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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #42
75. Of course.
It's another instance of conservative jurisprudence attempting to instruct people how to be married.

In other instances, compelling a woman to notify her husband is as good as making her wear a scarlet A.
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  -What principle would justify giving a husband equal rights in a pregnancy? BurtWorm  Oct-31-05 02:39 PM   #0 
  - Got me....does that mean a husband has to get the wife's permission  Sperk   Oct-31-05 02:41 PM   #1 
  - Maybe in Scalito's universe.  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 02:42 PM   #2 
  - There's a Vas Deferens  Spinzonner   Oct-31-05 02:47 PM   #9 
  - That was good, Spinzonner! nt  zanne   Oct-31-05 02:50 PM   #21 
  - Damn that was a good one Spinzonner  Popol Vuh   Oct-31-05 04:18 PM   #113 
  - Sure, why not?  ohio_liberal   Oct-31-05 02:48 PM   #14 
  - A permission slip from your HUSBAND??? That is outrageous!  Maraya1969   Oct-31-05 11:21 PM   #126 
  - Every single one of my friends has had to get one too  ohio_liberal   Nov-01-05 07:03 AM   #176 
  - Isn't it an Ohio law?  knitter4democracy   Nov-01-05 09:09 AM   #188 
     - Do husbands have to get their wife's permission for a vasectomy?  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 09:14 AM   #189 
     - I was asked by the urologist.  knitter4democracy   Nov-01-05 07:20 PM   #244 
     - Maybe in the 60's, but not now  ohio_liberal   Nov-01-05 11:57 AM   #198 
        - That's odd, then.  knitter4democracy   Nov-01-05 07:18 PM   #243 
  - O'Connor: A woman does not lose her rights when she gets married  NormaR   Oct-31-05 11:50 PM   #143 
  - Or screws another woman and "wastes" his sperm?  LostinVA   Nov-01-05 06:47 AM   #169 
  - This is already the case.  Llewlladdwr   Nov-01-05 07:21 AM   #177 
  - Grounds for Divorce I believe  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 08:09 AM   #181 
  - 50% of the genes ?  tocqueville   Oct-31-05 02:45 PM   #3 
  - 1 minute of the labor?  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 02:46 PM   #7 
  - Confirmed paternity = 18 yr (at least) of monetary support  SoCalDem   Oct-31-05 02:48 PM   #15 
  - Good point.  Maraya1969   Oct-31-05 11:25 PM   #127 
  - Assuming the husband is the father  gollygee   Oct-31-05 03:27 PM   #86 
  - the genes are always there, wherever they come from  tocqueville   Oct-31-05 04:18 PM   #114 
  - (Slightly less, actually. Mitochondrial DNA and all that... nt)  lostnfound   Nov-01-05 12:28 AM   #161 
  - I think that one is going to be their downfall  wryter2000   Oct-31-05 02:45 PM   #4 
  - I agree.  sadiesworld   Nov-01-05 12:40 PM   #203 
     - I think you mean minors, not minorities?  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-01-05 01:00 PM   #205 
        - Just misspoke.  sadiesworld   Nov-01-05 01:06 PM   #207 
  - Pennsylvania Abortion Control Act info.  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 02:45 PM   #5 
  - The big deal is, there is now a legal record of her intention to have  Vickers   Oct-31-05 02:47 PM   #11 
  - She has privacy  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 02:48 PM   #18 
  - I didn't say there would be a record of her abortion  Vickers   Oct-31-05 02:50 PM   #22 
  - I don't think it was so dumb. How do you know the "notice" wouldn't  Maraya1969   Oct-31-05 11:30 PM   #128 
  - Um. You are not the  Midlodemocrat   Nov-01-05 11:05 AM   #194 
  - Well that's a nice thing for a new member to say!  Beaverhausen   Oct-31-05 02:50 PM   #23 
  - Just trying to inform  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 02:53 PM   #29 
     - Well, please tell us your sources for the "info" you  raccoon   Nov-01-05 08:01 AM   #179 
  - So if she can lie, why have such a requirement anyway?  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 03:27 PM   #85 
