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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:30 PM
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106. I wish I could be so optimistic
I really really want to believe that people will begin to tire of the slander and lies. I especially want to believe it as a Clarkie, because I know a "swiftboat" style attack will be launched at Wes Clark if he runs. I want to think that at least some significant portion of the voters will say to themselves, "Not THAT crap again."

But I know it would just be wishful thinking and my ONLY realistic hope lies in Clark's ability to slam back hard and fast, and define himself before the slander gets any traction. And if Clark doesn't run, or doesn't win the nomination, I hope whoever does will be just as capable.

Because people say they don't want to hear the sleaze, but they listen anyway. Or rather they listen just enough to hear the worst of it, or what gets repeated the most, and never look further to find out the facts.

I'm retired military. Lived with the military records system most of my adult life. I was totally amazed and a little bit horrified that so many people bought the swiftboater bullshit, when EVERY SINGLE BIT of Navy documentation showed that all the charges were lies.

How can people really think that the services just let people write their own citations, or accept falsified reports of combat actions? Oh, I'll grant that an occassional mistake gets thru. But a Silver Star, Bronze star and three Purple Hearts, all documented properly and all collaborated by eye-witness accounts of the combat? And all pertaining to a simple lieutenant with no relatives or friends planted within the Navy hierarchy, and who was himself too far physically removed from higher headquarters to have influenced the documentation process himself? It just doesn't make any logical sense at all.

Well, the answer is, people don't think at all. They just believe what they want to, are affected more by emotional tirades than documented facts, and figure where there's smoke there's fire. And the GOP is very very good at creating smoke.

