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| 98. Maybe, but the BIGGEST problem with 3rd Parties... |
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They all seem to forget that WINNING THE OFFICE is kinda important. Therefore, YES, you've gotta sell your soul to Satan to win, deal from the bottom of the deck, pimp your firstborn, WHATEVER it takes.
That's politics. I mean, it's NICE that you confidently use "when" instead of "if" in your speech before a crowd of approx. 31 people and that it shows up at 2:30 PM on Saturday on C-Span but that's so not enough.
You've gotta kiss ass, eat nauseating "regional" fare, wear that silly bolo tie for a hoedown, throw baseballs, sit through boring church services, and MORE.
Show me an elected official and I'll show you a person who secretly cringes at the mere mention of the word "chili."
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| -Is it time to start a PROGRESSIVE PARTY?? |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-05-05 10:58 PM |
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Get out of here if you want to get Republicans elected. |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:00 PM |
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A lot of people are pretty disgusted and are trying to save our movement. |
genius |
Oct-05-05 11:03 PM |
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Mahalo for your kind words Genius |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-05-05 11:21 PM |
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No, you get out, Mr. Rudeness, if you |
PassingFair |
Oct-05-05 11:04 PM |
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Nope. |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:17 PM |
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That logic is flawed.. |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-05-05 11:10 PM |
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those countries have a different system which allows for alliances |
JI7 |
Oct-05-05 11:16 PM |
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WRONG, in the US you need 51% of the votes to win |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-05-05 11:20 PM |
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Here are the 2000 presidential election results. |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:31 PM |
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Before you post that 2000 was stolen as a retort, here is 1992. |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:34 PM |
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Care to tell me the EC college numbers |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-05-05 11:43 PM |
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Please go back to your original point; we're straying. |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:45 PM |
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You don't, it has only happened ONCE |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-05-05 11:48 PM |
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OK then, you don't. Thanks. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:51 PM |
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As a good DLCers you are missing the point |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-05-05 11:54 PM |
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"...for whom the party is more important than the country..." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-07-05 09:09 PM |
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Sounds like a song! |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-08-05 02:13 PM |
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Get your candidate elected in the primary... |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:19 PM |
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there is something about ostriches and holes |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-05-05 11:18 PM |
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And in 2000, Nader ran as a Green... |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:36 PM |
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Go get yourself all you can find on the 2000 election |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-05-05 11:47 PM |
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"When you take the base for granted, sometimes the base revolts" |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:51 PM |
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Tel;l me exactly how many national elections have we won? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-05-05 11:58 PM |
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1992, 1996, 2000 |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-06-05 12:03 AM |
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we won in 2000, but you told me to not give you the coup |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 12:07 AM |
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I told you not to give me the coup as an example... |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-06-05 12:13 AM |
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I also pointed to you when you raised the Presidential election |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 12:15 AM |
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That's it, I'm not gonna try anymore. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-06-05 12:16 AM |
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Ok sorry I happen to know these documents very well |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 12:21 AM |
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There Is A Problem With This Line About 'The Base" Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-06-05 05:21 PM |
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And what I am seeing increasingly is that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 11:31 PM |
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hells bells here is the thread |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 11:33 PM |
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We Seem To Be Talking At Cross-Purposes, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-07-05 12:14 AM |
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And I suspect the DLC is pushing for this |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-07-05 12:19 AM |
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That Seems An Over-Simplification To Me, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-07-05 03:07 AM |
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Third Party want-a-bees Just dont get it |
INdemo |
Oct-05-05 11:21 PM |
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Well, you DLCers have done a superb job of that the past decade. |
longship |
Oct-05-05 11:28 PM |
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"Just say no" slogans don't do anything for anyone. |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:38 PM |
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Taking a principled position and defending it is a winning strategy. |
longship |
Oct-05-05 11:52 PM |
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What the moderates have not realized is.. gingrich |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 12:00 AM |
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That's where the DLC has it completely wrong. |
longship |
Oct-06-05 12:13 AM |
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I agree, they went to war and party discipline is their |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 12:19 AM |
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You call it status quo. I call it what it is... appeasement. |
longship |
Oct-06-05 12:40 AM |
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Yep, it is just that they are afrid of rocking the boat |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 12:50 AM |
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Hmmph. Rocking the boat. |
longship |
Oct-06-05 02:07 AM |
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We both agree, at multiple levels |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 02:22 AM |
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The radical right has been developing their philosophy |
bluedawg12 |
Oct-07-05 12:30 AM |
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Yep |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-07-05 12:32 AM |
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Then go do it, deliver. |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-06-05 12:05 AM |
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I'm not talking about mounting opposition to Dem candidates. |
longship |
Oct-06-05 12:37 AM |
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This members' time has not been wasted |
paineinthearse |
Oct-06-05 07:31 AM |
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Seems to me that the DLC's been doing a fine job of that! |
