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Mon Sep-26-05 01:28 AM
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| 83. Why would it have been more honest to endorse? |
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Because you say so?
It would have been better to respect the primary process, IMO.
Whatever Clinton did, and I don't really know what he did, obviously didn't become public to Jane and John Voter public...which is what an endorsement does, and why endorsements are so coveted.
You are defining things here to suit your scenarios...however, your definitions don't add up.
Being honest about making a phone call does not an endorsement make.
Endorsements have a value based on what they can do for the candidate. A whispered phone call ain't even close.
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| -12/09/03- Al Gore Endorses Howard Dean for Democratic Pres. Nomination |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 08:38 PM |
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Democratic primary voters knew better. nt |
tritsofme |
Sep-25-05 08:48 PM |
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Apparently, they didn't. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 08:49 PM |
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That was awful. |
Clarkie1 |
Sep-25-05 08:51 PM |
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Of course it was his role. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 08:54 PM |
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That endorsement will be used against him. |
Clarkie1 |
Sep-25-05 09:57 PM |
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I think Dean's integrity is pretty well intact, and he's been vindicated, |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:59 PM |
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It will hurt him tremendously with swing voters in the general election. |
Clarkie1 |
Sep-25-05 11:43 PM |
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And why is Clinton getting off scott free here. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:26 AM |
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No, I strongly disagree with that. A Dean-Gore alliance will be read |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:33 AM |
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How so? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Sep-26-05 12:40 AM |
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Then Clinton should not have worked behind scenes for Clark. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:21 AM |
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I didn't know that about Clinton and Clark |
FreedomAngel82 |
Sep-26-05 12:43 AM |
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Well, I would have left it alone, but some keep pushing. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:05 AM |
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If you didn't know about it....it's because it wasn't |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:23 AM |
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No, that is really not what we are talking about. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:41 AM |
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Sure, remind me of another political miscalculation on his part. |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 08:51 PM |
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how did it hurt Gore? |
greenman3610 |
Sep-25-05 08:54 PM |
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Dean was not the only anti-war candidate for one thing. |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 09:12 PM |
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I don't think that in December of 2003, Gore was trying to capture |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:16 PM |
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Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 09:33 PM |
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I don't remember anything like that. Links? |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:56 PM |
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No- not in the long run. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 08:54 PM |
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So it was a calculated move to capture Dean supporters for 2008? |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 09:15 PM |
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No. Actually, what he was doing is usually called "protecting one's |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:18 PM |
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Calculated move-long term thinking? |
dogman |
Sep-25-05 09:28 PM |
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It's hard to believe that Gore speaking up for what is right... |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:37 PM |
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Well, maybe this time, Dean will repay the favor and endorce Gore. |
KaryninMiami |
Sep-25-05 09:02 PM |
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I don't think he can, because of his DNC Chairmanship. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:06 PM |
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Well, maybe this time, Dean will repay the favor and endorce Gore. |
KaryninMiami |
Sep-25-05 09:02 PM |
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He should have backed Edwards... |
nickshepDEM |
Sep-25-05 09:06 PM |
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Lemme get this straight, Gore endorsed Dean, who didn't win the nomination |
AlGore-08.com |
Sep-25-05 09:28 PM |
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Yeah, I worded that awfully. |
nickshepDEM |
Sep-25-05 09:36 PM |
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Both right then... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Sep-25-05 09:10 PM |
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Yes he did know, and once again hindsight proves him correct |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Sep-25-05 09:18 PM |
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I don't think there will be any more wooden stakes from the media, |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-25-05 09:21 PM |
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If there aren't, it won't be because they have stopped whittling them |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Sep-25-05 09:27 PM |
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No better duo than Al Gore and Howard Dean for 2008. |
shance |
Sep-25-05 09:30 PM |
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Yeah, kind of brings back memories... |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-25-05 11:27 PM |
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And look how much it helped Dean in the Primaries.... |
zulchzulu |
Sep-25-05 11:31 PM |
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Bullshit. Dean flunked the primaries because the media |
montana500 |
Sep-25-05 11:35 PM |
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Here we go again... |
zulchzulu |
Sep-25-05 11:40 PM |
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What happenned in Iowa? |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Sep-26-05 12:17 AM |
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Indeed, that was part of it. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:25 AM |
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Pure drivel. |
nvliberal |
Sep-26-05 01:01 AM |
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No one, no one is saying Dean did not hurt himself there as well. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:08 AM |
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Oh yes...That is what drives me nuts about the party |
dorktv |
Sep-26-05 02:40 PM |
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agree. If the scream had never happened... |
bee |
Sep-26-05 10:35 AM |
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That endorsement should not have happened... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-25-05 11:53 PM |
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Gore endorsed who he felt was the best candidate. What's wrong with that? |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Sep-26-05 12:19 AM |
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Again, I realize that Dean supporters didn't have a problem with it.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:39 AM |
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No, I had a problem with the behind the scenes machinations. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:44 AM |
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Clinton worked behind the scenes for Clark...what's the difference. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:23 AM |
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The difference is miles apart.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:30 AM |
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No, Clinton's involvement was proven. Carter was told to butt out. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:37 AM |
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Clinton never said that he he supported Clark publicly |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:44 AM |
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It would have been far better to do it publicly. It was sneaky. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:48 AM |
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Please provide definite sources on this or |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:52 AM |
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Here is the source. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:01 AM |
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sure, provide a link to the Charley Rose transcripts..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:14 AM |
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It would have been more honest to endorse. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:18 AM |
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Why would it have been more honest to endorse? |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:28 AM |
