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Mon Sep-26-05 02:40 PM
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| 124. Oh yes...That is what drives me nuts about the party |
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leadership. They will screw over any candidate that does not fit some narrow definition of what they think a candidate should be.
Cannot be young
Cannot be a woman
Cannot speak the truth
Cannot do anything but what they say
Cannot have a grassroots no money campaign
Dean was like a breath of fresh air but that scares the shit out of Washington.
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| -12/09/03- Al Gore Endorses Howard Dean for Democratic Pres. Nomination |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 08:38 PM |
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Democratic primary voters knew better. nt |
tritsofme |
Sep-25-05 08:48 PM |
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Apparently, they didn't. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 08:49 PM |
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That was awful. |
Clarkie1 |
Sep-25-05 08:51 PM |
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Of course it was his role. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 08:54 PM |
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That endorsement will be used against him. |
Clarkie1 |
Sep-25-05 09:57 PM |
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I think Dean's integrity is pretty well intact, and he's been vindicated, |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:59 PM |
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It will hurt him tremendously with swing voters in the general election. |
Clarkie1 |
Sep-25-05 11:43 PM |
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And why is Clinton getting off scott free here. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:26 AM |
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No, I strongly disagree with that. A Dean-Gore alliance will be read |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:33 AM |
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How so? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Sep-26-05 12:40 AM |
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Then Clinton should not have worked behind scenes for Clark. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:21 AM |
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I didn't know that about Clinton and Clark |
FreedomAngel82 |
Sep-26-05 12:43 AM |
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Well, I would have left it alone, but some keep pushing. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:05 AM |
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If you didn't know about it....it's because it wasn't |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:23 AM |
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No, that is really not what we are talking about. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:41 AM |
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Sure, remind me of another political miscalculation on his part. |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 08:51 PM |
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how did it hurt Gore? |
greenman3610 |
Sep-25-05 08:54 PM |
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Dean was not the only anti-war candidate for one thing. |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 09:12 PM |
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I don't think that in December of 2003, Gore was trying to capture |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:16 PM |
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Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 09:33 PM |
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I don't remember anything like that. Links? |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:56 PM |
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No- not in the long run. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 08:54 PM |
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So it was a calculated move to capture Dean supporters for 2008? |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 09:15 PM |
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No. Actually, what he was doing is usually called "protecting one's |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:18 PM |
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Calculated move-long term thinking? |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 09:28 PM |
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It's hard to believe that Gore speaking up for what is right... |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:37 PM |
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Well, maybe this time, Dean will repay the favor and endorce Gore. |
KaryninMiami |
Sep-25-05 09:02 PM |
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I don't think he can, because of his DNC Chairmanship. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:06 PM |
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Well, maybe this time, Dean will repay the favor and endorce Gore. |
KaryninMiami |
Sep-25-05 09:02 PM |
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He should have backed Edwards... |
nickshepDEM |
Sep-25-05 09:06 PM |
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Lemme get this straight, Gore endorsed Dean, who didn't win the nomination |
AlGore-08.com |
Sep-25-05 09:28 PM |
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Yeah, I worded that awfully. |
nickshepDEM |
Sep-25-05 09:36 PM |
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Both right then... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Sep-25-05 09:10 PM |
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Yes he did know, and once again hindsight proves him correct |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Sep-25-05 09:18 PM |
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I don't think there will be any more wooden stakes from the media, |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:21 PM |
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If there aren't, it won't be because they have stopped whittling them |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Sep-25-05 09:27 PM |
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No better duo than Al Gore and Howard Dean for 2008. |
shance |
Sep-25-05 09:30 PM |
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Yeah, kind of brings back memories... |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-25-05 11:27 PM |
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And look how much it helped Dean in the Primaries.... |
zulchzulu |
Sep-25-05 11:31 PM |
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Bullshit. Dean flunked the primaries because the media |
montana500 |
Sep-25-05 11:35 PM |
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Here we go again... |
zulchzulu |
Sep-25-05 11:40 PM |
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What happenned in Iowa? |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Sep-26-05 12:17 AM |
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Indeed, that was part of it. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:25 AM |
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Pure drivel. |
nvliberal |
Sep-26-05 01:01 AM |
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No one, no one is saying Dean did not hurt himself there as well. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:08 AM |
#73 |
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Oh yes...That is what drives me nuts about the party |
dorktv |
Sep-26-05 02:40 PM |
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agree. If the scream had never happened... |
bee |
Sep-26-05 10:35 AM |
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That endorsement should not have happened... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-25-05 11:53 PM |
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Gore endorsed who he felt was the best candidate. What's wrong with that? |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Sep-26-05 12:19 AM |
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Again, I realize that Dean supporters didn't have a problem with it.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:39 AM |
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No, I had a problem with the behind the scenes machinations. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:44 AM |
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Clinton worked behind the scenes for Clark...what's the difference. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:23 AM |
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The difference is miles apart.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:30 AM |
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No, Clinton's involvement was proven. Carter was told to butt out. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:37 AM |
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Clinton never said that he he supported Clark publicly |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:44 AM |
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It would have been far better to do it publicly. It was sneaky. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:48 AM |
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Please provide definite sources on this or |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:52 AM |
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Here is the source. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:01 AM |
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sure, provide a link to the Charley Rose transcripts..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:14 AM |
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It would have been more honest to endorse. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:18 AM |
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Why would it have been more honest to endorse? |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:28 AM |
