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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:27 PM
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82. Male body, male choice,
keep it zipped. Men's choices end when a pregnancy begins in somebody else's body. The sooner men figure that out, the better off they will be. In fact, I suspicion men used to know this when birth control was completely their responsiblity, which is perhaps why there were less pre-marital pregnancies. Maybe if men went back to taking full responsibility for preventing pregnancies, there wouldn't be any surprises. Condoms and spermicides have improved in the last 50 years too.
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  -abortion rights / child support question skipos  Oct-31-05 07:39 PM   #0 
  - I don't know!  Rainscents   Oct-31-05 07:41 PM   #1 
  - Yes. The rights of the mother are over her body and they are separate  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 07:43 PM   #2 
  - Thank you, that is the best way of answering the question. n/t  Bunny   Oct-31-05 08:00 PM   #18 
  - if the mother "chooses" to keep the child and the father  formernaderite   Nov-02-05 09:01 AM   #99 
  - My opinion is that the woman is making the bigger  rosesaylavee   Oct-31-05 07:43 PM   #3 
  - The day a male can carry a fetus to term over nine months and pass it  Walt Starr   Oct-31-05 07:43 PM   #4 
  - Hey, nice imagery, Walt. n/t  rosesaylavee   Oct-31-05 07:44 PM   #6 
  - Graphic -- but quite apt.  Hekate   Nov-03-05 04:01 AM   #114 
  - Giving birth has many complications. Can be life threatening. No one  kikiek   Oct-31-05 07:44 PM   #5 
  - Is it fair for men to strip women and sell them as sex slaves?  bloom   Oct-31-05 07:45 PM   #7 
  - It's THEIR fetus, but it's in HER womb and it will be HER pregnancy  rocknation   Oct-31-05 07:46 PM   #8 
  - hmmm  BoneDaddy   Oct-31-05 08:00 PM   #19 
     - It's a fetus at that point not a child. It is a child when it is viable  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:15 PM   #32 
     - Exactly, And until viability it is part of the woman's body  ultraist   Oct-31-05 09:06 PM   #61 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-31-05 08:18 PM   #35 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-31-05 08:25 PM   #49 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-31-05 08:34 PM   #57 
           - Sexist BS if I've ever seen it.  ultraist   Oct-31-05 09:15 PM   #63 
     - BoneDaddy..this is not a feminist position.  serryjw   Oct-31-05 08:25 PM   #46 
     - "Too many women try to trap men in this lifetime committment'  ultraist   Oct-31-05 09:11 PM   #62 
        - Soory..I stand by my postion  serryjw   Oct-31-05 09:19 PM   #64 
        - It wouldn't be as big of a problem if women had equal rights  ultraist   Oct-31-05 09:25 PM   #67 
        - This is jsut reactionary  serryjw   Oct-31-05 09:32 PM   #70 
           - If the man doesn't want to father a child he should take steps to make  kenzee13   Nov-03-05 05:50 AM   #116 
        - women should just stop having sex with men  bloom   Oct-31-05 09:30 PM   #69 
        - She can put the child up for adoption....  formernaderite   Nov-02-05 09:04 AM   #100 
     - It's their marriage and their problem  rocknation   Oct-31-05 08:32 PM   #56 
     - Nobody has the right to force another person to be an incubator.  Crunchy Frog   Oct-31-05 10:12 PM   #80 
     - So long as her body is required to support that fetus  JerseygirlCT   Nov-01-05 08:23 PM   #93 
     - A man has no right to control a woman's body. Period.  kenzee13   Nov-03-05 05:43 AM   #115 
  - So....  readmoreoften   Oct-31-05 07:46 PM   #9 
  - My cousin got pregnant when she was 16...  MojoXN   Oct-31-05 07:54 PM   #15 
     - Well, if you're the first to admit that he's the exception to the rule...  readmoreoften   Oct-31-05 08:20 PM   #37 
        - Women should not be forced to have babies...  MojoXN   Oct-31-05 08:25 PM   #48 
           - Of course there are, like my husband  ultraist   Oct-31-05 09:19 PM   #65 
