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Sun Oct-23-05 10:56 AM
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The Democratic Party has too often either been AWOL or actyively supporting the policies and mindset that has placed the poor, working and middle classes under seige for 30 years.
At some point the Democratic Party as an institution has to get off the dime and rediscover the basic principles it supposedly stands for. That requires a break from the habit of avoiding the real issues and pursuing the Clinton/Dick Morris theory of "triangulation."
The list is a long one of specifics. But start with NAFTA, Economic Consolidation and Corporate Power, Media Concentration, Minimum Wage, Unioversal Access to Healthcare, etc. etc. etc.
The only weay to win is to go beyond the self-imposed limits the Democratic Party has placed on itself for the last 30 years.
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| -Rule of thumb...bring your enemy down first. Then clean house. |
madfloridian |
Oct-22-05 02:58 PM |
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Well said. :-) |
papau |
Oct-22-05 03:02 PM |
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Well |
PATRICK |
Oct-22-05 03:09 PM |
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Thank you n/t |
cmd |
Oct-22-05 03:09 PM |
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thanks! you made some great points and this really makes sense of |
bushmeat |
Oct-22-05 03:13 PM |
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Nommed. |
chalky |
Oct-22-05 03:17 PM |
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There's a reason Jesus assailed the Sadducees, and not the Romans |
DerekG |
Oct-22-05 03:21 PM |
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You are entitled to your opinion |
Frances |
Oct-22-05 03:27 PM |
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I am a liberal Democrat who discriminates |
DerekG |
Oct-22-05 03:34 PM |
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And because you don't support the effort to include the people.... |
madfloridian |
Oct-22-05 03:37 PM |
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No, we need only struggle in order to change things |
DerekG |
Oct-22-05 03:53 PM |
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I think you are getting the point |
Frances |
Oct-22-05 04:19 PM |
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But the ones doing it now..... |
madfloridian |
Oct-22-05 06:24 PM |
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Actually, I'd like to know: what progressive is attacking the good guys? |
DerekG |
Oct-22-05 06:52 PM |
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We have a different definition of "good guy." |
madfloridian |
Oct-22-05 06:57 PM |
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Remember, we are the big tent guys... |
Gronk Groks |
Oct-22-05 11:27 PM |
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this bears repeating |
ginnyinWI |
Oct-23-05 10:34 AM |
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Excellent post by DerekG - I agree completely... |
Iowa |
Oct-23-05 06:19 PM |
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Indeed... |
lateo |
Oct-24-05 12:28 AM |
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a few words from Sarducci |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-23-05 06:32 PM |
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Another way to say the same thing...."Don't start redecorating when |
Rowdyboy |
Oct-22-05 04:56 PM |
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How do you stop hemorrhaging without knowing the source of the hemmorhage? |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Oct-23-05 11:26 AM |
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I hear you. |
Beam Me Up |
Oct-22-05 11:23 PM |
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But we all went through the same election....that's why we have to rebuild |
madfloridian |
Oct-22-05 11:43 PM |
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Well put. |
Gelliebeans |
Oct-22-05 11:25 PM |
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Anyone who isn't FOR the party is against it. |
Neil Lisst |
Oct-22-05 11:28 PM |
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That subject line... |
hvn_nbr_2 |
Oct-22-05 11:36 PM |
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yeah...quoting bush is kinda creepy if you ask me. nt |
jonnyblitz |
Oct-22-05 11:46 PM |
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"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." |
DerekG |
Oct-23-05 12:36 AM |
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Chimpy, is that you? |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Oct-23-05 11:28 AM |
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sounds to bush like !!! |
Acryliccalico |
Oct-23-05 09:11 PM |
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Well said. |
Brundle_Fly |
Oct-22-05 11:34 PM |
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Mad, I'm hoping that you're not referring to my thread, |
BullGooseLoony |
Oct-22-05 11:41 PM |
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I was not referring to your thread. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 12:04 AM |
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"He can not support one candidate over the other." |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-23-05 12:44 AM |
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Schumer and Reid chose Casey. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 10:45 AM |
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is Dean not "SUPPORTING" Casey? |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-23-05 11:00 AM |
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Dean said a few nice words about him.... |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 11:21 AM |
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that's total crap ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-23-05 11:37 AM |
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"the last thing we need is Dean "worshippers" around here" |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 11:54 AM |
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I give but today I told DNC I was fed up with their timidity. |
autorank |
Oct-23-05 12:25 AM |
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I think there is a lot going on right now on that issue. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 12:32 AM |
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There are people who have put together extraordinary material. |
autorank |
Oct-23-05 12:48 AM |
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Not hopeful here either |
Boomer |
Oct-23-05 10:53 AM |
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Boomer, buddy, you made my day;) |
autorank |
Oct-23-05 02:46 PM |
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Promoting the "small donor" is an empty gesture... |
Boomer |
Oct-23-05 05:23 PM |
