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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:57 AM
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94. Sorry, I don't see any problems here.....
Carter asked Clark to did others.

They wanted to win against Bush (although you want to equate it as them not wanting Dean to win). It's not that Clark had anything "against" Howard was just his feeling and 75% of other democrats that thought Dean wouldn't be able to win the general election...which is what counts after all.

The great thing about this transcript is that it shows that Clark ran...not because of some maniacal wish to be President...but because he wanted to make sure that Republicans didn't continue holding power. That's commendable! Thanks!
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  -12/09/03- Al Gore Endorses Howard Dean for Democratic Pres. Nomination BullGooseLoony  Sep-25-05 08:38 PM   #0 
  - Democratic primary voters knew better. nt  tritsofme   Sep-25-05 08:48 PM   #1 
  - Apparently, they didn't. nt  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 08:49 PM   #2 
  - That was awful.  Clarkie1   Sep-25-05 08:51 PM   #3 
  - Of course it was his role.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 08:54 PM   #5 
  - That endorsement will be used against him.  Clarkie1   Sep-25-05 09:57 PM   #27 
     - I think Dean's integrity is pretty well intact, and he's been vindicated,  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 09:59 PM   #28 
     - It will hurt him tremendously with swing voters in the general election.  Clarkie1   Sep-25-05 11:43 PM   #33 
        - And why is Clinton getting off scott free here.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:26 AM   #41 
        - No, I strongly disagree with that. A Dean-Gore alliance will be read  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 12:33 AM   #43 
     - How so?  FreedomAngel82   Sep-26-05 12:40 AM   #50 
  - Then Clinton should not have worked behind scenes for Clark.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:21 AM   #37 
     - I didn't know that about Clinton and Clark  FreedomAngel82   Sep-26-05 12:43 AM   #52 
        - Well, I would have left it alone, but some keep pushing.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:05 AM   #70 
        - If you didn't know about's because it wasn't  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 01:23 AM   #81 
           - No, that is really not what we are talking about.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:41 AM   #88 
  - Sure, remind me of another political miscalculation on his part.  dogman   Sep-25-05 08:51 PM   #4 
  - how did it hurt Gore?  greenman3610   Sep-25-05 08:54 PM   #6 
  - Dean was not the only anti-war candidate for one thing.  dogman   Sep-25-05 09:12 PM   #13 
     - I don't think that in December of 2003, Gore was trying to capture  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 09:16 PM   #15 
        - Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  dogman   Sep-25-05 09:33 PM   #23 
           - I don't remember anything like that. Links?  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 09:56 PM   #26 
  - No- not in the long run.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 08:54 PM   #7 
     - So it was a calculated move to capture Dean supporters for 2008?  dogman   Sep-25-05 09:15 PM   #14 
        - No. Actually, what he was doing is usually called "protecting one's  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 09:18 PM   #17 
           - Calculated move-long term thinking?  dogman   Sep-25-05 09:28 PM   #21 
              - It's hard to believe that Gore speaking up for what is right...  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 09:37 PM   #25 
  - Well, maybe this time, Dean will repay the favor and endorce Gore.  KaryninMiami   Sep-25-05 09:02 PM   #8 
  - I don't think he can, because of his DNC Chairmanship.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 09:06 PM   #10 
  - Well, maybe this time, Dean will repay the favor and endorce Gore.  KaryninMiami   Sep-25-05 09:02 PM   #9 
  - He should have backed Edwards...  nickshepDEM   Sep-25-05 09:06 PM   #11 
  - Lemme get this straight, Gore endorsed Dean, who didn't win the nomination   Sep-25-05 09:28 PM   #20 
     - Yeah, I worded that awfully.  nickshepDEM   Sep-25-05 09:36 PM   #24 
  - Both right then...  Davis_X_Machina   Sep-25-05 09:10 PM   #12 
  - Yes he did know, and once again hindsight proves him correct  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Sep-25-05 09:18 PM   #16 
  - I don't think there will be any more wooden stakes from the media,  BullGooseLoony   Sep-25-05 09:21 PM   #18 
     - If there aren't, it won't be because they have stopped whittling them  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Sep-25-05 09:27 PM   #19 
  - No better duo than Al Gore and Howard Dean for 2008.  shance   Sep-25-05 09:30 PM   #22 
  - Yeah, kind of brings back memories...  Crunchy Frog   Sep-25-05 11:27 PM   #29 
  - And look how much it helped Dean in the Primaries....  zulchzulu   Sep-25-05 11:31 PM   #30 
  - Bullshit. Dean flunked the primaries because the media  montana500   Sep-25-05 11:35 PM   #31 
     - Here we go again...  zulchzulu   Sep-25-05 11:40 PM   #32 