  - Are you telling me that Planned Parenthood does not keep any  Maraya1969   Oct-31-05 11:32 PM   #129 
  - Not just that she "stated" It has to be in writing.  Maraya1969   Oct-31-05 11:39 PM   #135 
  - *yawn* Go play in your usual playground  LostinVA   Nov-01-05 06:48 AM   #172 
  - Record, Would be in her files anyway  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 04:18 PM   #227 
     - Medical files are private, legal files are public  Vickers   Nov-01-05 05:28 PM   #234 
  - Yes, massa  ayeshahaqqiqa   Oct-31-05 03:01 PM   #40 
  - The woman doesn't have to get consent  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:06 PM   #52 
     - Bull  ayeshahaqqiqa   Oct-31-05 03:11 PM   #58 
        - Blessed  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:19 PM   #68 
        - What are these principles based on?  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 03:35 PM   #98 
        - We've done an excellent job of "discussing" in an "informed manner"  readmoreoften   Nov-01-05 11:49 AM   #197 
        - Or have your husband beat you up because he's pissed  LostinVA   Nov-01-05 06:50 AM   #173 
  - and THIS is why it was overturned by the Supreme Court:  GloriaSmith   Oct-31-05 03:02 PM   #46 
  - Is there a law that says a husband has to notify his wife if he intends to  jane_pippin   Oct-31-05 03:04 PM   #49 
  - Not a good analogy- a medical procedure was not a result  bluedawg12   Nov-01-05 12:07 AM   #151 
     - That may well be, but my point is  jane_pippin   Nov-01-05 07:31 AM   #178 
     - A combined effort that has a slightly better chance of not producing  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 09:17 AM   #190 
  - Because you're not a woman, duh  sandnsea   Oct-31-05 03:15 PM   #64 
  - Because you are not totally dependent  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 05:39 PM   #239 
  - Because she is an adult.  ieoeja   Oct-31-05 03:23 PM   #73 
  - hehehe I like that analogy  Maraya1969   Oct-31-05 11:37 PM   #131 
  - My problem with section (a) Spousal notice required....  colinmom71   Oct-31-05 05:22 PM   #123 
  - If you were a woman, you'd see what the 'big deal' is.  readmoreoften   Nov-01-05 11:45 AM   #196 
     - Hope Husband can Sue!  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 04:09 PM   #224 
        - If the couple agrees to marry for that reason and it's in a contract  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 04:14 PM   #225 
           - Verbal Contract  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 04:33 PM   #228 
              - If your wife went into the marriage agreeing to have kids  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 04:51 PM   #230 
                 - Settle for Grounds for Divorce  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 05:04 PM   #231 
                    - But it's not the law's business to babysit yours or anyone else's marriage  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 05:12 PM   #233 
                       - Gov't has no business with this  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 06:04 PM   #242 
  - The principle of "The chick is subservient to the dude" ???  Vickers   Oct-31-05 02:45 PM   #6 
  - It's not about permission....  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 02:47 PM   #10 
     - Yeah, that's why I put it in quotes, and I saw your post above and  Vickers   Oct-31-05 02:48 PM   #17 
     - Nor should she have to inform him  Beaverhausen   Oct-31-05 02:54 PM   #32 
     - bad marriage is covered  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 02:59 PM   #38 
     - other kinds of bad marriage  ayeshahaqqiqa   Oct-31-05 03:02 PM   #44 
     - Family court  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:05 PM   #51 
        - yeah, right  ayeshahaqqiqa   Oct-31-05 05:02 PM   #122 