Hillary Clinton is tough, that much I know. She can weather the attacks, but can she get out in front of them? Can she change the minds that are already made up, or at least influence the ones who have doubts deeply implanted by 15 years and many millions of dollars behind them? I'm just afraid, terrified actually, that it may already be too late.
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  -Senator Hillary Clinton or Gen Wes Clark - who would you chose? DanCa  Nov-07-05 07:37 PM   #0 
  - Other.  William769   Nov-07-05 07:39 PM   #1 
  - You'll notice that's why I used the proper title of each :D  DanCa   Nov-07-05 07:43 PM   #6 
  - In the last primary, I voted for Wesley Clark.  William769   Nov-07-05 07:46 PM   #10 
  - Hillary is pro war and openly against gay marriage  Jersey Ginny   Nov-07-05 08:23 PM   #29 
  - Would you care to give proof of your statement?  William769   Nov-08-05 08:25 AM   #72 
     - Well, she voted for the war  mycritters2   Nov-08-05 05:24 PM   #95 
  - I like both as well  Nightwing   Nov-08-05 06:13 AM   #61 
  - almost  LA lady   Nov-07-05 08:10 PM   #20 
     - Here.  William769   Nov-07-05 08:13 PM   #23 
     - LA Lady  larissa   Nov-07-05 08:53 PM   #42 
     - I think that "R" is for "Retired." nt  Sparkly   Nov-07-05 08:59 PM   #45 
        - Hopefully she knows that!  larissa   Nov-07-05 09:07 PM   #47 
        - Retired, sorry for confusion  LA lady   Nov-07-05 10:07 PM   #53 
     - Welcome to DU L.A. Lady.  DanCa   Nov-07-05 09:07 PM   #48 
     - Welcome to DU!  calimary   Nov-08-05 07:21 AM   #64 
  - This won't be very close.  Jim4Wes   Nov-07-05 07:39 PM   #2 
  - Clark Pres, Hil VP this time around  TallahasseeGrannie   Nov-07-05 07:39 PM   #3 
  - I like it--baby steps  librechik   Nov-07-05 07:50 PM   #13 
  - 2 from Arkansas??  Laura PackYourBags   Nov-07-05 08:10 PM   #21 
  - Actually, they're both from Illinois...  Clark2008   Nov-07-05 08:17 PM   #24 
     - you're right. I guess I just think of Hillary and Arkansas.  Laura PackYourBags   Nov-07-05 08:34 PM   #36 
        - How Wes ended up in Ark....  CarolNYC   Nov-07-05 09:38 PM   #50 
  - I could go for that ticket  SharonRB   Nov-08-05 06:34 PM   #103 
  - Too easy!  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 07:39 PM   #4 
  - Clark, in a heartbeat.  Arkana   Nov-07-05 07:41 PM   #5 
  - If my memory serves, he actually supported the war in the beginning  Pinko   Nov-08-05 09:34 AM   #76 
     - No he didn't.  Clark2008   Nov-08-05 09:47 AM   #77 
  - Clark/Obama, Clark/Sebilus  AX10   Nov-07-05 07:43 PM   #7 
  - Or maybe Clark/Napolitano  election_2004   Nov-08-05 10:21 PM   #107 
  - I Voted For Clark... HOWEVER... On A REAL Bal;loy  ChiciB1   Nov-07-05 07:44 PM   #8 
  - UUUHHHHH.... That Was Supposed To Be BALLOT!  ChiciB1   Nov-07-05 07:45 PM   #9 
  - LOL!  MrSlayer   Nov-07-05 07:48 PM   #11 
  - How's come the Hillary voters don't add comments?  larissa   Nov-07-05 07:49 PM   #12 
  - They are ashamed of themselves!  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 07:51 PM   #14 
  - LOL... C'mon Hillaryites... we won't hurt you!  larissa   Nov-07-05 07:52 PM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-05 07:54 PM   #16 
  - Excuse me?? Care to edit that remark just a bit?  CTyankee   Nov-07-05 08:10 PM   #19 
     - Are you familiar with Hillary's positions on the war, PATRIOT,  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 08:25 PM   #31 
        - Please let me know what they are  CTyankee   Nov-07-05 08:30 PM   #35 
           - Hillary = Bush on Iraq  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 08:35 PM   #37 
              - Green  wiley   Nov-08-05 01:16 AM   #59 
  - Sure they do.... (the ones who remind us that 2006 comes before 2008!)  FormerRushFan   Nov-08-05 09:26 AM   #75 
  - I would gladly cast my vote for Hillary.  Rockholm   Nov-07-05 07:55 PM   #17 
  - Hillary will poison any ticket she is on  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 07:56 PM   #18 
     - In Indiana, I realize that is a problem  CTyankee   Nov-07-05 08:19 PM   #27 
        - Many people that voted for Kerry in 04, will not vote for Hillary  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 08:39 PM   #38 
           - I remember the sleaze but did I miss  laugle   Nov-07-05 09:05 PM   #46 
           - There was no significant corruption  Jai4WKC08   Nov-08-05 05:31 PM   #100 
              - I predict people have finally had enough of  laugle   Nov-08-05 07:12 PM   #105 
                 - I wish I could be so optimistic  Jai4WKC08   Nov-08-05 08:30 PM   #106 
                    - Hi Jai! "NOT THAT CRAP AGAIN'' is exactly  laugle   Nov-09-05 10:08 PM   #108 