     - What happenned in Iowa?  AntiCoup2K4   Sep-26-05 12:17 AM   #35 
        - Indeed, that was part of it.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:25 AM   #39 
     - Pure drivel.  nvliberal   Sep-26-05 01:01 AM   #64 
     - No one, no one is saying Dean did not hurt himself there as well.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:08 AM   #73 
        - Oh yes...That is what drives me nuts about the party  dorktv   Sep-26-05 02:40 PM   #124 
     - agree. If the scream had never happened...  bee   Sep-26-05 10:35 AM   #122 
  - That endorsement should not have happened...  FrenchieCat   Sep-25-05 11:53 PM   #34 
  - Gore endorsed who he felt was the best candidate. What's wrong with that?  AntiCoup2K4   Sep-26-05 12:19 AM   #36 
  - Again, I realize that Dean supporters didn't have a problem with it....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 12:39 AM   #48 
     - No, I had a problem with the behind the scenes machinations.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:44 AM   #55 
  - Clinton worked behind the scenes for Clark...what's the difference.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:23 AM   #38 
  - The difference is miles apart....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 12:30 AM   #42 
  - No, Clinton's involvement was proven. Carter was told to butt out.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:37 AM   #45 
     - Clinton never said that he he supported Clark publicly  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 12:44 AM   #54 
        - It would have been far better to do it publicly. It was sneaky.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:48 AM   #57 
           - Please provide definite sources on this or  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 12:52 AM   #60 
              - Here is the source.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:01 AM   #65 
                 - sure, provide a link to the Charley Rose transcripts.....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 01:14 AM   #76 
                    - It would have been more honest to endorse.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:18 AM   #78 
                    - Why would it have been more honest to endorse?  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 01:28 AM   #83 
                    - Here is the pertinent part of the transcript.....  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:38 AM   #86 
                       - Sorry, I don't see any problems here.....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 01:57 AM   #94 
                       - Wow, can you ever make a silk purse out of sow's ears.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 02:04 AM   #96 
                          - Well "they" is not me  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 02:16 AM   #101 
                       - Yikes! Ouch. Not articulated.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 02:09 AM   #98 
                          - Exactly, his own words.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 02:12 AM   #99 
                          - Jimmie Carter asked him to did 70,000 of us....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 02:23 AM   #104 
                             - He did not mention grassroots...he said insiders asked him..  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 02:27 AM   #105 
                             - I ain't blasting Dean  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 02:33 AM   #107 
                                - This part.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 10:22 AM   #121 
                             - Breaux, Rangel and Lincoln, eh? I see. nt  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 02:42 AM   #110 
                                - Is there anything wrong with Charlie Rangel?  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 02:46 AM   #112 
                                   - So, you're saying that it was appropriate for Carter to say that Clark  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 02:53 AM   #114 
  - The only way Clinton "worked behind the scenes" for Clark  nvliberal   Sep-26-05 12:55 AM   #63 
     - See my post above.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:02 AM   #66 
  - Gore knew he was right, though...  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 12:26 AM   #40 
     - You see, I find this problematic....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 12:34 AM   #44 
        - What happened in Iowa was a sham.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:39 AM   #47 
        - What?  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 12:40 AM   #49 
           - Stop acting like that was all there was to it.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:43 AM   #53 
              - I'm not gonna argue with you madfloridian....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 12:49 AM   #58 
                 - This has nothing to do with my feelings about anyone. It is about truth.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:03 AM   #67 
                    - It's about YOUR TRUTH...  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 01:06 AM   #72 
                       - I posted my source above. Please read it.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:11 AM   #74 