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Here is the pertinent part of the transcript..... |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:38 AM |
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Sorry, I don't see any problems here..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:57 AM |
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Wow, can you ever make a silk purse out of sow's ears. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 02:04 AM |
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Well "they" is not me |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:16 AM |
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Yikes! Ouch. Not articulated. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:09 AM |
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Exactly, his own words. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 02:12 AM |
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Jimmie Carter asked him to run...so did 70,000 of us.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:23 AM |
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He did not mention grassroots...he said insiders asked him.. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 02:27 AM |
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I ain't blasting Dean |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:33 AM |
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This part. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 10:22 AM |
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Breaux, Rangel and Lincoln, eh? I see. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:42 AM |
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Is there anything wrong with Charlie Rangel? |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:46 AM |
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So, you're saying that it was appropriate for Carter to say that Clark |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:53 AM |
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The only way Clinton "worked behind the scenes" for Clark |
nvliberal |
Sep-26-05 12:55 AM |
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See my post above. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:02 AM |
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Gore knew he was right, though... |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:26 AM |
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You see, I find this problematic.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:34 AM |
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What happened in Iowa was a sham. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:39 AM |
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What? |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:40 AM |
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Stop acting like that was all there was to it. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:43 AM |
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I'm not gonna argue with you madfloridian.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:49 AM |
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This has nothing to do with my feelings about anyone. It is about truth. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:03 AM |
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It's about YOUR TRUTH... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:06 AM |
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I posted my source above. Please read it. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:11 AM |
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In case you missed it above...here it is. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:12 AM |
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Dean's book about heresy is not a sourced quote |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:17 AM |
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You just don't give up. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:19 AM |
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Do you mean hearsay? Oh, come on. He told the truth. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:22 AM |
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He told the truth about what he was told =" hearsay" |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:52 AM |
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Clark was always put out as the Anti-Dean. Remember that. |
Crazy Guggenheim |
Sep-26-05 01:24 AM |
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Are you saying Dean is a heretic? nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:56 AM |
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Howard Dean was the strongest voice against the Iraq War, |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:45 AM |
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I understand what you are saying..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:04 AM |
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Well, it seemed like the bases, though, for Dean's and Gore's oppositions |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:42 AM |
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We're doing good, you and I.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:08 AM |
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Well, I can only repeat what I've said before... |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:28 AM |
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I understand your view of it..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:43 AM |
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I think it just comes down to those who sided with the party insiders |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:59 AM |
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I certainly hope that you're not trying to suggest |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-26-05 06:57 AM |
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Obviously, we simply need to do away with primaries |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-26-05 06:44 AM |
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Yep |
killbotfactory |
Sep-26-05 12:37 AM |
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This was the turning point. The party said no to them. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:41 AM |
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We got 'em, this time. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:52 AM |
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I was absolutely furious at Gore |
nvliberal |
Sep-26-05 12:51 AM |
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Yeah. Thank God Dean didn't win the nomination. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:54 AM |
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You're forgetting. |
nvliberal |
Sep-26-05 01:04 AM |
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According to who? |
Crazy Guggenheim |
Sep-26-05 01:06 AM |
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Seeing as Dean couldn't even hack it in the primaries |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 01:31 AM |
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Kerry did not do so well either. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:35 AM |
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Explain to me what Kerry has to do with anything |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 01:41 AM |
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I will if you tell me why your insults to Dean right now are pertinent. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:46 AM |
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He doesn't understand the difference between a primary and a GE, |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:59 AM |
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Oh, I see, I'm not allowed to join a discussion about Dean's merits |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 02:17 AM |
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I love my husband, I respect Dean. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 02:20 AM |
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No, it's criticism. Not insults. |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 02:39 AM |
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WHAT? You mean, all of the other candidates shouldn't have been |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:51 AM |
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Oh, cut the "media" argument crap. |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 02:12 AM |
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There are a lot of lies in that post. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:39 AM |
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You have such an elaborate fantasy constructed |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 03:30 AM |
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Holy shit. If I hadn't seen those two particular statements passed around |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 03:57 AM |
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Pardon my French, but that's a pile of bullshit. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:43 AM |
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The Gore endoresemnt of Dean will give Gore unprecedented access |
Larkspur |
Sep-26-05 07:53 AM |
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Name calling doesn't help your case..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:56 PM |
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Speaking at a Republican fundraiser in 2001 and 2 years later |
Larkspur |
Sep-26-05 03:04 PM |
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You don't even know what a real Democrat is...... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 04:06 PM |
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Gore didn't know, he was being a politician and mistakenly |
second edition |
Sep-26-05 11:52 AM |
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Locking |
Moderator |
Sep-26-05 05:03 PM |
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