  - If the law is stacked against men, it's because pregnancy is, too.  calmblueocean   Oct-31-05 07:47 PM   #10 
  - It's absolutely wrong for a woman ever to be made  Crunchy Frog   Oct-31-05 07:47 PM   #11 
  - Child support is about the CHILD, not the woman  ultraist   Oct-31-05 09:30 PM   #68 
     - I agree, and I'm not making a statement about what the policy  Crunchy Frog   Oct-31-05 10:06 PM   #78 
  - The law puts ALL of the responsibility, from a financial standpoint...  MojoXN   Oct-31-05 07:50 PM   #12 
  - I don't think you have a clue about what you are talking about  bloom   Oct-31-05 08:03 PM   #21 
  - Obviously the non-custodial parent doesn't have ALL of the responsibility.  MojoXN   Oct-31-05 08:10 PM   #25 
     - Because visitation and support are not the same thing  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:13 PM   # 
     - Would you rather I pay for a child that you have with another woman?  bloom   Oct-31-05 08:21 PM   #38 
     - Significant??? Everyone woman I know ho gets child support  LostinVA   Oct-31-05 08:23 PM   #44 
  - For good reason...97% of all sex offenders are hetero males  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:08 PM   #22 
  - Now what the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING?  MojoXN   Oct-31-05 08:13 PM   #28 
  - We already don't agree on anything  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:14 PM   #30 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-31-05 08:19 PM   #36 
        - thought you wanted to keep this civil?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:22 PM   #40 
           - First of all, that wasn't me.  MojoXN   Oct-31-05 08:23 PM   #43 
              - Not what I said but feel free to vent  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:25 PM   #47 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-01-05 06:39 PM   #87 
     - flaming is not permitted here  Beaverhausen   Nov-01-05 06:49 PM   #89 
  - What on earth are you talking about?  readmoreoften   Oct-31-05 08:23 PM   #42 
  - Funny you should say this  serryjw   Oct-31-05 08:31 PM   #55 
  - WHAT?  ultraist   Oct-31-05 09:35 PM   #71 
  - "an ingrained, institutional discriminatory sexism"  jane_pippin   Oct-31-05 10:17 PM   #81 
  - he coulda kept his legs crossed, doubled up on the barrier methods.....  bettyellen   Oct-31-05 07:51 PM   #13 
  - SHE could have kept her legs crossed, used a female condom, and spermicide  MojoXN   Oct-31-05 07:59 PM   #17 
  - No I wouldn't agree.  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:10 PM   #23 
  - my point was that he is- or could have been- equally responsible  bettyellen   Oct-31-05 08:11 PM   #26 
  - Notice I didn't weigh in one way or the other wrt the abortion question.  MojoXN   Oct-31-05 08:16 PM   #33 
     - to be honest, i've seen this from both sides in a scary way-  bettyellen   Oct-31-05 08:31 PM   #54 
  - maybe he should've kept his legs crossed  WindRavenX   Oct-31-05 08:26 PM   #50 
  - OMG -- you really don't live in America 2005, do you?  LostinVA   Oct-31-05 08:30 PM   #53 
  - Ever heard of condoms?  rocknation   Oct-31-05 08:38 PM   #58 
     - Get Real  BoneDaddy   Nov-01-05 06:36 PM   #86 
  - What if the condom he used broke?  Zhade   Oct-31-05 08:01 PM   #20 
     - Sue Trojan  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:10 PM   #24 
     - i said double up, that means spermicide, making sure she has a diaphram.  bettyellen   Oct-31-05 08:13 PM   #29 
     - Considering how this argument keeps slipping back  Selteri   Oct-31-05 09:38 PM   #72 
  - I wouldn't call it "fair," but that's the way that the rights of  BullGooseLoony   Oct-31-05 07:51 PM   #14 
  - "Other"  Dr_eldritch   Oct-31-05 07:58 PM   #16 
  - Parental rights can be terminated by mutual consent provided the  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:12 PM   #27 
     - "mutual consent" means  Dr_eldritch   Oct-31-05 08:14 PM   #31 
     - Not at all true. She can not unilaterally terminate his rights to  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:16 PM   #34 
