - Good luck with that message..  girl gone mad   Jan-29-04 12:58 PM   #66 
  - As someone who was old enough to march against the Vietnam war  edzontar   Jan-30-04 11:28 AM   #204 
  - Hear hear  deutsey   Jan-29-04 12:36 PM   #15 
  - Sorry, but I was there too  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:38 PM   #23 
  - So Zell Miller's....  SaddenedDem   Jan-29-04 12:42 PM   #28 
  - I'm not talking about Zell Miller  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:44 PM   #33 
  - They couldn't?  redqueen   Jan-29-04 12:54 PM   #56 
  - avoid the vote  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:56 PM   #61 
     - No one asked them to avoid the vote altogether  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:02 PM   #72 
        - way to miss the point  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:08 PM   #81 
           - No, the point is  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:20 PM   #101 
              - and we advance to the nonsensicle  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:23 PM   #112 
  - You are mistaken.  girl gone mad   Jan-29-04 01:01 PM   #70 
     - I didn't say overwhelmingly  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:05 PM   #76 
        - It wasn't a hard choice.  girl gone mad   Jan-29-04 01:21 PM   #108 
           - who is the "he" you're referring to  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:31 PM   #120 
  - Exactly!  girl gone mad   Jan-29-04 12:55 PM   #59 
     - well ignoring thie constituents would have gotten them voted out  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:10 PM   #85 
        - Whose constituents?  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:29 PM   #118 
           - All of them  sangh0   Jan-29-04 02:14 PM   #148 
              - Wrong  redqueen   Jan-29-04 02:24 PM   #150 
                 - "The polls are not constituents."????  sangh0   Jan-29-04 02:30 PM   #153 
                    - LOL  redqueen   Jan-29-04 02:46 PM   #158 
                       - Then how do you know anyone's constituents were against IWR?  sangh0   Jan-29-04 03:08 PM   #160 
                          - Because they said so  redqueen   Jan-29-04 03:10 PM   #162 
                             - You asked all of the constituents??  sangh0   Jan-29-04 03:21 PM   #168 
                                - Perhaps I wasn't clear enough  redqueen   Jan-29-04 03:41 PM   #176 
                                   - You were clear. You were also wrong  sangh0   Jan-29-04 03:55 PM   #185 
                                      - You don't think they were differentiating?  redqueen   Jan-29-04 04:01 PM   #189 
                                         - The only differentiation needed  sangh0   Jan-29-04 04:09 PM   #193 
  - They should be for DK or Sharpton  Uzybone   Jan-29-04 12:32 PM   #3 
  - No.  girl gone mad   Jan-29-04 01:04 PM   #74 
  - I look most at world view  mmonk   Jan-29-04 12:32 PM   #4 
  - but are they still making that claim?  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:40 PM   #25 
     - I believe  mmonk   Jan-29-04 12:43 PM   #31 
        - one says its necessary  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:46 PM   #40 
           - Which one says it wasn't necessary?  mmonk   Jan-29-04 12:57 PM   #64 
              - Kerry I believe  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:02 PM   #71 
  - 23 Democrats  dsc   Jan-29-04 12:33 PM   #5 
  - I'm afraid you're right  ibegurpard   Jan-29-04 12:34 PM   #9 
  - Wellstone is different  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:42 PM   #29 
  - He was up for reelction  dsc   Jan-29-04 12:44 PM   #35 
     - ok....  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:48 PM   #43 
     - Wellstone DID have an opponent  SaddenedDem   Jan-29-04 12:51 PM   #51 
        - You said it. n/t  girl gone mad   Jan-29-04 01:06 PM   #77 