     - so a woman has to go to court and prove one of these exceptions?  Beaverhausen   Oct-31-05 03:02 PM   #45 
     - These are the Exceptions:  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:07 PM   #53 
        - Why do you want women to endanger their health by waiting till they have  Beaverhausen   Oct-31-05 03:13 PM   #61 
           - Dont need permission  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:16 PM   #66 
              - Then what is the point of the law?  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 04:03 PM   #103 
     - Still bullshit  ccbombs   Oct-31-05 11:57 PM   #145 
     - Control  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 04:43 PM   #229 
        - Then it is NOT a good marriage  Beaverhausen   Nov-01-05 05:06 PM   #232 
           - But not purely a womans concern.  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 05:30 PM   #235 
     - No, it's about power. n/t  jane_pippin   Oct-31-05 03:15 PM   #62 
  - When they insert the fetus into his body  TallahasseeGrannie   Oct-31-05 02:46 PM   #8 
  - Ooooo, good one, Grannie!  beam me up scottie   Oct-31-05 02:48 PM   #16 
     - I'll second that  Nikki Stone 1   Oct-31-05 11:41 PM   #137 
  - I lived in Pennsylvania  beam me up scottie   Oct-31-05 02:47 PM   #12 
  - It's such a blatant throwback to pre-Victorian morality.  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 02:55 PM   #33 
     - privacy from her husband?  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:03 PM   #47 
     - Is marriage an end of privacy?  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 03:19 PM   #70 
     - Why should there be a law saying I have to tell my husband anything?  jane_pippin   Oct-31-05 03:25 PM   #79 
     - "Privacy from her husband?"  ljm2002   Oct-31-05 03:26 PM   #82 
     - "if your spouse was going to have a surgical procedure, wouldn't you want  Iris   Nov-01-05 03:32 PM   #221 
        - I think you missed my point...  ljm2002   Nov-01-05 11:07 PM   #245 
     - whaaaa?????????????? if it's a bad relationship she doesn't have to tell  Sperk   Oct-31-05 03:29 PM   #90 
     - Yes, privacy is necessary within a marriage.  1monster   Oct-31-05 04:20 PM   #117 
     - What privacy is required in a married relationship, you ask?  Bouncy Ball   Oct-31-05 11:38 PM   #133 
     - Excellent points, Bouncy.  lukasahero   Nov-01-05 09:08 AM   #187 
     - Women retain their status as autonomous human beings  kestrel91316   Nov-01-05 12:02 AM   #149 
     - Bullshit, it "won't work"  impeachdubya   Nov-01-05 12:12 AM   #155 
        - Nice rant! Thanks for this.  lukasahero   Nov-01-05 09:05 AM   #185 
     - Tell that to the ignoramuses that think they jointly own a wife's womb.  beam me up scottie   Oct-31-05 03:15 PM   #63 
  - The case stated 'Notification' not 'Consent'  dbonds   Oct-31-05 02:48 PM   #13 
  - So forcing women to notify their husbands is okie dokie with you?  beam me up scottie   Oct-31-05 02:52 PM   #26 
     - I didn't say it was okay. Just what the case stated.  dbonds   Oct-31-05 02:57 PM   #35 
        - and in a good marriage they do talk about it  Beaverhausen   Oct-31-05 03:01 PM   #39 
  - "It Takes Two to Tango"  verse18   Oct-31-05 02:48 PM   #19 
  - Well, when "two" can both be pregnant, and carry the fetus for  Bunny   Oct-31-05 05:53 PM   #124 
  - The key issue is what the law should require and  cally   Oct-31-05 02:48 PM   #20 
  - Welll  Ravenseye   Oct-31-05 02:51 PM   #24 
  - You think a woman with a brain tumor should be forced to bear a child  kestrel91316   Nov-01-05 12:08 AM   #152 
     - That's not what I said  Ravenseye   Nov-01-05 06:55 AM   #174 
  - and where in the constitution is this principle found?  DBoon   Oct-31-05 02:51 PM   #25 
  - Excellent point, lol!  Vickers   Oct-31-05 02:53 PM   #30 
  - Wouldn't a strict constructionist support this?  hughee99   Oct-31-05 04:42 PM   #120 