depakid |
Oct-06-05 09:26 PM |
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Really! |
MisterLiberal |
Oct-08-05 08:51 PM |
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Yeh. But I've learned that certain progressives only mean one issue |
genius |
Oct-05-05 11:01 PM |
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No. |
ellisonz |
Oct-05-05 11:04 PM |
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Please use someone else's bandwidth to advocate 3rd parties.... |
Rowdyboy |
Oct-05-05 11:04 PM |
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The problem is that not many Democrats seem willing to |
ladjf |
Oct-05-05 11:12 PM |
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Rowdyboy |
Berserker |
Oct-05-05 11:15 PM |
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the rules are pretty clear... |
paulk |
Oct-06-05 12:35 AM |
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This is Democratic UNDERGROUND! |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-05-05 11:19 PM |
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Actually, we risk loosing our time... |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:41 PM |
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Agreed (nt) |
MaineDem |
Oct-06-05 07:27 AM |
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Agree. |
Andromeda |
Oct-07-05 02:07 AM |
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I suggest that we call ourselves... |
SnoopDog |
Oct-05-05 11:07 PM |
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totally agree |
marions ghost |
Oct-09-05 08:09 AM |
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Oct-05-05 11:15 PM |
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Go away, spammer. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-05-05 11:42 PM |
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Oct-06-05 01:48 AM |
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It's a true dilemma. It's been something I've thought about a lot. |
amBushed |
Oct-05-05 11:15 PM |
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No. It's time to infilltrate the Dem party and take it back from the DINOs |
davidwparker |
Oct-05-05 11:37 PM |
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I'm starting the "Whigs on Parade" party. Anybody want to join? |
Kablooie |
Oct-05-05 11:41 PM |
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How about making the Democrats into the Progressive Party they like |
mom cat |
Oct-05-05 11:52 PM |
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amen and amen |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-06-05 02:48 AM |
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We really don't need that. As (anecdotal) evidence, I submit this: |
Husb2Sparkly |
Oct-05-05 11:56 PM |
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Wow, that party'll be a huge success |
WildEyedLiberal |
Oct-06-05 12:08 AM |
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I agree more with the DLC than that platform |
AJH032 |
Oct-06-05 12:17 AM |
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poorly worded I think |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 12:24 AM |
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Total demilitarization of America isn't realistic. |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Oct-06-05 12:29 AM |
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No. This is anti-DU. nt |
suigeneris |
Oct-06-05 12:24 AM |
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What is "anti-DU"? |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-06-05 12:54 AM |
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Typo |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Oct-06-05 01:44 AM |
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No thanks, I'll stick with the Dems :) |
Lecky |
Oct-06-05 02:25 AM |
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it's time to return the Democratic Party to its roots . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Oct-06-05 02:26 AM |
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I think these discussions are getting that point across |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 02:31 AM |
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to those who want to push the party further right or further left... |
AJH032 |
Oct-06-05 02:42 AM |
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who do you mean as far left? |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-06-05 02:57 AM |
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some DUers |
AJH032 |
Oct-06-05 03:05 AM |
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the point.. |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-06-05 03:26 AM |
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if so many people agree with kucinich |
AJH032 |
Oct-06-05 09:29 AM |
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You are aware of the power of the media in defining a |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 05:02 PM |
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Dennis is my man... |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-06-05 05:20 PM |
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the harm inflicted by the K-street Democrats when they go to the media |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-07-05 04:20 AM |
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the whole right-left dichotomy is NOT what's at issue here . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Oct-06-05 03:11 AM |
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If it were possible -- I would be all for it. But it's not |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-06-05 02:41 AM |
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Yes. (NT) |
Tesha |
Oct-06-05 06:51 AM |
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Dems are progressive |
mrcheerful |
Oct-06-05 07:12 AM |
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Oct-06-05 08:21 AM |
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If you are going to form a thrid party, make sure it appeals to Repubs |
skipos |
Oct-06-05 08:54 AM |
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The Jesus Party exists...it's known as the Natural Law Party. /EOM |
6th Borough |
Oct-07-05 07:53 AM |
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Realy?? didnt know that one! |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-07-05 08:22 PM |
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Works for me |
renie408 |
Oct-06-05 09:14 AM |
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Maybe "Reduce" is a better word |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-06-05 03:38 PM |
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Latest Repub talking point on mixed forums |
OzarkDem |
Oct-06-05 03:39 PM |
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remenmber this about the pugs |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 05:06 PM |
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I'm too stubborn- I'm going to hold DEMOCRATS to my ideals. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-06-05 05:22 PM |
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I find it disgusting that Democrats calling for fairness and equality... |
Q |
Oct-06-05 05:37 PM |
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Thanks- exactly. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Oct-06-05 11:24 PM |
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As long as we don't get all troskyite leftie, It's fine by me. |
Cappadonna |
Oct-06-05 06:08 PM |
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If the progressive movement can't win the ear of... |
Telly Savalas |
Oct-06-05 10:01 PM |
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Reach for your copy of Hoawrd Zinns's History of the American |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-06-05 11:00 PM |
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Telly, you make perfect sense |
The Sushi Bandit |
Oct-07-05 01:22 AM |
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Maybe, but the BIGGEST problem with 3rd Parties... |
Montauk6 |
Oct-06-05 11:53 PM |
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Wow, someone finally get's it.................. |
Cappadonna |
Oct-07-05 04:33 PM |
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Let the Repubs split in half (fundies vs. true conservatives) first |
dback |
Oct-07-05 01:58 AM |
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How strong can our party be? |
Savannah Progressive |
Oct-07-05 04:29 AM |
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Good idea, like the greens. |
bowens43 |
Oct-07-05 04:38 AM |
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PDA Needs Sustainers |
corbett |
Oct-07-05 08:58 PM |
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Sounds a lot like the Green's platform |
Lone_Wolf |
Oct-08-05 03:54 PM |
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