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Here is the pertinent part of the transcript..... |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:38 AM |
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Sorry, I don't see any problems here..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:57 AM |
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Wow, can you ever make a silk purse out of sow's ears. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 02:04 AM |
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Well "they" is not me |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:16 AM |
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Yikes! Ouch. Not articulated. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:09 AM |
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Exactly, his own words. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 02:12 AM |
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Jimmie Carter asked him to run...so did 70,000 of us.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:23 AM |
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He did not mention grassroots...he said insiders asked him.. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 02:27 AM |
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I ain't blasting Dean |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:33 AM |
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This part. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 10:22 AM |
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Breaux, Rangel and Lincoln, eh? I see. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:42 AM |
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Is there anything wrong with Charlie Rangel? |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:46 AM |
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So, you're saying that it was appropriate for Carter to say that Clark |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:53 AM |
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The only way Clinton "worked behind the scenes" for Clark |
nvliberal |
Sep-26-05 12:55 AM |
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See my post above. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:02 AM |
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Gore knew he was right, though... |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:26 AM |
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You see, I find this problematic.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:34 AM |
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What happened in Iowa was a sham. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:39 AM |
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What? |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:40 AM |
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Stop acting like that was all there was to it. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:43 AM |
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I'm not gonna argue with you madfloridian.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 12:49 AM |
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This has nothing to do with my feelings about anyone. It is about truth. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:03 AM |
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It's about YOUR TRUTH... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:06 AM |
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I posted my source above. Please read it. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:11 AM |
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In case you missed it above...here it is. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:12 AM |
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Dean's book about heresy is not a sourced quote |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:17 AM |
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You just don't give up. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:19 AM |
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Do you mean hearsay? Oh, come on. He told the truth. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:22 AM |
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He told the truth about what he was told =" hearsay" |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:52 AM |
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Clark was always put out as the Anti-Dean. Remember that. |
Crazy Guggenheim |
Sep-26-05 01:24 AM |
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Are you saying Dean is a heretic? nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:56 AM |
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Howard Dean was the strongest voice against the Iraq War, |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:45 AM |
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I understand what you are saying..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 01:04 AM |
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Well, it seemed like the bases, though, for Dean's and Gore's oppositions |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:42 AM |
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We're doing good, you and I.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:08 AM |
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Well, I can only repeat what I've said before... |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:28 AM |
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I understand your view of it..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:43 AM |
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I think it just comes down to those who sided with the party insiders |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:59 AM |
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I certainly hope that you're not trying to suggest |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-26-05 06:57 AM |
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Obviously, we simply need to do away with primaries |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-26-05 06:44 AM |
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Yep |
killbotfactory |
Sep-26-05 12:37 AM |
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This was the turning point. The party said no to them. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 12:41 AM |
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We got 'em, this time. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:52 AM |
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I was absolutely furious at Gore |
nvliberal |
Sep-26-05 12:51 AM |
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Yeah. Thank God Dean didn't win the nomination. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 12:54 AM |
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You're forgetting. |
nvliberal |
Sep-26-05 01:04 AM |
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According to who? |
Crazy Guggenheim |
Sep-26-05 01:06 AM |
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Seeing as Dean couldn't even hack it in the primaries |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 01:31 AM |
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Kerry did not do so well either. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:35 AM |
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Explain to me what Kerry has to do with anything |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 01:41 AM |
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I will if you tell me why your insults to Dean right now are pertinent. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 01:46 AM |
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He doesn't understand the difference between a primary and a GE, |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:59 AM |
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Oh, I see, I'm not allowed to join a discussion about Dean's merits |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 02:17 AM |
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I love my husband, I respect Dean. |
madfloridian |
Sep-26-05 02:20 AM |
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No, it's criticism. Not insults. |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 02:39 AM |
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WHAT? You mean, all of the other candidates shouldn't have been |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:51 AM |
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Oh, cut the "media" argument crap. |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 02:12 AM |
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There are a lot of lies in that post. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 02:39 AM |
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You have such an elaborate fantasy constructed |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-05 03:30 AM |
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Holy shit. If I hadn't seen those two particular statements passed around |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 03:57 AM |
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Pardon my French, but that's a pile of bullshit. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-26-05 01:43 AM |
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The Gore endoresemnt of Dean will give Gore unprecedented access |
Larkspur |
Sep-26-05 07:53 AM |
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Name calling doesn't help your case..... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 02:56 PM |
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Speaking at a Republican fundraiser in 2001 and 2 years later |
Larkspur |
Sep-26-05 03:04 PM |
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You don't even know what a real Democrat is...... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-26-05 04:06 PM |
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Gore didn't know, he was being a politician and mistakenly |
second edition |
Sep-26-05 11:52 AM |
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Locking |
Moderator |
Sep-26-05 05:03 PM |
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