  - Mandatory chemical castration of men until a women want to reproduce.  CottonBear   Oct-31-05 02:53 PM   #27 
  - They don't and never should  prolesunited   Oct-31-05 02:53 PM   #28 
  - Consent of spouse IS NOT REQUIRED  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 02:56 PM   #34 
     - All she has to do is sign a scary legal document...  crispini   Oct-31-05 03:02 PM   #43 
     - The clause was shot down by the USSC, IT.  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 03:26 PM   #80 
     - Go read "A Doll's House"  WindRavenX   Nov-01-05 12:25 AM   #159 
  - Goes back to several Old Testament  spindrifter   Oct-31-05 02:54 PM   #31 
  - Do husband's have any rights?  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 02:58 PM   #36 
     - If the husband doesn't know his wife if pregnant there must be a problem  Beaverhausen   Oct-31-05 03:08 PM   #54 
     - No.  beam me up scottie   Oct-31-05 03:10 PM   #56 
     - Go back and read the question--  spindrifter   Oct-31-05 03:10 PM   #57 
     - He has the right to trust and respect his wife  sandnsea   Oct-31-05 03:19 PM   #69 
     - if the husband gets another woman pregnant should it be a law that he  Sperk   Oct-31-05 03:31 PM   #94 
     - Are you ever going to answer the question of where the right to know  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 04:17 PM   #111 
     - NO the husband has no rights to MY uterus just like the state has  Maraya1969   Oct-31-05 11:58 PM   #147 
     - The husband has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to force his wife to bear  kestrel91316   Nov-01-05 12:10 AM   #154 
  - What's equal in a pregnancy?  porphyrian   Oct-31-05 02:58 PM   #37 
  - Tricky situation. This cannot be legislated properly  ComerPerro   Oct-31-05 03:01 PM   #41 
  - In reality, most women discuss pregnancy options with their husbands,  Nikki Stone 1   Oct-31-05 03:01 PM   #42 
  - notifcation has exceptions  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:09 PM   #55 
  - please be informed about reality and what life is like in the real world  Beaverhausen   Oct-31-05 03:17 PM   #67 
  - Amen. Thanks for this.  Nikki Stone 1   Oct-31-05 03:22 PM   #72 
  - I've read the act, dear heart. Why don't you read the SC decision?  Nikki Stone 1   Oct-31-05 03:21 PM   #71 
  - Not arguing for or against the act  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:26 PM   #83 
     - Thank goodness you are here to "inform" all of us  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Oct-31-05 04:23 PM   #118 
  - A woman shouldn't HAVE to notify a DAMN SOUL what she plans to do  chimpymustgo   Oct-31-05 03:26 PM   #81 
  - Seriously, think about what you're saying.  calmblueocean   Oct-31-05 03:27 PM   #84 
  - exactly- very well said  Beaverhausen   Oct-31-05 03:29 PM   #91 
  - Finally someone with a brain  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:30 PM   #92 
     - And it ain't you. Where is spousal notification in the Constitution?  chimpymustgo   Oct-31-05 03:41 PM   #100 
        - He said that he agreed with it being overturned. nt  coda   Oct-31-05 04:19 PM   #115 
  - Earth to Independent Thinker  CTyankee   Oct-31-05 04:03 PM   #102 
  - So?  JerseygirlCT   Nov-01-05 08:57 AM   #184 
  - Of course.  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 03:24 PM   #75 
  - Does he bear equal responsibility of supporting the child post-birth?  Orrex   Oct-31-05 03:03 PM   #48 
  - I know from personal experience  ayeshahaqqiqa   Oct-31-05 03:25 PM   #78 
  - Well, such assholes should be forced to pay, obviously.  Orrex   Oct-31-05 03:33 PM   #96 
  - Okay, but what Constitutional principle would justify a man having any  BurtWorm   Oct-31-05 04:13 PM   #110 
  - Here's a suggestion, as devil's advocate  Orrex   Oct-31-05 11:18 PM   #125 
     - I'd say a woman would have to show probable cause  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 10:00 AM   #191 