                       - In case you missed it it is.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:12 AM   #75 
                          - Dean's book about heresy is not a sourced quote  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 01:17 AM   #77 
                             - You just don't give up.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:19 AM   #79 
                             - Do you mean hearsay? Oh, come on. He told the truth.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:22 AM   #80 
                             - He told the truth about what he was told =" hearsay"  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 02:52 AM   #113 
                             - Clark was always put out as the Anti-Dean. Remember that.  Crazy Guggenheim   Sep-26-05 01:24 AM   #82 
                             - Are you saying Dean is a heretic? nt  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 01:56 AM   #93 
        - Howard Dean was the strongest voice against the Iraq War,  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 12:45 AM   #56 
        - I understand what you are saying.....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 01:04 AM   #68 
           - Well, it seemed like the bases, though, for Dean's and Gore's oppositions  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 01:42 AM   #89 
              - We're doing good, you and I....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 02:08 AM   #97 
                 - Well, I can only repeat what I've said before...  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 02:28 AM   #106 
                    - I understand your view of it.....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 02:43 AM   #111 
                       - I think it just comes down to those who sided with the party insiders  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 02:59 AM   #115 
                          - I certainly hope that you're not trying to suggest  Crunchy Frog   Sep-26-05 06:57 AM   #119 
        - Obviously, we simply need to do away with primaries  Crunchy Frog   Sep-26-05 06:44 AM   #118 
  - Yep  killbotfactory   Sep-26-05 12:37 AM   #46 
  - This was the turning point. The party said no to them.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 12:41 AM   #51 
  - We got 'em, this time.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 12:52 AM   #61 
  - I was absolutely furious at Gore  nvliberal   Sep-26-05 12:51 AM   #59 
  - Yeah. Thank God Dean didn't win the nomination.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 12:54 AM   #62 
     - You're forgetting.  nvliberal   Sep-26-05 01:04 AM   #69 
        - According to who?  Crazy Guggenheim   Sep-26-05 01:06 AM   #71 
        - Seeing as Dean couldn't even hack it in the primaries  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-26-05 01:31 AM   #84 
        - Kerry did not do so well either.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:35 AM   #85 
        - Explain to me what Kerry has to do with anything  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-26-05 01:41 AM   #87 
           - I will if you tell me why your insults to Dean right now are pertinent.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 01:46 AM   #91 
              - He doesn't understand the difference between a primary and a GE,  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 01:59 AM   #95 
              - Oh, I see, I'm not allowed to join a discussion about Dean's merits  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-26-05 02:17 AM   #102 
                 - I love my husband, I respect Dean.  madfloridian   Sep-26-05 02:20 AM   #103 
                    - No, it's criticism. Not insults.  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-26-05 02:39 AM   #109 
        - WHAT? You mean, all of the other candidates shouldn't have been  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 01:51 AM   #92 
           - Oh, cut the "media" argument crap.  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-26-05 02:12 AM   #100 
              - There are a lot of lies in that post.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 02:39 AM   #108 
                 - You have such an elaborate fantasy constructed  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-26-05 03:30 AM   #116 
                    - Holy shit. If I hadn't seen those two particular statements passed around  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 03:57 AM   #117 
        - Pardon my French, but that's a pile of bullshit.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-26-05 01:43 AM   #90 
  - The Gore endoresemnt of Dean will give Gore unprecedented access  Larkspur   Sep-26-05 07:53 AM   #120 
  - Name calling doesn't help your case.....  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 02:56 PM   #125 
     - Speaking at a Republican fundraiser in 2001 and 2 years later  Larkspur   Sep-26-05 03:04 PM   #126 
        - You don't even know what a real Democrat is......  FrenchieCat   Sep-26-05 04:06 PM   #127 
  - Gore didn't know, he was being a politician and mistakenly  second edition   Sep-26-05 11:52 AM   #123 
  - Locking  Moderator   Sep-26-05 05:03 PM   #128 

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