  - You are just plain wrong  Feanorcurufinwe   Jan-29-04 12:44 PM   #34 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-29-04 12:45 PM   # 
  - Oh, really? And, what were his motives?  bandera   Jan-29-04 02:26 PM   #151 
     - If you want to know, open your heart, and your mind  Feanorcurufinwe   Jan-29-04 03:33 PM   #172 
        - 'If he fails to do so, I will be the first to speak out."  bandera   Jan-29-04 03:53 PM   #184 
           - Kerry spoke out  sangh0   Jan-29-04 03:56 PM   #186 
           - Same here  redqueen   Jan-29-04 03:59 PM   #188 
  - Kerry Had No Excuse  dreissig   Jan-29-04 02:33 PM   #155 
  - Screw that.  redqueen   Jan-29-04 12:33 PM   #6 
  - screw us then  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:51 PM   #49 
     - More bull$#*@ SPIN  redqueen   Jan-29-04 12:58 PM   #65 
        - No one said you had to do it happily  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:14 PM   #94 
           - Stop rubbing our noses in the mess these cowards left  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:42 PM   #132 
              - It is not a lie  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:15 PM   #164 
  - Having political courage can  Ninga   Jan-29-04 12:33 PM   #8 
  - It seems to have backfired for Kerry.  Feanorcurufinwe   Jan-29-04 01:08 PM   #80 
  - The public NEVER favored the war  CWebster   Jan-29-04 12:36 PM   #14 
  - "The public NEVER favored the war"  redqueen   Jan-29-04 03:43 PM   #178 
  - I want someone with the courage of his convictions,  kaitykaity   Jan-29-04 12:37 PM   #17 
  - This IS NOT Finger in the wind political analysis  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:54 PM   #55 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-29-04 01:10 PM   #86 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-29-04 01:18 PM   #99 
     - I think you're backing the wrong candidate.  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:10 PM   #87 
     - I have been backing the right candidate  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:18 PM   #165 
        - I'm not trying to paint you as pro-war  redqueen   Jan-29-04 03:53 PM   #183 
           - You are completely misunderstand what I'm saying  youngred   Jan-30-04 11:11 AM   #202 
     - You're assuming too much I think.  kaitykaity   Jan-29-04 01:13 PM   #91 
  - Very even-handed analysis (nt)  jpgray   Jan-29-04 12:37 PM   #19 
  - I used to have that IWR litmus test about Kerry and co.  evil_orange_cat   Jan-29-04 12:37 PM   #20 
  - My feelings at the time  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-29-04 12:43 PM   #32 
  - Which leads to the question  CWebster   Jan-29-04 12:45 PM   #38 
  - Why do you think I'm supporting Kucinich?  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-29-04 12:49 PM   #47 
  - out of fear of losing to bush  redqueen   Jan-29-04 12:51 PM   #53 
     - High five you there. nt  CWebster   Jan-29-04 12:57 PM   #63 
     - Stick around..  girl gone mad   Jan-29-04 01:13 PM   #92 
     - I don't express "disgust" for soft-mindedness  IrateCitizen   Jan-29-04 01:26 PM   #114 
        - Thanks for sapping some of my anger  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:50 PM   #135 
           - but they didn't know FULL WELL  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:21 PM   #167 
              - That's your opinion  redqueen   Jan-29-04 04:03 PM   #190 
  - Thank you  youngred   Jan-29-04 12:59 PM   #67 
     - Everytime you excuse them  CWebster   Jan-29-04 01:03 PM   #73 
        - right  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:33 PM   #122 
        - Thank you  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:55 PM   #137 
  - I take the position that the War Powers Act gave Bush the authority  bigtree   Jan-29-04 12:56 PM   #62 
  - Betray the PEACE Movement?  Eloriel   Jan-29-04 01:19 PM   #100 
  - Great post. Thanks.  bandera   Jan-29-04 01:26 PM   #116 