     - Right, but she neither has to agree  Dr_eldritch   Oct-31-05 08:21 PM   #39 
        - So are you saying if the woman does not wish to see a man that abused  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 08:24 PM   #45 
           - No, you are reading too far into it...  Dr_eldritch   Oct-31-05 09:46 PM   #75 
              - No. I think you have now said twice that you think it is unjust that the  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 10:32 PM   #83 
                 - Well ok...  Dr_eldritch   Oct-31-05 11:34 PM   #85 
     - Keep his money, What sexist bs, The money is for the CHILD. n/t  ultraist   Oct-31-05 09:41 PM   #74 
     - Wouldn't it be nice if that were always the case.  Dr_eldritch   Oct-31-05 10:00 PM   #77 
     - "Welfare of the child" means that it's the baby's right to have  BullGooseLoony   Oct-31-05 09:51 PM   #76 
        - I don't agree with that  Yupster   Nov-03-05 12:37 AM   #112 
     - The man can cause his parental rights to be terminated and then  No Exit   Nov-03-05 01:34 AM   #113 
  - She claiming her her right to refuse to provide service.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-31-05 08:22 PM   #41 
  - These are two very different issues  dsc   Oct-31-05 08:26 PM   #51 
  - Her body...her choice  cynatnite   Oct-31-05 08:29 PM   #52 
  - Why do we have a court system?  flaminbats   Oct-31-05 08:59 PM   #59 
  - The way that is worded, no, but it's a slippery slope  Selteri   Oct-31-05 09:02 PM   #60 
  - I think she should take it out right away and give it to him.  Ilsa   Oct-31-05 09:21 PM   #66 
  - A civil thread about child support / abortion?  LincolnMcGrath   Oct-31-05 09:39 PM   #73 
  - I'm really getting tired...  Llewlladdwr   Oct-31-05 10:08 PM   #79 
  - Male body, male choice,  sandnsea   Oct-31-05 10:27 PM   #82 
  - bs  BoneDaddy   Nov-01-05 06:43 PM   #88 
     - Men = no responsibility  sandnsea   Nov-02-05 02:02 AM   #96 
        - selective awareness  BoneDaddy   Nov-02-05 08:07 AM   #97 
           - Babies happen to MEN too  sandnsea   Nov-02-05 04:00 PM   #102 
  - Then conceive and carry  nothingshocksmeanymore   Oct-31-05 10:33 PM   #84 
  - My reasoning.  uppityperson   Nov-01-05 07:26 PM   #90 
  - That lawsuit WAS HORRID and disgusting  kineta   Nov-01-05 07:34 PM   #91 
  - There are also many, many cases of courts  Yupster   Nov-02-05 10:06 AM   #101 
     - There are far more cases of fathers skipping out on their responsibilities  Beaverhausen   Nov-02-05 04:07 PM   #103 
        - The difference is that the guy who runs out on his  Yupster   Nov-02-05 04:53 PM   #104 
           - Not always -believe it or not this actually happened to my boyfriend  Beaverhausen   Nov-02-05 05:02 PM   #105 
              - The law is different state by state  Yupster   Nov-02-05 05:44 PM   #106 
                 - Yes my boyfriend was married to the mother - this was about 12 years ago  Beaverhausen   Nov-02-05 05:52 PM   #107 
                    - Here's a link to the case  Yupster   Nov-02-05 09:44 PM   #109 
  - What we don't know is what the relationship was between the two  LynneSin   Nov-01-05 07:40 PM   #92 
  - This topic has come up many times before  Yupster   Nov-01-05 10:52 PM   #94 
  - Hey Yupster  Holloween   Nov-02-05 06:28 PM   #108 
  - Thank you and  Yupster   Nov-02-05 09:46 PM   #110 
  - That makes some sense to me, and it would be ideal  sepia_steel   Nov-03-05 06:50 AM   #119 
  - I believe it should be the legal right of the mother  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-01-05 11:13 PM   #95 
  - Yet another reason for men to practice safe sex.  Bridget Burke   Nov-02-05 08:27 AM   #98 
  - Ideally this would have been talked about before the sex act.  DanCa   Nov-02-05 09:50 PM   #111 
  - Right.  sepia_steel   Nov-03-05 06:41 AM   #118 
  - Although I voted 'not fair'  sepia_steel   Nov-03-05 06:23 AM   #117 
  - I'll try this again  verdalaven   Nov-03-05 07:37 AM   #120 

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