           - Are you talking about Indiana Democrats here?  CTyankee   Nov-08-05 07:25 AM   #65 
  - How is this breaking down male vs. female? Just askin'  CTyankee   Nov-07-05 08:12 PM   #22 
  - Female here.  Clark2008   Nov-07-05 08:19 PM   #26 
  - Female  WesDem   Nov-07-05 08:23 PM   #28 
  - Female-Clark  Jersey Ginny   Nov-07-05 08:25 PM   #30 
  - It is progressive versus DLC puke  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 08:29 PM   #34 
  - Female  Texas_Kat   Nov-07-05 08:58 PM   #44 
  - Female - Clark eom  lukasahero   Nov-08-05 07:49 AM   #68 
  - No way Hillary will be nominated  Suzie57   Nov-07-05 08:17 PM   #25 
  - Uh, Hillary the big one for the MSN?  CTyankee   Nov-07-05 08:26 PM   #32 
  - She wins early popularity contests.  Clark2008   Nov-07-05 08:39 PM   #39 
  - Clark can carry Indiana, which would be quite something  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 08:43 PM   #40 
     - That's what I think, too.  Clark2008   Nov-07-05 08:46 PM   #41 
  - Depends on the Poll  Suzie57   Nov-07-05 08:56 PM   #43 
     - That's sort of what I meant in my post above.  Clark2008   Nov-07-05 09:08 PM   #49 
  - How about Clark and Schweitzer from Montana  Jersey Ginny   Nov-07-05 08:27 PM   #33 
  - Is Clark pro labor? Gotta ask at this point.  upi402   Nov-07-05 09:47 PM   #51 
  - At least Clark didn't vote for NAFTA and CAFTA  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 10:16 PM   #54 
  - Yes, Clark is pro-labor  Texas_Kat   Nov-07-05 10:34 PM   #55 
  - I know Wes Clark's dad died when he was four,  NCarolinawoman   Nov-08-05 09:01 AM   #73 
     - Yes, absolutely true about Clark's father, and  LandOLincoln   Nov-08-05 11:20 AM   #83 
  - Clark  union_maid   Nov-07-05 09:54 PM   #52 
  - Clark  SONUVABUSH   Nov-07-05 10:53 PM   #56 
  - Hillary was crushed by Clark, she only got 12 votes in 4 hours  IndianaGreen   Nov-07-05 11:29 PM   #57 
  - No contest  mmonk   Nov-07-05 11:37 PM   #58 
  - General Wesley Clark, all the way  PatGund   Nov-08-05 06:08 AM   #60 
  - I would definitely vote third party if Hillary or Wes led the Prez ticket  Larkspur   Nov-08-05 07:09 AM   #62 
  - Why?  mycritters2   Nov-08-05 05:26 PM   #97 
  - It makes me feel good..  sendero   Nov-08-05 07:19 AM   #63 
  - Clark voted for Nixon, Reagan both Bush Sr. and jr. - when did he  Imagevision   Nov-08-05 07:41 AM   #66 
  - That is a lie. Where did you pick it up?  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-08-05 07:56 AM   #69 
  - Smear tactics again. Simply not true.  cyn2   Nov-08-05 08:24 AM   #71 
  - Remember this poll when the MSM will tell you you want Hillary  robbedvoter   Nov-08-05 07:47 AM   #67 
  - my two least favorite. who's the 3rd party choice?  jonnyblitz   Nov-08-05 08:01 AM   #70 
  - Why do you dislike Clark?  jaredh   Nov-08-05 10:47 AM   #80 
  - Hillary carries too much baggage  Lowell   Nov-08-05 09:08 AM   #74 
  - Amen. Clark is far more electable.  Mark E. Smith   Nov-08-05 12:25 PM   #89 
  - Here's why I, for 1 will never support Clinton.  greyhound1966   Nov-08-05 09:52 AM   #78 
  - Clark.  jaredh   Nov-08-05 10:44 AM   #79 
  - Wow for some reason I thought Clark would be outgunned on this one.  DanCa   Nov-08-05 11:11 AM   #81 
  - That's hard to believe. Unfortunately, Hillary is so highly despised at DU  mtnsnake   Nov-08-05 11:56 AM   #85 
     - Well I dont despise senator clinton -  DanCa   Nov-08-05 12:06 PM   #87 
     - Clark is the "most popular" but...  Jai4WKC08   Nov-08-05 12:33 PM   #91 
        - That's a good possibility, but I think there could be more to it than that  mtnsnake   Nov-08-05 12:47 PM   #93 
           - I didn't mean to imply  Jai4WKC08   Nov-08-05 05:20 PM   #94 
  - It's too early.  TayTay   Nov-08-05 11:18 AM   #82 
  - Geeze....  Steely_Dan   Nov-08-05 11:45 AM   #84 
  - "Hillary or Mike Tyson - Who would you chose?" I think that should be our  mtnsnake   Nov-08-05 12:01 PM   #86 
  - Of course General Clark. I am going to be in quite a pickle on  acmavm   Nov-08-05 12:19 PM   #88 
  - Beer lots of beer, and a valium wouldn't hurt either.  DanCa   Nov-08-05 12:26 PM   #90 
     - I'm afraid it would have to be Tequila and thorazine for me.  acmavm   Nov-08-05 12:36 PM   #92 
  - I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see how this one works out!!  Sparkly   Nov-08-05 05:26 PM   #96 
  - Wes, without a doubt  48percenter   Nov-08-05 05:27 PM   #98 
  - Clark over Hillary.  Crazy Guggenheim   Nov-08-05 05:31 PM   #99 
  - I would vote for Gen. Clark in a heartbeat in 2008. In fact, I would have  OhGodNotAgain   Nov-08-05 06:01 PM   #101 
  - Hillary is the Problem! with the Dem response to the war  dennisnyc   Nov-08-05 06:31 PM   #102 

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