  - Why behind Dean?  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:35 PM   #124 
  - Excellent post  redqueen   Jan-29-04 01:58 PM   #140 
  - Absolutely yes, I would have voted against.  Iverson   Jan-29-04 01:20 PM   #104 
  - FWIW  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:38 PM   #127 
     - That's a valid point to raise.  Iverson   Jan-29-04 01:41 PM   #130 
        - Irrational extremist?  redqueen   Jan-29-04 02:05 PM   #142 
           - "Values human life" or "Values some human lives"  sangh0   Jan-29-04 02:10 PM   #145 
           - Can't be separated  redqueen   Jan-29-04 02:12 PM   #147 
              - No, you present the false dichotomy  sangh0   Jan-29-04 02:32 PM   #154 
                 - incorrect  Iverson   Jan-29-04 02:41 PM   #157 
                 - incorrect  sangh0   Jan-29-04 03:09 PM   #161 
                    - incorrect again  Iverson   Jan-29-04 05:02 PM   #201 
                 - This is not about Dean, sangh0  redqueen   Jan-29-04 02:54 PM   #159 
                    - It's about life and death issues  sangh0   Jan-29-04 03:13 PM   #163 
                       - Yes, it is  redqueen   Jan-29-04 04:09 PM   #192 
                          - Be prepared for a lot of disappointment  sangh0   Jan-29-04 04:14 PM   #194 
                             - LOL - this is silly  redqueen   Jan-29-04 04:42 PM   #198 
           - you're right, no one should take it lightly  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:19 PM   #166 
  - 23 senators voted against the war.  bandera   Jan-29-04 01:21 PM   #106 
  - 2004, a year after the war  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:42 PM   #131 
     - What's your point?  bandera   Jan-29-04 01:54 PM   #136 
        - No, they came to a different conclusion than you and I  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:28 PM   #171 
           - You're right about Dean.  bandera   Jan-29-04 04:30 PM   #196 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-29-04 01:26 PM   #115 
  - So  bigtree   Jan-29-04 01:38 PM   #128 
  - Sorry Allen  youngred   Jan-29-04 01:44 PM   #133 
  - Sorry, but I can't buy your thesis  MadHound   Jan-29-04 01:33 PM   #123 
  - Well said  redqueen   Jan-29-04 02:08 PM   #144 
  - Bill Clinton said today that no one could tell whether all WMDs had  bigtree   Jan-29-04 02:15 PM   #149 
  - And I trust the 'big dog' about as much as I do Powell.  redqueen   Jan-29-04 02:26 PM   #152 
     - the resolution was designed to get Saddam to let inspectors back in  bigtree   Jan-29-04 03:51 PM   #182 
        - Everything you've said is factually correct  redqueen   Jan-29-04 04:37 PM   #197 
  - Fair enough  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:40 PM   #174 
     - Well, you caught me at work  MadHound   Jan-29-04 04:59 PM   #200 
  - If the conservative Democrat Byrd could have the courage to...  JVS   Jan-29-04 01:36 PM   #125 
  - Dean was more pro-war than Kerry. He was pro-Biden-Lugar  genius   Jan-29-04 01:58 PM   #139 
  - If you can't vote for anyone who supported the March to war, your only  genius   Jan-29-04 01:59 PM   #141 
     - Correct - Kucinich and Sharpton  redqueen   Jan-29-04 02:10 PM   #146 
  - Litmus Test  dreissig   Jan-29-04 02:38 PM   #156 
  - "No need for a lot of nuance"????  sangh0   Jan-29-04 03:41 PM   #175 
  - so its balck or white  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:45 PM   #179 
  - Great post YR  curse10   Jan-29-04 03:27 PM   #170 
  - Thank You my friend  youngred   Jan-29-04 03:47 PM   #180 
  - IWR is not Quite a Litmus Test for Me  ribofunk   Jan-29-04 03:56 PM   #187 
  - "For Democrats it was a time of fear."  IndianaGreen   Jan-29-04 04:07 PM   #191 
     - Unfortunately,  ribofunk   Jan-29-04 04:16 PM   #195 
     - HEAR HEAR!!!!  redqueen   Jan-29-04 04:44 PM   #199 
     - don't I wish  youngred   Jan-30-04 11:16 AM   #203 
 

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