  - Under current law he and the fetus have rights  RGBolen   Oct-31-05 11:39 PM   #134 
  - NO MAN ever has any right to force a woman to bear a child against  kestrel91316   Nov-01-05 12:13 AM   #156 
  - mandatory vasectomies for all boys at age twelve  MindPilot   Oct-31-05 03:04 PM   #50 
  - Good one!  Karenina   Oct-31-05 03:12 PM   #59 
  - Sounds fair.  beam me up scottie   Oct-31-05 03:13 PM   #60 
  - Tubal ligations for girls at age twelve then too, I suppose?  Orrex   Oct-31-05 03:16 PM   #65 
  - Of course! But only if the father (or older brother) is notified.  MindPilot   Oct-31-05 04:04 PM   #104 
  - Good way to keep the birthrate down  Alcibiades   Oct-31-05 03:25 PM   #77 
  - This point is probably past, but it just occurred to me  Orrex   Nov-01-05 08:44 AM   #182 
  - Reversing vasectomies is painful. Or so I am told.  Nikki Stone 1   Oct-31-05 03:27 PM   #87 
     - It's a win-win situation.  MindPilot   Oct-31-05 03:40 PM   #99 
     - so is having a baby n/t  purji   Nov-01-05 05:40 AM   #168 
  - Does anyone actually want to know the truth  Independent thinker   Oct-31-05 03:23 PM   #74 
  - What a shitty law  Alcibiades   Oct-31-05 03:28 PM   #89 
  - Exactly. If you are abused, raped, etc. and DON'T report it, you cannot  Nikki Stone 1   Oct-31-05 03:32 PM   #95 
  - Do you? (Have your read the SC opinion yet?)  Nikki Stone 1   Oct-31-05 03:31 PM   #93 
  - Where is this in the CONSTITUTION? Spousal notification?  chimpymustgo   Oct-31-05 03:33 PM   #97 
  - You sound like a Republican  Nederland   Nov-01-05 05:37 PM   #238 
  - It reads like the woman is in frickin' grade school.  Lars39   Oct-31-05 04:08 PM   #105 
  - Exceptions noted  coda   Oct-31-05 04:09 PM   #106 
  - It's so clear that you are correct that  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Oct-31-05 04:29 PM   #119 
  - Why are you defending this law so vigorously?  Midlodemocrat   Nov-01-05 11:10 AM   #195 
  - how does stating the FACTS of the law  antfarm   Nov-01-05 01:20 PM   #209 
     - First of all,  Midlodemocrat   Nov-01-05 01:55 PM   #212 
        - LOL....This is a public message board.  antfarm   Nov-01-05 02:49 PM   #213 
           - LOL indeed.  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 02:58 PM   #214 
           - Ha.  Midlodemocrat   Nov-01-05 03:17 PM   #217 
           - Does it matter here?  antfarm   Nov-01-05 03:26 PM   #220 
              - antfarm, with all due respect, we've covered that ground already.  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 03:54 PM   #222 
           - LOL. What are you smoking?  Midlodemocrat   Nov-01-05 03:17 PM   #216 
  - If the Husband/Father is against it, he can have the government  Holloween   Nov-01-05 12:16 PM   #200 
  - thank you.  antfarm   Nov-01-05 01:18 PM   #208 
     - well now that you are in this thread too, I ask again...  Beaverhausen   Nov-01-05 03:03 PM   #215 
  - Mental Incompetence?  ieoeja   Oct-31-05 03:24 PM   #76 
  - Property ownership  gollygee   Oct-31-05 03:28 PM   #88 
  - Bingo.  beam me up scottie   Oct-31-05 04:13 PM   #109 
     - USSC on overturning 3209...  ErisFiveFingers   Oct-31-05 05:00 PM   #121 
        - Key sentence right here (nullifying IT's point)  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 10:10 AM   #192 
  - off the topic??? what if husband/partner thought woman used birth  bobbieinok   Oct-31-05 03:55 PM   #101 
  - If he's that concerned, he needs to wear a condom. n/t  gollygee   Oct-31-05 04:09 PM   #107 
  - ALWAYS wear a condom (or get a vasectomy)  MindPilot   Oct-31-05 04:19 PM   #116 
     - Quid pro quo  Orrex   Oct-31-05 11:40 PM   #136 
  - Until women have sole, private, total rights to their own bodies,  Totally Committed   Oct-31-05 04:12 PM   #108 
  - Total rights require total responsibility, too  Orrex   Oct-31-05 11:36 PM   #130 
     - Uh, you think the woman shouldn't claim sole right to her body?  Erika   Oct-31-05 11:41 PM   #138 