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I heartily disagree....it can work. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 08:06 PM |
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The DNC is trying to do that with smaller donations. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 02:49 PM |
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Accepting of what? |
Boomer |
Oct-23-05 05:13 PM |
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You have it backward |
Armstead |
Oct-23-05 10:41 AM |
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So you don't think we need the Democratic Party? Is that what you say? |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 10:43 AM |
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Where the hell did you get that from? |
Armstead |
Oct-23-05 10:46 AM |
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We have someone who is trying to do that. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 10:54 AM |
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I agree with you to a point |
Armstead |
Oct-23-05 10:59 AM |
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That is why we are not going to win next year. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 11:06 AM |
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I'm not sure who the myseterious "they" are |
Armstead |
Oct-23-05 11:13 AM |
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Again, that is what he is trying to do. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 11:17 AM |
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People care |
Armstead |
Oct-23-05 11:26 AM |
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Not that I want to contribute to division among Dems, but even |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Oct-23-05 02:03 PM |
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Kerry? |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-23-05 02:08 PM |
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I hope I haven't got it wrong. Maybe you're right, but I hope not. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Oct-23-05 02:30 PM |
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a number of points ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-23-05 02:50 PM |
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You insist on his supporting a "success-driven"policy in Iraq. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Oct-23-05 03:19 PM |
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You are mistaken - Clark on alternative energy sources |
WesDem |
Oct-23-05 09:10 PM |
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Or could blame the centrist leadership: doesn't zero in on election fraud |
lostnfound |
Oct-23-05 01:02 PM |
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? I don't see him saying that at all. |
ulysses |
Oct-23-05 10:46 AM |
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But who gets to pick the issues? |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 10:50 AM |
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hasn't that always been the question? |
ulysses |
Oct-23-05 10:55 AM |
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Its simple |
Armstead |
Oct-23-05 10:56 AM |
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That is what the present chair is trying to change. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 10:58 AM |
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He's having an uphill struggle |
Armstead |
Oct-23-05 11:02 AM |
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I don't see that. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 11:16 AM |
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Don't be so humble about it. |
Armstead |
Oct-23-05 11:22 AM |
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That is the way I feel. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 11:29 AM |
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Whatever....But there's a different way to look at it |
Armstead |
Oct-23-05 12:25 PM |
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Again, that is what he is trying to change. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 12:39 PM |
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great post !! |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-23-05 10:51 AM |
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So you think Howard Dean is failing the party? |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 10:57 AM |
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yes i do !! |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-23-05 11:26 AM |
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must. march. in. lock step. |
xchrom |
Oct-23-05 12:44 PM |
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I give up. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 12:52 PM |
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Giving this a good kick...needs to remain on top. |
AuntPatsy |
Oct-23-05 02:26 PM |
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Let me tell you about a 75yr old lifelong Dem who now hangs up on DNC |
kenzee13 |
Oct-23-05 06:33 PM |
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But a Democrat who did none of those things...is trying to change things. |
madfloridian |
Oct-23-05 06:36 PM |
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It's pretty easy to understand, once again, the propaganda machine |
AuntPatsy |
Oct-23-05 06:53 PM |
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I am with you. There are always going to |
skipos |
Oct-23-05 08:50 PM |
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yes to your post. inevitably blame the dem, letting bush off the hook |
seabeyond |
Oct-23-05 10:06 PM |
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you got it exactly backwards |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-23-05 11:41 PM |
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Criticize the right people, not the ones who are working for us. |
madfloridian |
Oct-24-05 12:01 AM |
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you seem to hear only what you want to hear ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-24-05 12:34 AM |
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I did reach out. I joined the group that is so passionate against Dean. |
madfloridian |
Oct-24-05 12:44 AM |
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this is not about rights ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-24-05 01:00 AM |
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I think I detect a new tactic. |
madfloridian |
Oct-24-05 12:47 AM |
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... |
WildEyedLiberal |
Oct-24-05 01:52 AM |
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what's a shame is ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Oct-24-05 01:58 AM |
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Here here! |
obreaslan |
Oct-24-05 10:43 AM |
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