     - If I'm not mistaken, here's what I wrote:  Orrex   Oct-31-05 11:46 PM   #140 
        - Responsibility entails MAKING THE CHOICE as to what to do  impeachdubya   Oct-31-05 11:57 PM   #146 
           - Some good points there, but your central point is flawed as stated  Orrex   Nov-01-05 12:09 AM   #153 
              - The person having his appendix removed-- and his/her doctor.  impeachdubya   Nov-01-05 12:18 AM   #157 
                 - Deleted because I just got my head out of my ass  Orrex   Nov-01-05 12:27 AM   #160 
                    - Explain how that situation would take place, in reality.  impeachdubya   Nov-01-05 12:35 AM   #163 
                    - The breeze is cooler out here.  impeachdubya   Nov-01-05 12:38 AM   #164 
     - Women already have total responsibility  LizW   Nov-01-05 12:03 AM   #150 
        - What about the men who aren't assholes?  Orrex   Nov-01-05 12:22 AM   #158 
           - the men who aren't assholes understand that it's the WOMAN'S body.  impeachdubya   Nov-01-05 12:28 AM   #162 
           - Holy shit, I may have just achieved comprehension!  Orrex   Nov-01-05 12:42 AM   #165 
              - Right on.  impeachdubya   Nov-01-05 02:18 AM   #166 
           - Wow.  LizW   Nov-01-05 06:56 AM   #175 
              - Hey, read further down from my post  Orrex   Nov-01-05 08:02 AM   #180 
  - Martin Luther & John Knox emoted the principles.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-31-05 04:17 PM   #112 
  - Hmmm, let me see: none.  BlueIris   Oct-31-05 11:37 PM   #132 
  - Very True  RGBolen   Oct-31-05 11:46 PM   #141 
  - Well, from what I can see,  Pharlo   Oct-31-05 11:44 PM   #139 
  - 50% of a Uterus.  impeachdubya   Oct-31-05 11:49 PM   #142 
  - If there was an agreement between the couple that they  bluedawg12   Oct-31-05 11:53 PM   #144 
  - Le solution!:Magic any fertilized eggs into an external mechano-uterus  Baconfoot   Nov-01-05 12:01 AM   #148 
  - When He Gets Pregnant  REP   Nov-01-05 03:58 AM   #167 
  - Yessireeebob!  Skidmore   Nov-01-05 06:48 AM   #170 
  - The wife in a terminal coma while carrying a vital fetus.  radwriter0555   Nov-01-05 06:48 AM   #171 
  - unless there is an advance directive addressing the situation  RGBolen   Nov-01-05 08:47 AM   #183 
     - of course...  radwriter0555   Nov-01-05 11:01 AM   #193 
  - Seems to me that the only thing I got out of this is that  kevinbgoode   Nov-01-05 09:07 AM   #186 
  - The Husband/Father should have equal rights, or total rights if  Holloween   Nov-01-05 12:09 PM   #199 
  - I wonder what percentage of pregnancies fall under this situation...  Vickers   Nov-01-05 12:22 PM   #201 
  - Probably something like that.  Holloween   Nov-01-05 12:45 PM   #204 
  - Maybe that's enough to justify making all women inform their spouses.  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 01:00 PM   #206 
     - Yeah, Burt, that is kinda my point...why go to all this trouble for that  Vickers   Nov-01-05 01:26 PM   #210 
        - I knew that was your point, V.  BurtWorm   Nov-01-05 01:34 PM   #211 
  - Wasn't that disgusting. Millions of dollars spent  The Flaming Red Head   Nov-01-05 05:35 PM   #237 
  - none. n/t  catmother   Nov-01-05 12:28 PM   #202 
  - Michael Corleone was pretty upset.  WinkyDink   Nov-01-05 03:19 PM   #218 
  - there is the theoretical answer and the realistic answer....  GumboYaYa   Nov-01-05 03:24 PM   #219 
  - Contract Law  One_Life_To_Give   Nov-01-05 04:01 PM   #223 
  - The fact that we are humans and not tribbles, maybe?  LittleClarkie   Nov-01-05 04:15 PM   #226 
  - Nothing. A damn good reason to not ever get married  The Flaming Red Head   Nov-01-05 05:31 PM   #236 
  - Ooh! Good point! Judge Alito is ANTI-MARRIAGE!  IanDB1   Nov-01-05 05:42 PM   #241 
  - If the father was raped by the mother? n/t  IanDB1   Nov-01-05 05:40 PM   #240 
 

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